Yugoslavia: Sujetska

Started by Figleaf, December 16, 2011, 01:08:36 PM

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Figleaf

Just completed a very satisfactory trade with Natko, including this coin. An eBay seller is offering this type of coin at $150. KM says $6 EF, $10 unc. What's going on here? Does anyone know?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

$and€r

Peter,

I bought this coin together with another as a set from the mint recently on "Marktplaats.nl" for a few euro's..

Sander 

Figleaf

Mind that there are two versions. This one does not have the lines that suggest the access road. The version with the road is common.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

ciscoins

Some sellers (who are not collectors themselves) just don't know the average prices. They think that each old coin (especially commemorative) is very expensive.

An I've found it for USD 4,40: http://molotok.ru/yugoslaviya-10-dinarov-1983-i2000584527.html
Ivan
Moscow, Russia

Figleaf

That is the version with road. See the lines on both sides of the word Sujetska.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

ciscoins

Ivan
Moscow, Russia

natko

Indeed, without road is very scarce. Of course, sometime you may have luck and just bash to it, where seller didn't pay attention, but it's not common at all. That' always the way to find rare variety in the bulk. While locally you can (or least could before) get those two commemoratives for 1 to 2 euro per piece, in proof for 5 euros, this variety wasn't below 15. 150 dollars is too much, but seller is aware that its scarcer than catalog would indicate. As local catalogs say. Of course, it's never hard to pay a bit more for a coin that took your heart at the moment :P

Another example is Karadjic Cu-Ni mule. I would pay 100 euros immediately for that piece, only one that I miss from Yugoslavia in top condition, except gold. Catalog gives it 35 dollars.

natko

Oh, a bit off topic...but as I mentioned it, now I found that mule of Karadjic (not the only mule though, but others are considered patterns) for 75 euros, quite less than expected actually. Whining does help. :D Now I've completed my Yugoslavian coins, by date, all in UNC to BU quality.

UNCs of just a bit tougher dates are also much more expensive than in catalog, easily go up for 5-6 euros.

Figleaf

Congratulations on completing the date set, Natko. What wil you do next?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

natko

I know question is rhetorical...but... ;D I collect also patterns of local coinage, which includes Yugoslavia. Many are not very expensive, but there is always something new to find. Didn't also complete silver proofs, miss two sets. Even if I didn't decide to collect the whole world would have more than enough material to collect locally, have to include Habsburg monarchy and Dubrovnik coinage is impossible to complete.

gerard974

Hello
After to have read this topic,i have seen in my swapp box for Jugoslavija and i have finded the coin without pathway, now i am happy because i have the two
Best regards  Gerard

Figleaf

Lucky find, Gérard!

No, it was not a rhetorical question. I don't know anyone who stopped collecting because a collecting mission was accomplished. In your case, I could imagine going back in time, adding tokens, collecting coins of Austria, the Ottoman empire or Venice, expanding your euro collection, adding banknotes, adding Roman coins from local mints or a combination of the above and there are more possibilities.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

natko

Actually, yes, I collect also tokens used as payment before WWII in Croatia. There are so many pieces and several books, but none is complete. Sometimes new one is discovered and it's thrilling. Some, as 4 kune telephone token from 1941 were used on entire territory of Croatia (which was also including today Bosnia&Herzegovina). Also, as they're generally not available so much, completion is impossible.

Anyway, on topic.

Both KM#96 and KM#97 were issued in proof quality (100K pieces) - Recent Croatian catalog - Viscevic (wasn't out at the moment of starting the topic), gives value of 10 euros for the set of two (it's in soft plastic set, like regular issue)
Ordinary values are 2 euros, without path 10 in XF, 15 in UNC. Completely fair price. Yet, sometime if you can't find it it goes up per wish of the buyers...

Catalog Mandic mentioned variety with "pine trees" between the rock of the monument, gave value of 50 euros if I remember correctly. It's actually brockage error - torches from coat of arms are seen mirrored on the other side!

You can read about battle of Sutjeska, one of the bloodiest battles in WWII on wiki. Also, battle on Neretva river.

This is the image of the monument from my trip to Montengrin mountains 2 years ago:

3301 people, whose bodies weren't found in the battles are given honors on this place.

It's huge concrete (stone-like) monument, just take a look at the pine-tree, left to decay and rarely visited. In socialist times free trips were organized on anniversaries and there were two hotels nearby, now, of course totally devastated by the recent war in those parts.


Globetrotter


Tirant

This one and the Neretva one are probably my two favorite yugoslav coins. I just checked mine, and it has the road lines. Seemingly, another day i won't become rich ;D