Die Error - NGC Attribution - British India 1889 1/4 Anna

[brokencompass]

I noticed a die clash in one of my coins and was wondering if NGC would recognize it as a die clash coin. Thoughts?

[Coinsforever]

Queen Victoria 1/4 Anna ?

I guess , please post  Obverse image of coin to analyse it further.

Cheers

[brokencompass]

Sure.. Not as Hi Resolution as the Reverse but should give an idea.

[Coinsforever]

I've edit the image .

if looking on Obverse to find any die marks  on left side of coin at  9 o clock position , nothing visible from this image .

Have you notice any marks ? may be some one with sharp eyes can comment.

Cheers

[brokencompass]

Thanks Ajay! I do not notice any die marks or issues on the obverse, I find this issue just on the reverse of the coin.

[Figleaf]

Very nice die clash, brokencompass! I have no idea of the physics of it all, but indeed, a die clash normally shows on one side only.

[capnbirdseye]

I can clearly see the outline of the Queens face on the first image now I know what I'm looking for    not seen one of these before with the dies slamming together without a planchet. I wonder if the dies were then scrapped or repaired

[Figleaf]

You can't repair a die clash. The die will be made unusable or re-melted. However, as you can see from this coin, die clashes can be hard to notice, so error coins may esape from the mint before itis notice that they were struck with impaired dies.

Peter

[brokencompass]

I just learnt that NGC considers die clashes a normal part of the minting process and not unique enough to be attributed as a mint error when it is graded. I thought I had a mint error in a very high grade, darn it!

[Prosit]

I disagree with NGC....IMO you do.  Accidents by definition are not normal unless you are totally inept.

Dale

I just learnt that NGC considers die clashes a normal part of the minting process and not unique enough to be attributed as a mint error when it is graded. I thought I had a mint error in a very high grade, darn it!

[brokencompass]

I think NGC's opinion is that when the frequency of accidents is so high, it cannot be unique. I think they attribute errors that are more difficult to occur like Brockage, double die, etc.

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Error is something result of unexpected. Is die clash expected is a question.

Islam

[Figleaf]

I think the opinion of graders is irrelevant. Only your opinion counts on your own coins. If you sell the coin, the buyer's opinion becomes relevant. The opinion of the buyer may be influenced by that of the grader. Since the opinion of the grader stated on the plastic refers only to the grade, I wouldn't worry too much about it. You may want to think about the money you have spent on having this coin graded, though. This is a typical example of a coin whose selling value will be determined by emotion. If you like the die clash, you'll be prepared to pay for it, no matter what any third party says. Personally, I like how it needs a second, hard look to be discovered.

You may still be too optimistic on knowledge of US graders on non-US coins. I have seen die clashes on Indian coins before, but by far not as many as the opinion of the grader would like you to believe.

Lastly, something to put this coin in perspective: collectors of porcelain, silverware, medals or firearms reject production errors; collectors of coins and stamps may collect them. This shows how collecting errors is an emotional decision. You like them or you don't. You don't "need" them to be "complete". Personally, I have a few to show what can go wrong in the production process, I don't care which country they are from and I haven't spent extra money on any of them. Others will collect differently.

Peter

[Prosit]

First time I looked at the picture I saw it but assumed it was a die break.  The clash had to be pointed out to me 

Some banknote collectors love errors too.

Dale

Personally, I like how it needs a second, hard look to be discovered.

collectors of porcelain, silverware, medals or firearms reject production errors; collectors of coins and stamps may collect t
Peter

[Prosit]

Looking at it from a different view point.....ask the question....is it suspose to be that way?  No it is not, therefore it is an error
Dale

Error is something result of unexpected. Is die clash expected is a question.

Islam