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Title: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 02:57:51 AM
You might expect the euro zone to be a logical place, but it's common enough to see its countries issuing collector coins in annoying denominations that were not used just prior to their adoption of the euro: 3 euros, 30 euros, etc. And even euros with fractional parts on the end: 1½ euros in France, 1.5 and 7.5 elsewhere. I thought continental Europe was supposed to be a model of decimalisation. We don't want your stinking fractions, eurozone!

Not only that, Portugal cannot decide whether to use the Continental or the Anglo-Saxon way of denoting decimals. As you know, English-speaking countries use a comma to separate the thousands in a number and a period - known as a decimal point in English - for the decimals.

Ten thousand = 10,000 in England but 10.000 in Germany. And even, I believe, 10'000 in Switzerland.  >:(

In England, 2.6 is two point six. In Germany one writes 2,6 and says 'zwei komma sechs' - 'two comma six'.

Now look at these Portuguese collector euro coins. Where is the consistency?

Not only that, Portugal puts the euro sign at the end. Surely it's supposed to come at the beginning of the figures?

Who can show me an image of a collector euro coin, from a country other than Portugal, that shows the euro sign?
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:48:58 AM
Another couple of questions:

1] Which eurozone countries have used the € symbol on their collector coins?

2] Which eurozone countries have issued collector coins with fractions as part of the denomination, e.g. 1½ or 2,5 ?
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Pabitra on October 10, 2020, 05:06:57 AM

1] Which eurozone countries have used the € symbol on their collector coins?


Finland
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 05:17:31 AM
Thank you, Pabitra.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Pabitra on October 10, 2020, 05:50:50 AM

2] Which eurozone countries have issued collector coins with fractions as part of the denomination, e.g. 1½ or 2,5 ?

Belgium
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 12:56:20 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3143.0;attach=97089;image)

France, 1½ euro.  From the country that brought us decimal measures.

Disgraceful. Expel France from the euro zone.  >:(
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3143.0;attach=97090;image)

Portugal, ¼ euro, 2013.

Disgraceful. Expel Portugal from the euro zone.  >:(
Title: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Bimat on October 10, 2020, 01:03:48 PM
Here's an interesting collector coin from Luxembourg (in my wish list for long time now) which says 700 Euro Cent instead of €7.

Aditya
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 01:07:07 PM
Latvia, 2½ euro, 2017.

Disgraceful. Expel Latvia from the euro zone.  :wicked:
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 01:11:20 PM
Lithuania, 1,5 euro, 2018.

Disgraceful. Expel the Baltic States from the euro zone.  :wall:
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
Austria, 1,50 euro, 2018.

Execrable. Expel Austria from the euro zone.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 01:23:14 PM
Luxembourg 2,50 euro, 2016.

An abomination! It's not even a proper shape.  :o

Expel Luxembourg from the United Nations!
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
Spain, 1,5 euro, 2019.

Picasso, Salvador Dali - and now THIS! 1,5 euro! And COLOURED too. I might have guessed.  :o
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: brandm24 on October 10, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
Here's an interesting collector coin from Luxembourg (in my wish list for long time now) which says 700 Euro Cent instead of €7.

Aditya
I'm confused by the term Euro Cent, Aditya.  Are 700 Euro Cent and 7 Euros the same value?

Bruce
Title: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Bimat on October 10, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
I'm confused by the term Euro Cent, Aditya.  Are 700 Euro Cent and 7 Euros the same value?

Bruce

Yes. 100 Eurocent = €1. :)

Aditya
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45783.0;attach=90837;image)

Monaco, 10 euro, 2019.  Another use of the euro symbol.


Monaco, one of Figleaf's favourite flyspecks.

Full of filthy rich tax exiles who refuse to pay tax in their own countries - the countries they made their money in.

What right does it have to be a country?

Time to return it to Italy, I say.  :o
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 03:58:21 PM
Belgium, 12½ euro, 2019.

12½ euro now. It gets worse.  ::)
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:02:01 PM
Come on, Cyprus. It's decision time! Where do you want the € symbol? In front, or behind?
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: brandm24 on October 10, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
Yes. 100 Eurocent = €1. :)

Aditya
Thanks, Aditya, I should have realized that. Still, expressing the denomination as 700 cents seems odd to me. It would be the same as expressing the value of a US dollar as 100 cents. Accurate, but it would confuse the heck out of everybody.

Bruce
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
Come on, Estonia. It's decision time! Where do you want the € symbol? In front, or behind?

