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Modern European coins except the euro => Spain, Portugal => Gibraltar => Topic started by: eurocoin on July 16, 2020, 07:09:16 PM

Title: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 16, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
I have come acros these images of an alleged COVID-19 commemorative 50p coin of Gibraltar. They were released by coin dealer LPM in Hong Kong. Allegedly 100,000 pieces will be produced. The piece looks very crude. It does not depict the Pobjoy mintmark. The portrait of Queen Elizabeth II is also not included on it, although it is known that Gibraltar has recently issued certain collectors coins without it. The technical specifications of the piece are the same as those used for normal 50 pence coins.

The Government of Gibraltar has not (yet?) given approval for the release of a coin like this. It is well possible that it is a fantasy piece although the information originates from a reliable major coin dealer.

I have enquired at the Gibraltar National Mint and Pobjoy Mint about it.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=100933;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=100934;image)

Information via: Peter Rogers on Facebook group Coins, Coins, Coins / LPM
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 17, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
Pobjoy Mint informed me that this is not a product they have produced or will be issuing. They also mentioned that it is not upto their quality standard. ;) I am still awaiting a reply of the Gibraltar National Mint.

While looking at it I also noticed that the stripe between COVID and 19 is missing. The official spelling is of course COVID-19.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: <k> on July 17, 2020, 09:28:01 PM
At first I assumed the human was Elton John with his big glasses!  :D
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 19, 2020, 02:09:59 PM
I think the coin is an official release although nobody knows where they were produced nor who will distribute them. I just came across these images of the packaging in which the BU coins are going to be sold. The type of packaging looks like the one The Royal Mint uses.

One piece is listed on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020VERY-RARE-GIBRALTAR-COMMEMORATIVE-50P-COIN-GLOBAL-FIGHT-AGAINST-THE-PANDEMIC/333659230718?hash=item4dafa3d1fe:g:yXoAAOSwEtlfE2oE) with the starting bid set at 1,000 pounds.
 
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=100983;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=100984;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=100985;image)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: andyg on July 19, 2020, 08:33:12 PM
I was going to write something along the lines of "what an odd way to release a coin" - but then this is an issue from Gibraltar... ::)

Mintage is "limited to 100,000" apparently.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: Figleaf on July 19, 2020, 09:12:07 PM
Trying hard to believe it is impossible that the Llantrissant mint would call Gibraltar a "British UK Overseas Territory".

Peter
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 19, 2020, 10:55:18 PM
Yes, I do not think this was made by The Royal Mint but just the card and plastic packaging bears resemblance to that used by The Royal Mint for its BU coins.

In terms of quality this piece and its packaging is not similar to that of any mint Gibraltar is known to have worked with in the past. The spelling error 'chalenges' that appears twice on the packaging is bad too. It almost looks as if Gibraltar now has a contract with some Chinese private mint to produce its coins. Hopefully the government of Gibraltar will tomorrow reply to my questions because this is getting rather bizarre.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 21, 2020, 12:38:51 PM
The owner of the piece listed on eBay claims he found it in his change while shopping in London. Now, the piece does look circulated but..
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 21, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
It appears there are 2 variants of the coin. It seems that the pieces in the BU packs depict the spelling error commemerate while at least a part of the pieces produced for general circulation depict the corrected word commemorate. There are also several spelling errors on the packaging of the BU packs.

All of the pieces also depict a spelling error in that the official name of the virus is COVID-19, so with stripe. The pieces depict 'COVID 19'.

Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: FosseWay on July 21, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
This coin "commemorates" a disease that is easily transmissible through close contact with other people. Much of the advice and regulation these past six months has focused on getting people not to have close contact with other people. So the obvious choice of illustration for the packaging is to get eight people in a circle an arm's length from each other, holding hands...  ::)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: chrisild on July 22, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
Yeah, that folder photo is an odd choice indeed. ::)  As for the design of the coin, it looks a little (too) busy but is basically OK in my opinion. As for the spelling of the disease name, I have seen "COVID-19" (all caps, with dash), "Covid 19" (no dash), even CoViD ... As long as we all keep in mind that it does not mean "China Overseas Virus Disease", we can and should be flexible.

Christian
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on September 04, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
The legislative procedure in regard of this coin has a few minutes ago been completed. It is now official legal tender of Gibraltar.

The coin is likely the first in a series of COVID-19 related coins of Gibraltar.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: Deeman on September 13, 2020, 10:57:40 AM
This is from the Tower Mint site:

Gibraltar COVID-19 50p Collection
At the end of 2019, news began to emerge from China that a deadly virus had been identified in the deaths of a significant number of people. As the days continued and the news of growing fatalities reached the rest of the world, it very quickly became clear that this was a serious disease that needed to be contained, and quickly to flatten the spiking curve of mortality.

