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Title: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on April 06, 2020, 10:24:29 PM
We all seem to have some time on our hands - even those still going to work cannot go out at other times - so to combat the boredom over the next few weeks I've redone the annual new year competition with a twist.  It's extra hard this time....

I've taken a coin from each decade since 1500,  so the question is - Which country, state or territory are they from and can you match the coin to the decade?  Some coins were probably issued in over two or more decades but it should be possible to pin down which decade my coin is from by working out those at a similar time.  I'll leave this up for two weeks or so, then throw it open to the forum for answers to be posted in the thread.  So then - how many do you know?

Just to make this a little trickier still I've hidden some legends and dates, so the answers take a bit more effort than a single google search.

Good luck!

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/w/images/a/a3/Comp1a.jpg)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on April 06, 2020, 10:44:15 PM
Fine thought, andyg. Thank you!

Here's a little trick that may help ... perhaps.

Click the image with the alternative mouse button. A menu opens. Choose "Open image in new tab". Click new tab. You can click on the miniature to see the image in its full glory, centred on the place where you clicked. This works on a Mac but is not tested on a PC.

I'll throw in a prize for the first WoC member coming up with the highest number of correct answers: a neat silver 2½ gulden piece of the Netherlands.

At your catalogues!

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: malj1 on April 07, 2020, 01:29:14 AM

Here's a little trick that may help ... perhaps.

Click the image with the alternative mouse button. A menu opens. Choose "Open image in new tab". Click new tab. You can click on the miniature to see the image in its full glory, centred on the place where you clicked. This works on a Mac but is not tested on a PC.

Peter

Sadly no luck with a PC here is the alternative result.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on April 07, 2020, 07:17:31 AM
Andyg didn't say it, so I shall:

Please do not give solutions in this thread

Send your answers to andyg in private.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on April 07, 2020, 07:57:46 AM
Your challenge is to find as many as you can - I doubt anyone will get 100% - as I say something to do in the next few weeks.....
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on April 10, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
Yay!

Thank you for this! This is gonna be so hard as most of it it's outside my usual interests. At first sight could only identify around 5. Will see...
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: eurocoin on April 10, 2020, 04:55:37 PM
Great competition. For some pieces 'terribly tricky' is an understatement.  :o
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on April 11, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
Got up to 18, but a bit stuck now. I like the great variety of the coins.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on April 16, 2020, 10:13:08 PM
This is proving as tricky as I anticipated.....

Anyone else wish to enter?

Closing date I think we'll make 23:59 April 30th but if anyone would like longer open to suggestions.
No one (so far) has each coin identified.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on April 17, 2020, 04:48:24 PM
I will be submitting an entry, although I can't do squiggly blobs.  :-\
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: SpaBreda on April 19, 2020, 12:19:19 PM
I think I found 38 of them …
Miss most of the Arabic/indians …

Won't give up just yet  ;)

Great puzzle and some amazing coins !!

Paul.

Stay Safe !
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: velind on April 20, 2020, 07:36:54 AM
Phew!  :o

This is tougher than tough!!!  :o

30 down 23 to go. The coins are appearing in my dreams too......

Thanks for the quiz. Good way to spend time in this lockdown (extended till May 7th in my area)


Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: velind on April 28, 2020, 07:19:20 PM
This is really terrible........   :o

8 more to go and I ran out of patience  :(

Giving up  :-[ 
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: SpaBreda on April 28, 2020, 07:36:07 PM
Know exactly how you feel …   :o

Am down to 5 ! … but no ideas anymore where to look for them  :P

Paul.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on April 28, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
Haha. Have been stuck for last 10 days in the last few 5. No idea where to continue, so I just made a last shot and surrendered haha
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on April 28, 2020, 11:22:43 PM
There are 10 squiggly blobs, so I am (fairly) happy only to have failed on 9. That's one better than I expected.   :-\
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on April 30, 2020, 06:55:09 PM
Competition closes end of today,
Last orders please :)

I'll publish the results when I get home from work tomorrow.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on April 30, 2020, 09:46:19 PM
Whilst nobody has the full set I now have correct identifications for each coin from someone,  so I've not caught you out by finding something unidentifiable >:(
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on May 01, 2020, 12:08:25 AM
Whilst nobody has the full set I now have correct identifications for each coin from someone,  so I've not caught you out by finding something unidentifiable >:(

Well, you caught us all out individually. As a collective, I think that would prove tough on WOC.  ;)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 01, 2020, 08:40:22 AM
Whilst nobody has the full set I now have correct identifications for each coin from someone,  so I've not caught you out by finding something unidentifiable >:(

That is very satisfactory. WoC pretends to cover all numismatics and here we have evidence that we can more than (think of the red spots) live up to that expectation at a minimum for coins of the last three centuries.