And 7 euro, for goodness' sake. Of what use is that to anyone?
Title: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Bimat on October 10, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
Thanks, Aditya, I should have realized that. Still, expressing the denomination as 700 cents seems odd to me. It would be the same as expressing the value of a US dollar as 100 cents. Accurate, but it would confuse the heck out of everybody.

It's indeed confusing. Fortunately, it's a collector coin (costs anywhere between €120-€150 these days, issue price was €60) so nobody will find it in circulation. Had it been a circulation issue, I am quite sure that someone would have done shopping worth €700 using a single coin and a newspaper headline next morning. ;D

Aditya
Title: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Bimat on October 10, 2020, 04:18:54 PM
And 7 euro, for goodness' sake. Of what use is that to anyone?

Portugal has issued several €7.5 collector coins and you are complaining about €7? ;D (And the base metal versions of those €7.5 coins could be bought for face value at the time of release so you can technically use them as a mode of payment only in Portugal - it's perfectly legal and allowed).

What I find interesting is the use of euro symbol €. Most of the times, it is before the numeric (like €7) and very few instances of using it after the numeric (as it happens with the Estonian 7€ or Portuguese 7.5€).

Aditya
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
And if 7.5 euros wasn't bad enough, now Portugal has stolen the penguins of the Falkland Islands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.  >:(
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
Luxembourg, 10 euro, 2006.

On the rare occasions when Luxembourg has used the euro symbol on its collector coins, it appears at the end of the denomination.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:41:18 PM
Netherlands, 5 euro, 2010 and 2018.

The Netherlands also can't decide where the euro symbol should go.  :o
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
I have concluded my survey.

So far as I can see, Portugal is the only euro zone country that has used the Anglo-Saxon method for showing decimals: 1.5.

Though Portugal has also at times used the Continental way: 1,5.

Somebody (not me!) should make a list of the denominations that each euro zone country has used for its collector coins.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: redlock on October 10, 2020, 08:54:47 PM
Somebody (not me!) should make a list of the denominations that each euro zone country has used for its collector coins.

Indeed, that has already been done!!  ;D

Someone on a German speaking coin collector forum has put the information together.
Am I allowed to post the link to the site on the German forum here on WoC?
If not, please, remove this link:
https://www.emuenzen.de/forum/threads/uebersicht-ueber-die-nominale-der-nationalen-euro-sammlermuenzen.76899/

I think <k> probably likes the €19,18 from Lithuania the most  >:D
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: eurocoin on October 10, 2020, 09:15:14 PM
Am I allowed to post the link to the site on the German forum here on WoC?

Of course. In contrary to that other forum, WoC doesn't have a rule that forbids members to link to other forums.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 11:13:13 PM
Indeed, that has already been done!!  ;D

Someone on a German speaking coin collector forum has put the information together.

Excellent. Thank you for the link.

Quote
I think <k> probably likes the €19,18 from Lithuania the most  >:D

It's a total obscenity!  :anger: 

I see there is a symbolism in the number, though - it refers to the year 1918.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: <k> on October 10, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
I think <k> probably likes the €19,18 from Lithuania the most  >:D

So, look at what redlock has written above.



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49556.0;attach=103153;image)

Now look at how the euro amount is expressed above on that Portuguese coin.

Which is correct, and why? Does it vary from country to country?
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: Pabitra on October 11, 2020, 04:10:53 AM
Thanks, Aditya, I should have realized that. Still, expressing the denomination as 700 cents seems odd to me. It would be the same as expressing the value of a US dollar as 100 cents. Accurate, but it would confuse the heck out of everybody.

Bruce

The coin was issued to commemorate 700th Anniversary hence they took the liberty of issuing a 700 Euro cent coin. A 700 Euro coin would have impossible to sell.
There is a recent trend to issue collector coins in denomination matching anniversary years.
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: brandm24 on October 11, 2020, 11:41:05 AM
Thanks, Pabitra. That makes sense then.

Bruce
Title: Re: Denominational anomalies of the euro collector coins
Post by: chrisild on October 19, 2020, 12:01:15 PM
Keep in mind that many of those "odd figures" are due to the fact that euro collector coins can, by law, not have the same denominations as circulation and commemorative coins. Ah well, since the collector pieces are not supposed to be used for everyday payments anyway (and most of them are surcharged pieces), that does not really matter. ;)

I think that the idea, initially, was that the national mints would simply issue collector coins with high denominations. This way you would have had the 1 cent to 2 euro "range" for circulating pieces, and €5, €10, etc. could have been for collector coins. Well, some mints came up with lower face values very soon, issuing brass or Cu-Ni 1.50 or 2.50 pieces. And it went on from there. When Austria started issuing their glow-in-the-dark pieces, they picked €3 as the denomination for that series ...

Christian