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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Iran and Afghanistan => Topic started by: maudry on October 15, 2021, 08:52:10 PM

Title: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: maudry on October 15, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
Nice small coins, several die breaks on the obverse.
Year is not clear to me.
Is it 1307/1 or is that what could be a seven a part of the ornamentals and the year 1301?
Size: 17mm
Weight: 0.74gr
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: aws22 on October 15, 2021, 09:27:37 PM
Dear maudry, the date at the bottom of the second photo of your coin is “ 1308 ۱۳۰۸ “ and your coin:
Qajar, Nasir al-Din Shah, AH 1308, AR Shahi, Tehran mint (AH 1264-1314/1848-1896 AD)

Maythem
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: maudry on October 16, 2021, 09:05:39 PM
Thank you very much Maythem for the details about the coin.
Concerning the year, I add a close up of that part.
One with a color.
I believe it could be 1308/1 but not sure.
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: aws22 on October 17, 2021, 04:26:55 AM
Thank you maudry, I agree that it is possible that the date was " 1301 ۱۳۰۱ " then over struck to become  “ 1308 ۱۳۰۸ “. But according to the attached table from an Iranian reference, this possibility is not listed.

Maythem
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: Figleaf on October 17, 2021, 09:23:22 AM
If you compare the knot on the wreath on this coin and on other coins of the same or a similar type, you will see that the knot has two ribbons running diagonally down on either side of the date. On this coin, the right ribbon breaks off just after the knot. To me, the rightmost leg of what you read as an ۸ could actually be part of the ribbon.

I cannot think of a way for the original ribbon to shift down, but I can think of a scenario where either, in an earlier attempt to punch in the last digit of the date, the ribbon was damaged or obliterated by the punch and a botched attempt was made to restore the ribbon or the ribbon was obliterated by the ۱ punch, laid aside as unusable, brought up again as the decade came to an end and the ۱ was overstruck by an ۸. The shape of the left leg does allow for an overstruck ۱ and the two legs coincide so well that would be hardly noticeable, but the scenario calls for a perfectly formed ۸ applied almost perfectly on the ۱.

Peter
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: aws22 on October 17, 2021, 11:07:41 AM
Thank you Peter for noticing the ribbon and your clarification. In that case, the date could be " 1301 ۱۳۰۱ ".

Maythem
Title: Re: Qajar, 1 Shahi Sefid, Nasir al-Din Shah KM#889
Post by: maudry on October 17, 2021, 06:48:54 PM
Thank you for your comments, gentlemen.
Here is another coin of this type with the year AH1301 I would say.
The ornaments on the right are missing but there is also a shadow on the right of the final 1. This could be an uncomplete 5 or some fragments of the ornaments.