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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Princely States and Independent kingdoms => Topic started by: capnbirdseye on April 22, 2011, 09:39:49 PM

Title: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: capnbirdseye on April 22, 2011, 09:39:49 PM
Here is another scarce coin from my collection, at first glance you might think it's from Indore state & not Gwalior.

Quarter Anna 25mm Madho Rao,  Samvat era 1946    c.1890AD

The coin has a planchet error

(http://i52.tinypic.com/serj7r.jpg)

(http://i55.tinypic.com/1zbxaa1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Figleaf on April 22, 2011, 11:39:29 PM
KM 168.1, I think. Haven't seen it before. I believe the clip occurred when the planchets were punched out of the plate: a slight overlap of holes.

Peter
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Coinsforever on April 23, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
Awesome coin of Gwalior , may be only few of the lucky collectors have this coin in their collection.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Abhay on April 23, 2011, 05:44:25 AM
There are 4 varieties of 1/4 Anna Sunface Coin of Gwalior - 2 with 16 pointed star, 1 with 17 pointed star and the last one with 18 pointed star. While it is still easier to see the 16 pointed star coins, I have never seen the coins with 17 and 18 pointed star.

The present market price of these 16 pointed star coins is about 17500 rupees.

The 2 varieties of 16 pointed star coins that I have in my collection, are shown here for comparision - one has a narrow and pointed nose, while the other has a broad nose. Even the shape of the star is different.

Abhay
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Oesho on April 23, 2011, 04:08:15 PM
Dear Abhay, You didn't see a sunface with 17, resp. 18 rays. Therefore I will upload a few others of the Gwalior 'sunface' 1/4 anna's.
a) Quarter anna VS.1944, with circular legend around sunface. KM#165
b) Quarter anna VS.1944, with 18 rays around the sunface. KM#166
c) Quarter anna VS.1945, with 17 rays arond the sunface. KM#167
d) Half pice VS.1946, much more rare as the 1/4 anna issues. KM#162
e) Half pice VS.1946 punched from a 1/4 anna to be used as blank for the 1/2 pice type KM#164.
f) Half pice VS.1958 (KM#164), struck over a punched 1/4 anna (VS.1946). Sunrays are still visible on the obverse.
Title: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Bimat on April 23, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
Dear Oesho, that's a museum quality collection!! WoWWW!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) Thanks for sharing!

Aditya
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Abhay on April 23, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
Dear Oesho,

Thanks a lot for showing the pictures. It is really strange that you don't see these coins in Gwalior also. I have been seeing lots of other Gwalior coins being found in and around Gwalior, but never came across these coins.

Abhay
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: capnbirdseye on April 23, 2011, 04:55:55 PM
Wow! didn't realise there were so many varieties of this coin,  8)
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Coinsforever on April 24, 2011, 12:13:04 AM
I guess  in past couple of days almost all the varieties of these coins has been on display ................


Great show of varieties .................

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Oesho on April 24, 2011, 01:42:23 AM
Quote
I guess  in past couple of days almost all the varieties of these coins has been on display ................
We still miss an image of a one pie and a half anna, both dated VS.1946. The pie and half anna are in the British museum and I have only seen another half anna VS.1946 in trade. So these are extremely rare.
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: asm on April 24, 2011, 03:58:45 AM
Just seeing these coins made my day.........

Amit
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Abhay on April 24, 2011, 10:10:38 AM
We still miss an image of a one pie and a half anna, both dated VS.1946. The pie and half anna are in the British museum and I have only seen another half anna VS.1946 in trade. So these are extremely rare.

I never knew that 1/2 Anna was so rare. I do have 1/2 anna in my collection. :) :) :)
Here are the images:

Abhay
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Oesho on April 24, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
Great Abhay, this is just the third specimen I have seen. It's a real gem.
When we can manage to get a scan of a one pie VS.1946, the whole series will be complete on WoC.
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Figleaf on April 24, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
Capnbirdseye, Oesho and Engipress, may our cataloguing members use these stunning pictures?

Peter
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: capnbirdseye on April 24, 2011, 12:58:50 PM
Capnbirdseye, Oesho and Engipress, may our cataloguing members use these stunning pictures?

Peter

Please feel free to use any of my phot'os  :)
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Abhay on April 24, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Capnbirdseye, Oesho and Engipress, may our cataloguing members use these stunning pictures?

Peter

Yes, surely these images can be used. If higher resolution images are required, than just give the mail ID on which the images are required, and I will be glad to mail them.

Abhay
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Oesho on April 25, 2011, 11:22:12 AM
I fully comply with the reply of Abhay.
Title: Re: Gwalior coin with sunface
Post by: Figleaf on April 25, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
Thank you al, gentlemen.

Peter
Title: Re: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: Rangnath on April 27, 2011, 12:17:21 AM
Thanks for initiating this thread capnbirdseye. Wouldn’t any child love these images? Speaking as one of them,   I find the milled sunface series irresistibly charming; sort of like a pack of bichon frise puppies!  Oesho, thank you so much for posting them.     Abhay, once again your collection astounds.   
richie
Title: Re: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: Abhay on January 30, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
Got this coin today. Half Pice restruck on Sunface coin Blank.

The Sunface can be seen very clearly on the coin.

Abhay
Title: Re: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: Figleaf on January 30, 2019, 02:08:41 PM
Great fun piece, Abhay!

Why would Gwalior have needed so many quarter annas? And, when there are 4 pice in an anna, why would a half pice fit on a quarter anna die?

Peter
Title: Re: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: Oesho on January 30, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
Peter, see my remark earlier ( Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 04:08:15 PM ») where I mentioned that the flans for the ½ pice were punched out of the ¼ annas. The image of the under type does show-up sometimes on the ½ pice issues as is shown above.
Title: Re: Gwalior sunface Quarter Annas: Varieties
Post by: Figleaf on January 30, 2019, 11:10:03 PM
Thank you, Oesho. That explains it quite well. My own explanation for the many quarter annas from Gwalior is that they us the unified coinage for India, but wanted a symbol to maintain their minting right and what remained of their independence. If that is so, changing quarter annas to half pice may have been a cost-saving measure: it takes less copper. If you punch them out of old coins, you can re-melt the shavings and increase your own money supply.

Peter