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Offline kumarrahul

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Please help attribute this coin
« on: August 31, 2011, 02:27:44 PM »
Dear Forum members, please help in identifying this Cu coin. Thanks

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 02:42:46 PM »
Here is the coin in the correct alignment ............

I am not too sure of the authenticity of the coin........ Seems to read Nur al Din / Jahangir Shah Akbar Shah on right image. Ilahi month .......dad on top and mint name on bottom on left image....... but the dates and the engraving leave suspicion.......

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 08:27:29 PM »
Not my job. But can try. Last two digit is clear 22. I guess 1822. Regal year 17.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 09:28:30 PM »
I share asm's suspicion, but not his knowledge. This looks like a jeweller's piece to me.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 08:50:08 AM »
Thanks Amit, Islam and Peter..

I can see where Regnal year 17 is written on the coin.. unable to find 1822.. but 1822 does not make any sense at all... 1822 AH would be far ahead in the future... If this is Nur-al-din Jahangir.. then the dates should read as 1014 - 1037 and I do not think a zero can be mixed up with an 8?


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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 09:48:43 AM »
The image is a bit blurred but the date...... and there are three of them........ are:

at the absolute bottom of the left image (at 6 O'clock position) you can clearly see 1822 or may be 1122 (1 is the same as an English 1; 8 is like an inverted English V; 2 is like a reversed English Y writen with an upright straight stroke) - both wrong for Janangir. Then just above that you can another date (just above the line) 'l V ' = 17 (Persian V = English 7) which would be the Regnal Year anf then there is almost at the top l O (which reads like 10) which in English will be 15 ( in Persian 10 is written as l followed by a dot.

Hope it is now clear.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 02:29:11 PM »
I read AH 1228 instead of AD 1822.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 05:27:11 PM »
Pity for all the time spent identifying this piece as it is a plane forgery of a coin which doesn't exist.
It reads: (right image) nur al-din jahangir shah akbar shah
left image: mah amardad ilahi / zarb agrah sanah 17 /1022.
The year 1022 is shown below sanah right on the edge of the coin.
Why such a coin can't exist? First of all Yr. 17 is not possible and should be 7; secondly the date combination 1022/Ry.7 for the month Amardad can't exist either. Only 1022/7 Isfandarmuz is possible, which is of square shape.
You may call it what you want, but the best it can be regarded as copper scrap.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 06:55:01 PM »
Thanks all.. pity that this is a fake..  :(

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 09:29:25 PM »
Thanks all.. pity that this is a fake..  :(

In a positive sense:

Over and above you learned quite a lot how to differentiate  between fake & real .

I hope you didn't paid much for this peice of metal.


First of all Yr. 17 is not possible and should be 7; secondly the date combination 1022/Ry.7 for the month Amardad can't exist either. Only 1022/7 Isfandarmuz is possible, which is of square shape.

Dear Oesho ,

Kindly advise what is the  best way to attribute combination dates  is there any reference chart exists which guide for  identifying these coins .

Next  please clarify what  are  the possibilities exists for such combination dates. apprecaite if you throw some light on this mind boggling issue.

Cheers ;D
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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 02:38:23 PM »
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Kindly advise what is the  best way to attribute combination dates  is there any reference chart exists which guide for  identifying these coins .

Next  please clarify what  are  the possibilities exists for such combination dates. appreciate if you throw some light on this mind boggling issue.

I simply could refer to my article: Some observations on Jahangir’s Ilahi-rupees of Agra, Numismatic Panorama (New Delhi 1996), but I will give it a try here too. It’s all a matter of calculations, which everyone can do, but you need to know were to start and from which date the official Julus is calculated. Therefore you require the indispensable book of Hodivala, Historical Studies in Mughal Numismatics (Bombay 1976), XXI. Chronology of the reigns of the Mughal emperors.p253-289.

The charts I wanted to insert didn't work. Sorry.
Consult the attachement in the message below.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2011, 03:09:06 PM by Oesho »

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 03:06:45 PM »
I have added the charts as an attachment. Hope this will work.

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Re: Please help attribute this coin
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 09:34:54 AM »
I have added the charts as an attachment. Hope this will work.

Thanks Oesho , your data & expert views are always helpful .

The chart shared by you  helps a lot.

Cheers ;D
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