In the coming weeks and months, the disease spread violently across the planet, and the subsequent effects changed the lives of everyone in Corona’s path. However, as people began to isolate themselves, to protect themselves and their loved ones, an army of key and essential workers were pushed to the very front lines of the day-to-day battle in efforts to protect, and treat those worst affected.

In March 2020, COVID-19 was declared a global pandemic, and health care services around the world were put under unprecedented pressures dealing with the volume of patients. Others not on the front-line, but providing services that kept countries and nations functioning also went out of their way to adapt and help those most affected. Everyone from doctors, nurses, chemists, and NHS staff to supermarket grocers and school staff kept working whilst juggling tough isolation, distancing, and cleanliness measures, putting themselves at risk to keep daily life as normal as possible.

To pay tribute to the international workforce, Tower Mint Ltd working with our partner LPM Group and on behalf of the Gibraltar National Mint and the Government of Gibraltar – have issued a Coat of Arms commemorative 50p coin to celebrate all of the individuals that have played a part in ‘flattening the curve’, whether on the front lines, or staying at home.

Tower Mint Ltd. produced this Gibraltar Government approved Coat of Arms commemorative 50p coin in June 2020, by our dedicated minting team in London, United Kingdom.

The commemorative coin depicts representations of key workers, standing in front of a hospital, quite literally, on the front line. The coin includes an inscription, ‘to commemorate the global fight against COVID-19’ underlines by a message of strength, ‘WE UNITE AS ONE, 2020’.

Our partner LPM Group are the official distributor of the collection.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on October 08, 2020, 09:39:45 AM
According to a contact, Tower Mint outsourced the production of the COVID-19 coins to the Sunshine Mint branch in Shanghai, China. That appears to be where things went wrong.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on November 22, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
One of the error coins with the lettering 'commemerate' is now for sale on eBay here (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254778045175?fbclid=IwAR0QHTL1c6bcKGexKybxG0EWZVyO6thDikvqmfBmEAuc1JbDKvkNAXM2T68). If anyone is interested, I would act quickly. I expect that not many of these will have escaped the mint and the price of 200 pounds appears by all means reasonable.

The COVID-19 50p coins with the correct lettering are more common, though still very rare. No release in bulk has so far happened and, as the year's end is nearing, it remains to be seen if that will still happen.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: mmiguel on January 25, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
Got mine after a looong shipping and well, looks a bit better than I thought. These coins are starting to appear in eBay at 50 pounds, in other online shops are below 25 euros as of today... The blister says mintage 100,000 which feels to me a lot for a non circulating 50p.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 26, 2021, 09:37:04 AM
Does your piece have the error?
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: mmiguel on January 26, 2021, 03:20:49 PM
No, it doesn't. Seller (from Hong Kong) clearly had no idea about this, as the pictures in the ad showed coins with and without the error.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 26, 2021, 05:32:38 PM
No, it doesn't. Seller (from Hong Kong) clearly had no idea about this, as the pictures in the ad showed coins with and without the error.

I see, that's a pity. Some who order from Hong Kong still receive error coins, while others who ordered there received correct ones.
Title: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: Bimat on January 26, 2021, 05:45:38 PM
According to a contact, Tower Mint outsourced the production of the COVID-19 coins to the Sunshine Mint branch in Shanghai, China. That appears to be where things went wrong.

Are you kidding me? You give contract to strike the Covid-19 themed coin to a company based in...CHINA? This is wrong, ironical and laughable on so many fronts!

Aditya
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 28, 2021, 10:57:13 AM
This coin was originally going to be part of a series of 50 pence coins related to COVID-19. It remains unknown whether the other planned coins will still ever be issued.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: gordarpi on March 02, 2021, 04:49:19 AM
Thanks for answering one of the questions I was about to ask when I studied the GiB laws the other day, however I am still wondering whether there was any mintage of precious metal versions as envisaged in the relevant notice.

According to guys in Hong Kong there is no information about such coins anywhere, although the original intention might have indicated to issue silver and gold variants as well.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on March 02, 2021, 10:26:30 AM
In Gibraltar and the Isle of Man it is common that the specific legislation for each coin also mentions the possibility to produce several variants, most of which are never actually being produced. Usually the precious metals versions are not actually being minted. That may very well be the case here too.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: gordarpi on March 04, 2021, 12:19:04 AM
Thanks for the explanation, appreciated. Again learnt something new. I have then paid too much of attention to the wording containing "shall", which I rather interpreted as a mandatory action than something optional. Anyway since Pobjoy has the luxury of minting silver editions - naturally by authorization and on behalf of BOTs, including for GiB - I would have hoped at least for that. Let's hope there will be at least a second issue in the series.

Since I like aviation I could appreciate an A400/C130 delivering a pallet of vaccines and pictured on the military apron with the Rock's north face in the background towering above the airport. Motto could be "Joint logistics action against Covid" :)

Is there any right contact where I can submit my idea to? Perhaps the office of Mr. Picardo or the straight to the treasury?     
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: Figleaf on March 04, 2021, 07:22:43 AM
Careful, an A400 could take off from Gibraltar airport in mediocre meteorological circumstances, but a C130 would need more runway than Gibraltar has to offer.

