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Sumatra 1 Keping pattern 1787 ,KM#Pn1
« on: September 14, 2011, 09:57:04 PM »
I've searched through the Malay peninsular section but can't seem to find this date 1787 Sumatra for 1 keping  KM#257.1 it has a milled edge

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Re: Sumatra Keping KM#257.1 unlisted date? 1787
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 12:35:18 AM »
This copper coin (if not mistaken ) is very well struck & well preserved (inside your toffee tin box).

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Re: Sumatra Keping KM#257.1 unlisted date? 1787
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »
KM Pn1. Compare the rosette in the date and the spacing of the numbers of the date.

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Re: Sumatra Keping KM#257.1 unlisted date? 1787
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 10:48:06 AM »
It's a pattern then, didn't spot that earlier,  wonder why they issued dates 1786 & 8  but left out 1787?

I've redone the photo's in daylight,

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Re: Sumatra Keping KM#257.1 unlisted date? 1787
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 02:48:17 PM »
Finding more info about this coin it seems that it was made by Mathew Boulton, Soho ,Birmingham,

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When a need arose for copper coin, for trading with the natives at Benkoolen in Sumatra, the East India Company looked around for someone to provide this for them. The Royal Mint, having shown its usual degree of entrepreneurial interest, was soon dropped from consideration, and Boulton’s name was remembered.
What happened next was rather remarkable. Boulton got the order. There doesn’t appear to have been any formal, written, contract, and Boulton didn’t admit to having any coining machinery, though this now seems a little bit odd, as he had produced a series of coin weights, which have many of the characteristics of coins, from as early as 1775. He did, however, have the equipment to produce the blanks, and these were made in Soho, before being shipped to London. There, Boulton established a traditional hand-operated mint, paid for by the East India Company, and which produced eighteen tons of coins between August 1786 and the middle of May 1787. The East India Company was not pleased at the delay, but nonetheless awarded Boulton a second order for thirty tons in May 1787.

A photo of the coin in question dated 1786 appears in the article.    http://www.sohomint.info/earlyyears.html

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Re: Sumatra Keping KM#257.1 unlisted date? 1787
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 03:54:24 PM »
I think that answers your question. The first order are the coins dated 1786, the second order coins are dated 1788. Your 1787 coin was for administrative purposes: getting agreement from the EIC. Apparently, they wanted the lower part more spaced out.

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Re: Sumatra 1 Keping pattern 1787 ,KM#Pn1
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 04:23:43 PM »
I've searched through the Malay peninsular section but can't seem to find this date 1787 Sumatra for 1 keping  KM#257.1 it has a milled edge



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