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Offline gollada

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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2017, 09:58:47 AM »
Hi All,

I finally got a similar 'Sholay Coin'. An Indian Rupee struck with two Obverse.  It is PCGS verified and graded as MS64 (http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80786142).


This is a new addition to my collection of two similar Indian coins:
Coin1:  EIC, Bombay Presidency 1804 Mule 2 Pice (1/2 Anna) struck with two Obverses (Pr197; KM206/KM pn6).  This coin is authenticated and graded by NGC.
Coin2:  EIC, Bombay Presidency 1830 Mule 1/4 Anna struck with two Reverses. (PR209; unlisted in Krause).  It is proof like grade. A second example of this coin was recently offered at Todywala auctions.   

For details see:  http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,25772.0.html]

Thank You
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:18:38 AM by gollada »

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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 11:24:15 AM »
While in past this was a routine occurrence. This specific instance is doubtful.
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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 11:50:08 AM »
Hi Dheer,

Having not inspected the coin physically, it is a bit premature to flag the coin as doubtful, specially when it is graded by a reputed third party grader like PCGS.

Could you please shed some light on your rationale and inference.

Below are examples of similar contemporary coins from modern mints:

There is also a 2007 Australia 5c, which I could not attach because of the file size.

Regards,
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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 04:54:34 PM »
Coins with head or tail on both sides:
On very rare occasion you may come across coins having same raised design on both of its faces. This error may be created due to:
•   Due to Human error –
This error may be an intentional / inadvertent error created, when the operator pairs two wrong dies (two obverse dies or two reverse dies) at the time of minting a coin. In such coins we would see perfect image on both faces with no die rotation.

These may be created due to Technical Error : -
Due to Machine error – If this is not deliberately done, correct dies are fixed and it occurs due a machine fault, the sequence of events may be like this. For this discussion, we will assume the Obverse die to be the Anvil die and the Reverse die to be the Hammer Die.

•   Reverse image on both faces: -
Such type of error can be only termed as 'flipped over strike' error. Here two blanks enter the press and get struck. Now two uniface error coins are created. After the strike, the lower uniface coin is ejected but the upper uniface coin fails to eject, flips and falls inside the collar atop a freshly fed new blank lying over the anvil die and gets a second strike. Now the upper coin gets reverse image on its both sides. In such coins, we would see some degrees of rotation and moreover the image on one of its faces would be flattened & weak. The lower blank will be a unusual special brockage coin with normal obverse image on one side and incused reverse image on its other side.
The photo of such a special brockage coin is given below.


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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2017, 05:21:48 PM »
Good to see you back again. Thanks for the explanation on flipped over strike
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Re: Sholay Coin
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2017, 06:22:57 PM »
Hi Beekar,

Thank you for the detailed explanation. It is in line with my understanding of how such coins may come into existence.

See ' WHAT MAY HAVE CAUSED THIS ERROR' section in the first post in the below discussion:
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,25772.0.html.

Regards,