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Islamic world / Re: Genghis Khan jital
« Last post by THCoins on April 03, 2020, 02:32:05 PM »
I guess this is another one of those small coins issued by a powerful local family that they hoped would not offend the Mongols

There is another theory that people were forced to hand in their valuables in exchange for these coins as emergency money. Because these turned out to be worthless in the end many of these may have been left in the rubble for later gererations to be found.

Interesting is that these coins are not scarce. High prices are mainly caused by the link to Chingis Khan. Despite the large numbers these seem to have been struck with a limited number of dies. To illustrate this here a die identical one. Easily visible due to the die defect over the "Adl"in the top line.
Private countermarks / Re: Troubled coins
« Last post by brandm24 on April 03, 2020, 01:50:45 PM »
This is one of the most unusual pieces of political expression I've seen to date. It was offered at auction by a Belfast coin dealer several months ago. It's now in my collection.

 Strangely, someone used a British 3d coin as a die and struck an image of the obverse on the back of a James Mackie & Sons tool / pay token. Normally, that wouldn't be particularly significant. However, in this case, the history of this Belfast company makes it so.

James Mackie & Sons was a large textile machinery manufacturer in Belfast, Northern Ireland for many years before and throughout the Troubles. Mackie, along with several other large concerns...Harlan & Wolff and Shorts Aircraft...employed heavily Protestant work forces and are known to have strongly supported the Loyalist agenda. All three, especially Mackie, struck thousand of circulating Irish coins with Loyalist slogans and defaced many others by cutting or drilling them. I was told that this laborious task was assigned to apprentices and done on their tea breaks. All this defacement was a form of economic warfare that would force the Irish government to melt the damaged coins and issue new ones. More of a nuisance than actually having a significant impact. The propaganda value would have been more important.

Mackie's closed in 1999 and the Albert Foundry site was eventually demolished. In 2001 the Industrial Development Board bought the property and built the Springvale Business Park. It's still there today.

Back to the token itself. The obverse is standard except for the unique serial number and the four dots struck above it. I've seen many examples of Mackie tokens but none with the dots. They must have had a purpose but I don't know what it would be.

 The image of the British coin is more interesting. Since the company was pro-Loyalist the image would likely be a show of support for the Crown, in effect, "marking" it as Crown property.  In the process of striking the image of course the coin would have been destroyed, but that clearly wasn't intended as a defacement. In the remote possibility that a Catholic worker did this, I seriously doubt that he would draw attention to himself in this manner.

In addition to pictures of the token I've included images of the Albert Foundry and James Mackie.

Regular circulating decimal coins / 1982 20 Pence - Off Metal Strike (OMS)
« Last post by Director on April 03, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
Hello folks:

I came across a 20 pence in copper (probably) as opposed to the usual copper-nickel. If anyone knows the story behind this and an approx value, I would highly appreciate it.

Are these common? Are these rare? Are these real/fake? Couldn't find much online.

Please fire away!

Thank you, kindly.
Islamic world / Re: Genghis Khan jital
« Last post by Figleaf on April 03, 2020, 07:46:55 AM »
WOW! That's an unholy grail piece for me. Ghazna was destroyed by the Mongols, so I guess this is another one of those small coins issued by a powerful local family that they hoped would not offend the Mongols. Highly interesting times.

Beautiful picture also. Thank you!

Does the other two coins give us any cue to infer where he fits in Bengal Sultans' chronology?
Unfortunately they don't. But based on weight, calligraphy, design  and look experts infer that it was from Bengal and in type from Muazzamabad mint. Noman Nasir published a paper showing the second coin and from me with Stan Goron, the third confirming Nasir al Din Muhammad Shah as a coin issuing authority. Unfortunately that is the best we could do from available specimens.   
Suri Sultans of Dehli, Sher Shah Suri, AR Rupee, dated 949 AH (1541-42 CE), mint of Chunar, 11.26 gms, 27.8-28.5 mm

Coin Legends:
(From the reverse margin) Al-Sultan al-Adil (obverse margin) Farid al-Dunya wa al-Deen Abu al-Muzaffar (obverse center field) Sher Shah al-Sultan Khallad Allah Mulkuhu.
Translation: The Sultan the Just, unique in this world and (in his interpretation and implementation) of the religion (of Islam) father of the victorios (i.e., the Victor) Sher Shah the Sultan, may Allah eternalize his dominions.

The mint and date are inscribed in the obverse margin with Devanagari inscription Shri Ser Sahi. The reverse center field has the Shahadah and the margin has the names of the first four Caliphs of Islam as: Abu Bakr al-Siddique, Umar, Uthman and Ali al-Murtadha.

Mint Marks: Ornate eight armed star replacing the diacritical mark of “na” in the obverse center field, and a less ornate eight armed star in the middle of the Shahadah on the reverse.

Reference: Goron and Goenka, Coins of Indian Sultanates: Covering the Area of Present-Day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. GG-D776 (listed as R).

The fortress of Chunar was Sher Shah’s initial military base and its possession marks a turning point in his rise from a fief holder in Bihar to the Sultan of Delhi.

More details at: Sher Shah: Rupee of Chunar – داستان سکّہ
Useful links / Re: Numismatic Notes with Benjamin on Youtube
« Last post by Oklahoman on April 03, 2020, 04:07:12 AM »
Drums beat out the rhythm of life on these world banknotes...

Drums on World Banknotes - YouTube
Much obliged for your valuable opinion. I'm surprised that the estimate for Daulat Shah bin Maudud is that low; never realised that it was that rare!
One question, do we know the where the Shams al-Din Daulat Shah tanka and the Jalal al-Din Muhammad Shah Lion ten tanka are? I would be willing to travel to see the ten tanka. Must be magnificent to look at.
Islamic world / Genghis Khan jital
« Last post by Pellinore on April 02, 2020, 11:09:13 PM »
AE jital, Genghis Khan. Ghazna. 15.5 mm, 3.94 gr. Dark. Album 1969, Nyamaa 5, Tye 329.

-- Paul
Islamic world / Another Samanid fals, Nasr II, Bukhara
« Last post by Pellinore on April 02, 2020, 11:03:09 PM »
A Samanid fals, again it looks very balanced and regular, well-centred and perfectly round.

AE fals Samanids, Nasr II, AH 305 = 917. Mint Bukhara. Bit rusty. 26 mm, 4.09 gr.

-- Paul
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