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Numismatics / Re: Decimalisation in Europe
« Last post by <k> on Today at 01:00:27 AM »
   Austria-Hungary      1857   
   Cyprus      1955   
   France      1795   
   Germany      1871   
   Guernsey      1971   
   Ireland      1971   
   Isle of Man      1971   
   Jersey      1971   
   Malta      1972   
   Netherlands      1816   
   Russia      1704   
   Spain      1868   
   Sweden      1855   
   United Kingdom      1971   



The data so far. So who does that leave, in modern terms? Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, ex-Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania, Denmark, Belgium, Switzerland.
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UK Decimal coins / Re: The jigsaw series is broken. Should it be scrapped?
« Last post by <k> on Today at 12:25:30 AM »
Or perhaps Scotland's possible independence in a few years time will put an end to the jigsaw.

It's interesting to speculate what effect that might have on one aspect of our country - the Union - that irritates me as a collector. If I want to look up British coins in any world coin catalogue, I have three choices of where to look: Britain, Great Britain, or United Kingdom. Usually I get it wrong first time, and different references do it differently.  >:(

The United Kingdom is a union of the two kingdoms: England and Scotland. Wales is a mere principality, of course, while Northern Ireland is a constituent country. So, if Scotland left, there would be no "United Kingdom". However, one solution would be to upgrade Wales to a kingdom, then the name "United Kingdom" could be kept. Geographically, an independent Scotland would still be part of Britain, though, as even the Scots nationalists agree, in which case coin catalogues would probably drop references to "Britain" and "Great Britain", in order to avoid confusion. How many other current countries have more than one possible position in a coin catalogue?
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UK Decimal coins / Re: The jigsaw series is broken. Should it be scrapped?
« Last post by <k> on Today at 12:09:21 AM »
I do like one or two aspects of the Dent coins: the cross-hatching (close and detailed engraving) on the 5p, and the look of the upside-down 50p, but the engraving is the fine workmanship of the Mint and probably would not have been technically possible a few decades ago.

I agree, it is boring to have one subject spread across all the coins. A different theme for each would be nice.

Even David Gentleman's runner-up designs concentrated on one theme only, though they were marginally more interesting than Dent's efforts:

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I think it does matter, yes.  Personally I want to see the jigsaw series go.  I'm fed up with it.  I never thought I'd miss the old designs but when I get one in change I get quite nostalgic.  That's partly because I grew up with the 1968-82 designs, but also because it's far more satisfying to see a complete design on a coin rather than a small part of a much larger one.

Exactly that.  :) I did like it when it was introduced, but enough now.
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Not used for payments / Frau im Mond (1929) - 10 Luna tokens
« Last post by natko on April 23, 2017, 11:52:48 PM »
Today I found a very interesting token, I believe used as a souvenir or promotion for Woman in the Moon movie.

It might not be easily seen here on the first photo, but by the rim below the rocket side (4-8 o'clock), mint name can be read as "Griesbach i Knaus, Zagreb". You can read a little English abstract about the company in a paper published by the Institute of History in 2009. HERE. Just download the pdf, English abstract is at the end. Interesting to notice how Teodor Krivak was working as engraver for the company around 1929, so it's probable he was the one with idea of issuing such a token in Zagreb. Krivak was a medal and coin enthusiast, he worked later with Ivo Kerdic on monetary patterns, including wartime circulation pieces.

Obverse otherwise shows the rocket with Croatian name of the movie and short description - a trip to the Moon with the rocket, below are the names of the main actors.

Reverse is interesting, incorporating the production company logo, with statement "Bank on the Moon pays for this money/ 10 / Luna" inside obvious - director's name and cinema name.

There are two types of this token described in the local literature, this one supposedly scarcer, the other one without "Europa palace kino", a cinema still open in Zagreb with that same name restored in 1992.

I found online a German (THIS collector) and a Hungarian (from their token directory) examples of this token, each is a little bit different but still much less than Croatian one which was almost certainly made as their copy for local promotion of the movie. Photos attached.

Heavy circulation marks on all known pieces make me think it was maybe used as something more than merely a souvenir, so it would be interesting to see does anybody else here know about them or are there any other languages (probably yes) in which this token was made. I find it hard to believe such a widespread, multinational token would remain without any further info today.
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Unidentified items / Khwarezmian coin, but which one
« Last post by Figleaf on April 23, 2017, 11:06:34 PM »
This coin looks to be either a Karakhanid (see MWI 897-899) or Kwarezmshah (see MWI 906-909) variant. If so, it would likely have been a product of the Samarqand mint. Can anyone confirm or correct?

Peter
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UK Decimal coins / Re: The jigsaw series is broken. Should it be scrapped?
« Last post by <k> on April 23, 2017, 11:03:07 PM »
I never much liked the round pound because of the yellow metal - it soon looks tacky. Maybe wouldn't have been so bad if the coin had been a bit bigger, like the French 10 francs of the 1970s onwards.

So what kind of modernism would you like for a portrait, Figleaf? Not those two-dimensional things such as the Netherlands did in the 1980s? Yes, I'm sure Matt Dent could provide something suitably dumbed-down, in that regard.  ;)
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Numismatics / Re: Decimalisation in Europe
« Last post by <k> on April 23, 2017, 10:37:16 PM »
The Netherlands went decimal about 200 years ago. The 1816 muntwet introduced the decimal gulden = 100 cent(s). The countries that later became the Deutsches Reich had non-decimal currency setups; that obviously changed in 1871 ...

Thanks, Christian.

An example is Malta, which had pounds, cents and mils, but some West Asian countries did it too - Egypt comes to mind. I would count those systems as decimal also...

Agreed!
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Thank you Anthony, I have few of those coins with different dates but their quality is poor like this one. In order to post such coin I needed few hours preparing the post. I used the following reference on this coin:
Society and Culture in the Early Modern Middle East, Studies on Iran in the Safavid Period. Edited by: Andrew J. Newman, Brill Leiden Boston 2003.

Maythem
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Numismatics / Re: Decimalisation in Europe
« Last post by Figleaf on April 23, 2017, 10:01:21 PM »
I wouldn't use the term "well behind" until the sterling-derived currencies of the world started decimalising.

Take into account that some colonial £sd systems were actually decimal in disguise, e.g. if you count in units of 5 francs, worth 4 shillings, coins of 8, 4, 2 and 1 shilling may look like £sd coins, but they are actually decimal (or binary, if you wish) coins of 2, 1, 1/2 and 1/4 units of account. IIRC, by the time the UK went decimal, only the islands around it were still using £sd.

Some currencies had two sub-division values. An example is Malta, which had pounds, cents and mils, but some West Asian countries did it too - Egypt comes to mind. I would count those systems as decimal also...

Peter
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