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Mass=7.5 g

Obverse (I happier days, would have had) Large J flanked by dots in plain circle


Reverse Cross with dots in angles in plain circle

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 11:35:48 PM »
For me it seems both side are literally blank :-\ , may I ask you to share the trick when you bought the coin how you had identified at 1st instance without having any reference book in hand.

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 12:46:05 AM »
I don't have the KM for the 16th century, but I agree in a Bazaruco of Joao III from Goa. But as far as I know the large letter is usually a Y , which sometimes is crowned and sometimes with a small cross flanked by dots above it.
If the obverse would be as good as the reverse, it would be one of the better coins of this rare type.
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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 04:56:53 AM »
Thanks Afrasi. I don't have a specialized reference for these coins. Krause's old pre-1600 South Asia Catalogue, which I have, only records "Large J" for both crowned (mass reported 9.23 g) and uncrowned (7.70 g) varieties.

@aan09: The cross and a few of the dots in the angles are pretty clear on the coin itself. Unfortunately, the camera picks up a lot of unnecessary details on these coins, making the symbols hard to recognize.

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 11:14:21 AM »
Looking at the weight of your coin it should be minted between 1540 and 1542.

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 11:19:24 AM »
Thanks again, Afrasi.

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 06:21:00 PM »
Yes, it looks like a Y, but it is meant to be a Gothic J for Joćo. AFAIK the letter is always crowned. On smaller pieces, it may be uncrowned or the crown may be off the flan. I am attaching a scan from Gomes, who distinguishes only types with (Goa) and without (Diu) dots between the arms of the cross.

In this case, a smaller picture may have given a better result...

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Re: Portugueese India: D. Joao (1521-1557), Bazaruco, ND, Goa mint, KM#17
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 07:49:00 PM »
To be honest: I actually have no clue, how a Gothic J looks.  :-[

The first picture shows an uncrowned Bazaruco of Joao III with a cross above flanked by two dots.
On a Leal of Joao III the Y/J is written like the second picture shows.
The letter on Overlord's Bazaruco would have looked like the one on the third picture.

Not my coins ... :'(