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Unidentified items / Re: CI VI REX silver coin help to identify
« Last post by Figleaf on Today at 05:34:53 PM »
While I have no doubt about the id, the obverse legend bugs me also. It looks like there are two characters too many. I include a sketch from Cayón for comparison.

Peter
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Interesting coin, not only by its scarcity. I think you may be right that someone tried to divide this in two halves.
There it not much wear on the coin, but the calligraphy and strike quality is not really superb i'd say. That may have been an indication that the affairs of the state were not that good any more at the end of Iltutmish's reign ?
On your specimen is the first time i noticed that the name of the caliph is written in a somewhat abbreviated way on this type. Most historians seem to agree that Iltutmish position was recently much strengthened by his recognition by the caliph. Then why did the mint not write the caliphs name with some more care ?

(Just some things i wondered about while looking at your specimen. I dont expect you to provide al the answers to these  :) Thanks for showing !)

Anthony
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Baltics / Re: Półtorak / 3 Polker - Zygmunt III Waza
« Last post by cam on Today at 04:57:52 PM »
I think the mintmark decides where the coin is minted, until otherwise proven. I have no evidence to present outside of what I gave you above, noting that Krakow has mint officials at least until the end of the century. I know nothing about the evidence numista has.

Thanks! I'll try to investigate this issue deeper.
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Baltics / Re: Półtorak / 3 Polker - Zygmunt III Waza
« Last post by Figleaf on Today at 04:56:28 PM »
I think the mintmark decides where the coin is minted, until otherwise proven. I have no evidence to present outside of what I gave you above, noting that Krakow has mint officials at least until the end of the century. I know nothing about the evidence numista has.

Peter
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Unidentified items / Re: CI VI REX silver coin help to identify
« Last post by THCoins on Today at 04:43:45 PM »
Great you found it !
I tried to fit the legend with all variations of the city name i could think of but got nowhere.
Even the "Barcino" does not really seem to fit on your specimen. But legend variations in this period may be very common.
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I will add, this is an auction that always responds to comments.
Even simple notes like date error.
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Baltics / Re: Półtorak / 3 Polker - Zygmunt III Waza
« Last post by cam on Today at 04:31:16 PM »
> OK, you have me confused. Why is a coin with the Krakow mint mark not from Krakow?

Good question. Maybe mintmark is wrong, maybe Numista is worong. Please, have a look at Numista. If Półtorak 1622 has a date on the reverse, it is Bydgoszcz mint regardless of the mintmark.
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Islamic world / Re: Ummayads of Spain, Hisham II dirhem, al-Andalus
« Last post by Figleaf on Today at 04:30:04 PM »
Great coin indeed. FWIW, Cayón 492. It may be common, but is it common in this quality? Aas you say, echo strike lines from 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock on the left image. Are the other two from the same mint? Possible variants are Fez and Necor.

The minter made the strike just a little bit more powerful than necessary. In moslem countries you sometimes run into a practice to make a small error on purpose as perfection would be considered blasphemous.

Peter
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Hi,
I picked up a heavily damaged coin of Iltutmish. There is a clipped out part and possible attempt to cut down the coin in to halves. Nevertheless, tanka of Iltutmish is rare and highly collectable. Apart from the damage, the coin looks uncirculated to me.
Weight : 10.88 gm
Diameter : 29.8 mm
Obv: Al Sultan Al Azam Shams al Dunya wa'l din abul Muzaffar Iltutmish al sultan
Rev:fi 'ahd al imam mustansir amir al mu'minin,
min kharaj qanauj wa kafar in margin on both side.
This type of coin was struck in the year AH 632.
Thanks,
Saikat
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Private countermarks / Re: The Allure of Counterstamps
« Last post by brandm24 on Today at 04:15:39 PM »
The definition of "token" is really "whatever you want it to mean"  ;D

We had this discussion in the token group of Gothenburg Numismatic Society when we were preparing the book on the city's tokens, and decided to be as inclusive as possible. Not only is there a continuum of uses, but also it's not always clear how a particular piece was used, or indeed whether it was used in some way not envisaged or intended by its issuer or maker.

Advertising tokens are a case in point; we included all those we came across. Our argumentation was that (a) they form an important aspect of study of the city's businesses, so are clearly related to the wider topic of commerce and currency regardless of how they were used, and (b) it is far from unlikely that they were indeed used as some form of currency substitute. If you were given an advertising token from a business, what were you expected to do with it? Sure, it tells you the business exists and that its products are the best money can buy. So do adverts on billboards and in the newspaper. But this token you have with you. That must mean something. You must be expected to do something with it. You're not going to keep it as a memento (as you might do with, say, a medallion celebrating a jubilee or a sporting event), so what remains? Take it to the shop that issued it, of course, and say to the staff that you heard about their product on the token. What shopkeeper won't then accept the token against a discount on the product?

Tool checks we also included in some cases, mainly when they fulfilled criterion (a) above - where they add to the commercial history of the city. So we included non-trade-related items from e.g. Volvo, SKF and other known businesses but not anonymous ones.

I've come across tokens used for many things which they weren't intended for. Counterstamped Large Cents were badly abused by those who wanted to attach one to a product they made. I never understood that...seems like it would have been easier, and cheaper, to put your name on a brass tag or metal plate. Large Cents weren't popular, but there were so many of them struck that they offered an easy outlet for one with destructive tendencies. They were used as buttons, notched to be used as gears, shaped into small tools...purpose unknown... and all other manner of things. Tokens in general suffered the same fate.

Well, what are we expected to do with a token? One thing we can do is what some of us on WoT do. Post a picture and talk about it. :)

Bruce
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