San Marino coins for the first time minted outside Italy

Started by eurocoin, April 06, 2018, 11:39:26 AM

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eurocoin

For the first time San Marino will later this year issue coins minted outside of Italy. The 2 collectors coins with denominations of 5 and 10 euros will be minted in Austria. It is a break with a long tradition. The country which by default is supposed to let mint its coins at IPZS, had to obtain special permission of a joint committee of the EU to let mint its coins in Austria.

FosseWay

Presumably they will not carry the R mintmark. Will they have some other mark?

chrisild

Interesting news indeed. As for the mintmark, the R would indeed make no sense, and Austria usually does not use one. The mint in Vienna stopped doing that about 150 years ago. ;)  The only exception were the Vienna made 1976 Olympics pieces (which had the city's CoA), but that was done because the mint in Hall also made some.

Christian

redlock

Quote from: chrisild on April 06, 2018, 08:14:29 PM
and Austria usually does not use one. The mint in Vienna stopped doing that about 150 years ago. ;)  The only exception were the Vienna made 1976 Olympics pieces (which had the city's CoA), but that was done because the mint in Hall also made some.

Christian

You forgot the time between 1938-1944.  ;)

Figleaf

That's a semantic problem only. The careful use of "usually" was - probably inadvertently - negated by the word "only". Fortunately, there is an escape hatch: at that time, the Vienna mint was not Austrian. :)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Bimat

Interesting news indeed. What was the reason for this change? If it was only financial, then they would have probably asked the Austrian mint to mint all their coins and not just two?

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

chrisild

Because of the monetary agreement that San Marino has with the European Union. From article 5:

"1. Euro coins issued by the Republic of San Marino shall be minted by the Istituto Poligrafico e Zecca dello Stato of the Italian Republic.
2. By derogation to paragraph 1, San Marino may have its coins minted by an EU mint striking euro coins other than the one mentioned in paragraph 1, with the agreement of the Joint Committee."

This committee consists of representatives from San Marino, Italy, the European Commission and the European Central Bank. My guess is that it was easier to obtain such a one-time OK. ;)

Christian

Kopper Ken

If that's the only place they will be minted, do they really need a mint mark?

KK

FosseWay

Quote from: Kopper Ken on April 09, 2018, 03:10:59 AM
If that's the only place they will be minted, do they really need a mint mark?

KK

Well, the same could be said of Italian and Vatican coins in general, and San Marino so far - they have all been minted at Rome for many years and have the R mark. Same with France and the Netherlands, where all coins have been minted only at the respective national mints for decades and carry those mints' marks (cornucopia and caduceus respectively), and Norway where all coins carry the Kongsberg crossed hammers.

Pabitra

Mint marks are modern tools for marketing the services by the mint. They are used to make general customers aware of the brand. A very simple but effective marketing method.

eMouse


eurocoin

Quote from: eMouse on April 14, 2018, 07:48:16 AM
The theme of coins known? Metal?

I do not know the theme(s) of the coins but do know that they will be made out of silver.

eMouse


chrisild

If those will be silver pieces, then the themes should be:
€5 (Canaletto - died 250 years ago)
€10 (Cultural Heritage Year)

There will also be bimetallic coins (Zodiac: Aries, Taurus) but, as usual, those are not silver-niobium.

Christian

chrisild

Here are the designs. Both coins were indeed minted in Vienna (Münze Österreich) but as far as I can tell, they have no mintmark. The obverse designs, by Antonella Napolione, are identical.

The €5 coin, designed by Herbert Wähner (reverse), shows Venice as Canaletto depicted it in the "Bacino di San Marco" painting. Proof only, Ag 925, mintage max. 3400, price 35 euro.

The €10 piece was designed by Helmut Andexlinger (reverse). It features a detail from Caravaggio's "Supper at Emmaus". Proof only, Ag 925, mintage max. 3400, price 38 euro.

Christian