Rupee 1939, genuine and less genuine

Started by Harry, January 13, 2012, 08:10:37 PM

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Shastri JC Philip

Dear Islam, thank you very much for your encouraging words and generous appreciation. I am thankful for it -- Shastri
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Shastri JC Philip

Dear akona20, kindly see my response to your last post in a new thread at:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,13305.msg91590.html#msg91590

[All Indian-coin lovers, kindly see my thread above as it affects all of you!!]
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Md. Shariful Islam

Quote from: Dr. Johnson C. Philip on January 18, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
Here is a 1989 coined with a tooled 8-->3 to make it a 1989 one rupee coin:

http://www.ebay.in/itm/British-India-1939-1-Rupee-Half-Rupee-1-4-Rupee-1Quarter-Anna-1-Anna-/150737226449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2318a38ad1


Compare the 3 in this coin with 3 on any BI Silver rupee of the same period, or even with date on the tooled fake coin posted in this thread. I am about to contact the seller.

-- Shastri

I am bit confused about the coin. The coin does not seem to me as cast. But definitely a fake. 3 of the 39 is not right. The coin has a reeded edge means the coin is either tooled from 1938 or I don't know. Reeded edge was available with only 1938 and 1939. If so, then only changing the last digit was enough. But in my observation the last three digits '939' have been changed. Part of persian 'Kaaf' and 'ra' has been erased while doing this. And '939' is not as fine and thin as they should have been. But the coin is made from a genuine one in my observation.

Islam

akona20

Mr dear Dr Philip,

Work completed by my group including the new research work can be linked into your site. However the major work is at present a work in progress and no one section has yet been completed so it must be recognised that it is at present a work in progress. I am hoping that the first section will be as complete as possible in a few months closely followed by the smaller second section (smaller because of a shorter reign). The delay was unfortunate but rather out of my control.

As discussed in a previous email I will be linking by notice to your site and utilising some of the works there on my site. Barry Tabor's Aspects of Pannar Coinage is one and the fake publications are two that will be used immediately. The Pannar coinage one forms a basis of further research ideas currently being started from certain unpublished works and will form an ideal as to form and substance of these other works. You have an email about these planned works.

It should also be noted that a number of these planned works are somewhat contoversial in their possible findings and they will be published for peer review before going to general publication. Information as I have suggested in a previous posts is the key to successful collecting (and selling) we just have to be as sure as possible that what is published is in fact correct or given history as correct as can be interpreted from a distance of time. That si why on one area of current research we have three separate historians looking at the problem. Being controversial in these matters can be viewed as being okay however if serious people are detracted from either contributing or reading work due to faulty content then any future work no matter of what quality will be ignored.

Shastri JC Philip

Quote from: akona20 (zoppo) on January 20, 2012, 09:10:17 PM
Mr dear Dr Philip,

Work completed by my group including the new research work can be linked into your site. However the major work is at present a work in progress and no one section has yet been completed so it must be recognised that it is at present a work in progress. I am hoping that the first section will be as complete as possible in a few months closely followed by the smaller second section (smaller because of a shorter reign). The delay was unfortunate but rather out of my control.

As discussed in a previous email I will be linking by notice to your site and utilising some of the works there on my site. Barry Tabor's Aspects of Pannar Coinage is one and the fake publications are two that will be used immediately. The Pannar coinage one forms a basis of further research ideas currently being started from certain unpublished works and will form an ideal as to form and substance of these other works. You have an email about these planned works.

It should also be noted that a number of these planned works are somewhat contoversial in their possible findings and they will be published for peer review before going to general publication. Information as I have suggested in a previous posts is the key to successful collecting (and selling) we just have to be as sure as possible that what is published is in fact correct or given history as correct as can be interpreted from a distance of time. That si why on one area of current research we have three separate historians looking at the problem. Being controversial in these matters can be viewed as being okay however if serious people are detracted from either contributing or reading work due to faulty content then any future work no matter of what quality will be ignored.



Yes, this is a great development. All of us need to work together for the sake of promoting numismatics. I am sure that 2012 will be a great year for all of us -- Shastri
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asm

Quote from: Abhay on January 16, 2012, 09:43:54 AM
I took the close up of the year 1939 with digital microscope. The image is enclosed.

The difference now can be seen very clearly between the original 9 and the fabricated 9.

Oesho, thanks a lot for pointing this out. I knew that the coin was fake, but I was always thinking that it has been made new. It never occured to me that this coin has been retooled from an original 1938 coin.

Abhay

I picked up this one for about Rs. 200 a few months back from outside the Lughiana Railway station from one of the many money changers (selling change) there.

Last Sunday, while photographing some other coins, I just clicked this one......... Seems the second 9 here is altered too......
"It Is Better To Light A Candle Than To Curse The Darkness"

Vivek

Here is mine.

I think Both the 9 are not same..

One more for reference.
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20326.html
Vivek

Abhay

And here is mine, taken with Microscope.

In this case too, the 9s are different.

So, in all probability, all the coins are genuine. It seems that the engraver was not careful while engraving 9s.

Abhay
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asm

Did you notice that the height of the 9's is different from that of the 1 & the 3............

Amit
"It Is Better To Light A Candle Than To Curse The Darkness"

Figleaf

It looks like the Arabic character underneath got in the way of the descender of the 9. The 8 in 1938 has a riser, not a descender.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Abhay

It seems that the craze for 1939 Rupee is increasing day by day. Ebay is full of Fake 1939 rupee coins, some recently cast ones, while some made by re-tooling the earlier original George VI rupee coins.

This particular coin, which is listed on Ebay, shows that the jeweler is very poorly skilled in re-tooling the dates.

Abhay
INVESTING IN YESTERDAY

Figleaf

So badly done it is a cartoon of a forgery. At least it made me laugh.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.