Comments on "Portraits used on UK and Commonwealth pre-decimal coins"

[Figleaf]

Luvely thread! Thanks.

Some comments.

• Some Elizabethan coin are milled
• Don't forget Cromwell. You might not have his coins, but there should be pics available on the net
• In the distant past, I have done some research on the Roettiers that may answer some of your questions. Will search for it and report here.
  

Peter

[andyg]

1) yes I know about Briot's coinage of the 1560's but they don't really fit with the rest.
2) I did forget Cromwell!
3) Any help appreciated.

[<k>]

Only coins of "England" and not Scotland or Britain for Victoria?

[<k>]

There were no Irish coins with portraits after George IV in 1823/4, so that wouldn't make any difference. "Great Britain" came about in 1603, as I understand it; the United Kingdom in 1707, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801. I can't see any change under EVII, and there is just the insertion of "Northern" before "Ireland" in the 1920s. Is andyg getting mixed up with the addition of "OMN" for "all the Britains" to the obverse legends in 1902? Is that why he labels Victoria's portraits as England and Edward VII's as UK?

[andyg]

Is that why he labels Victoria's portraits as England and Edward VII's as UK?

No, it's just I didn't think about it until you pointed it out.  I have to call the English coins upto 1707 English to distingush them from the Scottish, Irish and Welsh ones.

[<k>]

No, it's just I didn't think about it until you pointed it out.  I have to call the English coins upto 1707 English to distingush them from the Scottish, Irish and Welsh ones.

Fair enough. That's all I was after. I had thought you might have had some reason for doing so, since I have seen the Indian members refer to an "English head" of Victoria that I would have imagined was British.

[Prosit]

Didn't the Churchill coin circulate a little?  It is such a beautiful portrait and much beloved by all coin collectors 
Also the 65 is a coin you can never flip and get a tails.  Two heads.

Dale

[andyg]

Yes, maybe I need to clarify exactly which portraits I've covered

I'm a few designer names missing if anyone has time to look for them.
I also have some further scans to add courtesy of Figleaf.

[Prosit]

If you like to search for very rare coins that cost very little then go find a Churchill Crown without bagmarks and that will grade MS-65+ on the US scale.  Not talking about the specimen coin just the regular issue.

I spent some time and effort looking and I begin to think they do not exist.  I did get a very nice one but don't think it would go higher than MS-63 which is a very nice looking coin and difficult enough to find.  It still has a couple bag marks I wish it didn't.

I have never been one to chase a grade but that challenge caught my fancy for a while.

Dale

[andyg]

Is that a self portrait of you (when at work) Dale?

[Prosit]

Pretty close resemblence    Think I still have a little more hair than that...maybe 

Dale

Is that a self portrait of you (when at work) Dale?

[andyg]

If you like to search for very rare coins that cost very little then go find a Churchill Crown without bagmarks and that will grade MS-65+ on the US scale.  Not talking about the specimen coin just the regular issue.

I spent some time and effort looking and I begin to think they do not exist.  I did get a very nice one but don't think it would go higher than MS-63 which is a very nice looking coin and difficult enough to find.  It still has a couple bag marks I wish it didn't.

I have never been one to chase a grade but that challenge caught my fancy for a while.

Dale

Actually trying to find any circulation strike in higher than MS-63 grades is near impossible in the UK.
The mint simply don't care about them - preferring to produce BU coins in packs and charging six times the face value for them.