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George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« on: March 01, 2008, 01:31:17 PM »
Here is a George VI 1 Rupee from my collection. As in the case of 1/4 and 1/2 Rupee coins, the silver content was reduced from 0.917 to 0.500 in 1940.



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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 06:31:24 PM »
Bombay mint. This design is superb. The coin has obviously seen heavy circulation, yet all details (except the eyebrow) are there.

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 06:01:23 PM »
The following is from Oesho:

Adain pointed out, with the above subject, the rarity of the 1939 issue. I
have attached an image of the 1939 rupee of George VI, Bombay mint from my
collection, which could be added to that page.

Rupees of the British Indian series are often found with countermarks
attributed to localities in the Middle East and East Africa. Those are
mostly applied on coins of Queen Victoria and earlier issues. On British
Indian coins of the post Victoria era countermarks are very seldom found.
Attached you find two countermarked rupees of George VI.
A) Rupee George VI, 1941 Bombay mint, c/m A.G.A.H./1943 (Provisional
Government Azad Hind / 1943). Azad Hind (Free India) was a movement founded
by Subhas Chandra Bose. The c/m was first published in the Numismatic Digest
vol. V - part I (1981). More recent an example of it is published in the
book Indian Tokens: Popular Religious & Secular Art from Ancient period to
the present day, by Michael Mitchiner (London 1998)

B) Rupee George VI, 1942 Bombay mint, c/m RAM in Hindi. RAM probably refers
to Rama, the hero from the Ramayana. Rama represents an ideal man, as
conceived by the Hindu mind. In the story of Ramayana, Rama's personality
depicts him as the perfect son, devoted brother, true husband, trusted
friend, ideal king, and a noble adversary. One can only guess why this
countermark has been applied on the effigy of George VI or would he also
posses the same virtues as RAM.

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 06:10:31 PM »
The counter stamped coins are quite interesting and leads me to ask the following:
1. Were they done "leagally"?  Isn't it against the rules of most counties (and in this case, colony) to alter official coinage?
2. Was the Chandra Bose counterstamp a piece of underground protest and political propaganda?
3.  Could the "Ram" counterstamp have been made to render the coin "fit" as a temple token?
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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 08:33:21 PM »
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arzi_Hukumate_Azad_Hind
Azad Hind was a government in exile and tried to set a up a new administration. Postal stamps were printed, but presumably not issued. The counter-stamping of the British Indian rupees, was not only an economic move but also propaganda. However not many of these coins have survived and less than half a dozen are only known.
When and where the countermark RAM has been applied, is absolutely not known. It can be done by anyone and at anytime. Political propaganda, religious memento, everything is possible. Only thing I can say that, as I haven't seen any other specimen so far, the use of this countermark must have been very limited.

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 10:50:55 PM »
Here goes a few more coins on my want list. I presume these are now impossible to find, though. I have a comparable set of countermarks from Ireland that I'll show on the forum. In their case, it was Irish policy to withdraw "damaged" coins. Therefore, countermarking was not just propaganda, but also economic warfare. This may also have motivated the Indian countermarkers.

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 11:30:53 PM »
I have such limited experience with countermarking. I'd love to see the Irish coins!
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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 08:01:52 PM »
And today I saw two one rupee of post 1940 with most likely cancellation mark. But I cannot figure out the cause of those  cancellation. The coins are cissled accross twice (like a cross).

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 12:26:55 AM »
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arzi_Hukumate_Azad_Hind
Azad Hind was a government in exile and tried to set a up a new administration. Postal stamps were printed, but presumably not issued. The counter-stamping of the British Indian rupees, was not only an economic move but also propaganda. However not many of these coins have survived and less than half a dozen are only known.

I am indeed lucky to have one of this coin. Just see this thread for the image:


http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,8758.0.html

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 02:39:22 AM »
Counter-marking for propaganda is very interesting! Whenever I hear counter-marked coinage, the following article comes to my mind.

http://www.cointalk.com/t52528/
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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2015, 12:34:45 PM »

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2015, 01:16:37 PM »
Yes. It is 1000% fake. In 1939, George VI was the Ruler. So in no case, in 1939 George V coins can be there.

And why only George V? On ebay you can even find Victoria empress 1939 Coins.

And for your information, a genuine 1939 Rupee coin will not cost less that 2-3 Lac rupees today.

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2015, 01:19:01 PM »
What fun  :D

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »
Yes. It is 1000% fake. In 1939, George VI was the Ruler. So in no case, in 1939 George V coins can be there.

And why only George V? On ebay you can even find Victoria empress 1939 Coins.

And for your information, a genuine 1939 Rupee coin will not cost less that 2-3 Lac rupees today.

Abhay

Thanks Abhay, i could find this 1939 silver coin for 14,999/- and seems to be original.
could you please confirm if this is fake?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/India-1939-ONE-RUPEE-SILVER-COIN-KING-GEORGE-VI-SECURITY-EDGE-VARIETY-/111791293370?hash=item1a0747c3ba:g:n9EAAOSw9r1WBqve

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Re: George VI, 1 Rupee, 1940 (Bombay mint)
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2015, 02:05:37 PM »
Srinath, Absolutely FAKE!!!! No doubt.