Peter
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: eurocoin on March 04, 2021, 09:46:27 AM
I have then paid too much of attention to the wording containing "shall",

Yes.

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Is there any right contact where I can submit my idea to? Perhaps the office of Mr. Picardo or the straight to the treasury?     

I do not think so. Mr Picardo will have little to do with coins. The Treasury or people like Joe Bossano will have more responsibilities in regard of coins. However, since it is extremely difficult to get hold of anyone at the government of Gibraltar as, from my personal experience, the Treasury and the office of Mr Bossano virtually never reply to emails, I am really not sure if it would be worth the hassle. But anyway, feel free to give it a try but know that the chances they will bother to read it, let alone do something with your idea, are slim to none. It is a good idea though and I think a coin like that would fit well with the other coin and would prove popular amongst collectors.

Alternatively you can maybe send your idea to mints like Tower Mint or Pobjoy Mint. Of course you are then unlikely to get credit for it would they indeed issue a coin like that but I think the chances of success that a coin like the one you described will be issued is then much higher. In general the mints have better direct contact with the Government.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: gordarpi on March 09, 2021, 02:04:01 AM
Careful, an A400 could take off from Gibraltar airport in mediocre meteorological circumstances, but a C130 would need more runway than Gibraltar has to offer.

Peter

Although I am not an expert to the point of judging the exact capabilities of the C130, but they seem to be regular visitors to GIB:
https://twitter.com/RAF_Gib/status/1355618288609472514

In addition to that there is an interesting story about a trial once thought to be impossible:
https://www.avgeekery.com/watch-a-kc-130f-hercules-operates-from-an-aircraft-carrier-flight-deck/
and there are still a few captains out there with similar skills. I am just unsure whether letting an Osprey or an F-35C - in light of their poor safety performance - in is safer than the C130 on the deck ;)

Since I am venturing afar from the topic I would suggest another 50p coin in memory of the once GIB "guateguard", the mighty Jaguar GR.1 -> https://www.chronicle.gi/raf-jaguar-set-to-leave-gib-after-11-years/. Unfortunately I heard they scrapped her in the end.
 
I could be a complete GiB 50p aviation series ;)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: gordarpi on March 09, 2021, 02:15:33 AM
Alternatively you can maybe send your idea to mints like Tower Mint or Pobjoy Mint. Of course you are then unlikely to get credit for it would they indeed issue a coin like that but I think the chances of success that a coin like the one you described will be issued is then much higher. In general the mints have better direct contact with the Government.

Thanks so much for the advice, will try my luck then with Tower Mint or ask for guidance from the treasury. I wouldn't care about the credit in case it would prove to become a design collectors would treasure or be interested in.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: Figleaf on March 09, 2021, 08:05:38 AM
The Gibraltar airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_International_Airport) runway has a length of 1776 meters (5 827 ft). This source (https://www.eol.ucar.edu/system/files/c130.investigators_handbook.chapter3.pdf) says: The runway required for a fully loaded Hercules (155,000 lb) at sea level with zero wind and a temperature of 15°C is 6,300 ft. In other words, the C130 needs either a bit of favourable wind or less than full load to use the Gibraltar runway safely.

I am aware of the carrier test. IIRC, the C130 in question (specially equipped) can use the hooks and grapples, but not the catapult.

Peter
Title: Re: Gibraltar: COVID-19 50 pence 2020
Post by: gordarpi on March 09, 2021, 09:09:48 PM
The Gibraltar airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_International_Airport) runway has a length of 1776 meters (5 827 ft). This source (https://www.eol.ucar.edu/system/files/c130.investigators_handbook.chapter3.pdf) says: The runway required for a fully loaded Hercules (155,000 lb) at sea level with zero wind and a temperature of 15°C is 6,300 ft. In other words, the C130 needs either a bit of favourable wind or less than full load to use the Gibraltar runway safely.

I am aware of the carrier test. IIRC, the C130 in question (specially equipped) can use the hooks and grapples, but not the catapult.

Peter

Hi Peter,

[a bit more off topic]
Indeed in some cases payload restrictions must apply, but I have been taught by friends in military aviation that their operations are very different from what we are used to in the civilian sphere.  I only saw reports on the RAF GiB twitter of C130s transiting in/out of African or other operation theatres, but I have no doubt that they all respect strict safety rules, especially that GiB is a very special airport in term of its location, meteorological conditions as well as it dual use.

I am not into the details of aircraft carrier operations, but I recall Fat Albert's Jet Assisted Takeoffs, which I unfortunately never managed to catch at an airshow.
[/off topic]

Now I will try to rather submit the idea to the mint ;)

Arpad