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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Princely States and Independent kingdoms => Topic started by: Rangnath on August 05, 2007, 03:03:21 AM

Title: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: Rangnath on August 05, 2007, 03:03:21 AM
For $.25, I figured I couldn't go wrong.  One side was covered in adhesive. The other was partially covered in crud.  But the mint mark caught my eye and eventually, I found what I thought was a match! I dropped the coin in Acetone for 20 minutes.  The glue dropped off and the Jhar was revealed. So indeed, the coin was a Km 29, year 15 (I think), which places it in 1774.  The Feudal State of Jaipur.  The very site, when I was a young man, in which I feebly hit an ice cream vendor in the stomach two hundred and one years after the coin was minted.
For the money, wasn't that great fun?
Richie
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Rangnath on August 05, 2007, 03:05:00 AM
I got an error message in Chinese.  I remember the Ice cream vendor to be Rajistani, but who knows what Karma we create.
richie
Title: Jaipuri hammered coin.
Post by: BC Numismatics on August 05, 2007, 02:36:16 PM
Richie,was this Jaipuri hammered coin issued prior to coming under British suzerainty or was it issued after coming under British suzerainty as a princely state?

Aidan.
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Figleaf on August 05, 2007, 10:37:52 PM
You made a piece of metal into a piece of history. Wonderful. Such action is to be expected from someone who sits up at night with a sick dog and a parrot. I am not sure about that 15, but that doesn't matter much. First class id too. What a joy.

@BCN: according to Wikipedia (as well as KM), Jaipur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaipur) became a British vassal state by treaty of 1818. This coin pre-dates the treaty.

Peter
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Rangnath on August 05, 2007, 10:45:54 PM
Bad news.  There goes Aidan's interest in the coin. 

That was one chaotic century for India, wasn't it?  The decline of the Moghuls, the rise and fall of the Maratha Confederacy and, of course, the inevitable rise of the British.  I've not read a good history of that era.  I've made the assumption that it was the British that made it possible for little players like Lunavada and even Jaipur to maintain their identity for as long as they did. 

richie
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Figleaf on August 07, 2007, 01:15:48 AM
I am reading the Baroque cycle (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=&author=neal+stephenson&select-author=field-author-exact&title=&select-title=field-title&subject=&select-subject=field-subject&field-publisher=&field-isbn=&node=&field-binding=&field-age=&field-language=&field-dateop=before&field-datemod=0&field-dateyear=2009&chooser-sort=rank%21%2Bdaterank&mysubmitbutton1.x=36&mysubmitbutton1.y=13) by Neal Stevenson, which is partly set in India (one of the book's heroes becomes temporary feudal lord in India). The story is extremely rich and well informed. A wonderful way to get a glimpse of the world in the early 18th century. Beware. Each book is around 700 pages.

Peter
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Rangnath on August 07, 2007, 01:26:15 AM
Isn't Neal Stevenson's Snow Crash the book that starts out about a Pizza delivery?  I wrote down the title and I'll give it a try.
richie
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Jaipur
Post by: Figleaf on August 07, 2007, 01:29:29 AM
I'm too cheap to buy books when they've just come out. Ask me in a year's time.

Peter
Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Kishangarh, not Jaipur
Post by: Oesho on September 06, 2007, 09:43:59 PM
Sorry to say, but the attribution to Jaipur is wrong. The coin very much looks like a Jaipur Takka, but was actual struck at Kishangarh. It is listed in the 19th cent. 5th ed. KM catalogue as C#5.
The coins of Jaipur were very popular in Rajasthan and some Princely States imitated the Jaipur currency. Kishangarh copied the Jaipur copper coinage. Another Princely State, Karauli, imitated the silver currency of Jaipur and recently I came across a reference in the Jodhpur State Gazetteer, that Kuchaman, a feudatory of Marwar (Jodhpur), imitated Jaipur gold coins.

Title: Re: Hammered Coin of Kishangarh, not Jaipur
Post by: Rangnath on September 06, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
Oesho,
This is in fact wonderful news, for the following reasons:
1.  I prefer to live in the truth and you have shed light on the error of my ways.
2.  I have a wonderful silver 1/4 rupee and a paisa from Jaipur, but nothing from the Kopy Kats of Kishangarh!  So, I am delighted. Really. Honest.

Thank you so much,
richie
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: Overlord on March 28, 2009, 07:42:50 AM
Found one in my mystery coin box today  :)

(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/002a.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/002b-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: asm on March 28, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
Overlord,
The coin that you have has a surprising lot of information on it. I have both the jaipur as well as the Kishangarh coins and the information is mostly off flan. Is your coin of a bigger size or is it a bigger denomination that the coin exhibited by Richie?
Amit
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: Overlord on March 28, 2009, 09:40:04 AM
asm, the mass of this one is 18.5 gram.
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: asm on March 28, 2009, 09:41:14 AM
Richie,
The date is visible partly on the right immage to the left of the Jhar. The V is either 7 or mostly 17 or ... The O that you see on the left immage is not a part of the date.
Amit
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: asm on March 28, 2009, 09:44:28 AM
asm, the mass of this one is 18.5 gram.
Overlord, the size please?
Amit
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: Overlord on March 28, 2009, 09:50:41 AM
That measuring tape always goes missing when I need it  ::). Just managed to find it.

The diameter is 18 mm.
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: asm on March 28, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
Overlord,
If memory serves me right, my coin is smaller. Will revert tomorrow.
Amit
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: Oesho on March 28, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
If my memory don't fail, this coin was subject to an earlier  discussion (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,1368.0.html)
Title: Re: Kishangarh, Craig 5, takka, 19th century
Post by: birder on April 04, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
I have a similar coin which I have always believed to be Kishangarh because of the "quartered square" on the other side. . But the shape of the Jhar is slightly dfferent at the top (circle). Perhaps knowledgable members might want to comment. BTW, the ticket said Jaipur-Half  Anna.





Weight 14.4 gm Max Dim = 21 mm

Thanks and regards