Congratulations to andyg for coming up with another Great Game, to the individual participants for accepting the Coin Challenge and to the group of participants for using their hobby, knowledge and experience to resists the Vicious Virus. You are all winners.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
The top four are as follows (hopefully my counting is good)....

Mrbadexample minus 9 points.
Velind minus 8 points
mmiguel minus 4 points
and Spabreda on minus 2 points

So the winner is Spabreda :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on May 01, 2020, 08:47:27 PM
Congratulations!!

I had absolutely no clue on the 'arab-script' coins (1, 31 and 46). Guessed they were Indian states or something similar, but absolutely no clue.

However, never found coin 51 which apparently didn't look too complicated!!
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on May 01, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
However, never found coin 51 which apparently didn't look too complicated!!

Took me a long, long time that one.

Congratulations Spabreda, to get all bar two is incredible.  :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 09:49:35 PM
These coins should be titled "a few coins from unusual issuers*"  (*with a few exceptions)
The modern coins in general presented no problems... it's not until we get back further that things get terribly tricky.

So in date order...

The 2020's.

A US state quarter from the National Park series for American Samoa.
Why did I choose this one?  Is it because bats are topical at the moment?  No, it's because I received it in change here in the UK for a 10 pence coin a few weeks ago :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on May 01, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
And I guess not so many circulating coins have been issued in 2020!

Together with the ones I missed, I found so hard to find number 8. Completely misleading coin and date. Randomly appeared while searching, but I would have never guessed where it was from.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 09:58:54 PM
The 2010's

This is a 50 cent from Andorra.
Andorra issued it's first coins in the early 1980's but these were collector coins and it wasn't until 2014 that circulation coins were issued.  They are of course tricky to find in your change so I though a good contender for this competition.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
The 2000's

A coin from Libya, a quarter dinar.
Quite a minimalist design I think and the date uses an odd system which caused Krause some confusion as they initially placed these in the wrong catalogue. 1369 corresponds to 2001 of course, but these ended up in the 1901-2000 catalogue.  So even the experts find these tricky coins tricky ;D
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 10:24:56 PM
The 1990's

A 200 Lire from the Vatican.
Quite an out of character design when taken in isolation.  I wondered if it would be found tricky.
Part of a series of coins for 1992 called "Christian Vision".  Also unusual as the date is in Roman numerals,  I always wonder why this tradition didn't carry on to the Euro coin series.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 10:37:33 PM
The 1980's

A 50 Bipkwele from Equatorial Guinea.
These were either issued in small quantities or not issued for general circulation, the gentleman on the back is Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, who is still dictating today some 40 years later.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 10:57:34 PM
The 1970's

Mozambique 1975 50 Centimos.
I always wondered about the font used on this for "centimos" looks fairly modern even now.
These were of course never issued for circulation, but large enough quantities escaped for them to be not all that tricky to find.  Except the 2½ Meticais which I never have found.  The "ears" are Cashew nuts apparently.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
The 1960's

A leopard couchant from the short lived state of Biafra,  2½ is an unusual denomination if you don't appreciate they still used £SD - it mush be the only half crown equivalent in aluminium.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 11:16:39 PM
the 1950's

A 50 Franken from Saarland, with some chimneys polluting the atmosphere.  Possibly not a design that will stand up well in years to come.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 11:23:27 PM
The 1940's

A 5 Halierov from Slovakia.  Only issued in 1942, it is the key type to collecting the set, which suggests there wasn't all that much demand for them when they were issued.  A coat of arms, a name and date and the value - what more do you need from a design?
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 11:31:04 PM
The 1930's

A 5 Chiao from Meng Chiang, issued by the Japanese as an occupation issue.  The first coin I chose without any English.  Krause says "legend in floral design" but it's nicer than the description would depict.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 01, 2020, 11:45:54 PM
The 1920's

The first terribly tricky one :)

This is a 500 Manat (Uzbek) or Roubles (Russian) from the Khorezm Peoples Soviet Republic.  There are several different varieties of these - and this is one not pictured in Krause.  Inscriptions are in Uzbek and for a bit of a clue in the competition I left the date AH1340 visible...  These were made from flans cut out of cast and manually flattened sheets with hand cut dies.

I will post some more tomorrow....
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on May 02, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
The 1920's
Inscriptions are in Uzbek and for a bit of a clue in the competition I left the date AH1340 visible... 


You did?  :o Where is it please someone?  ???
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
The 1910's

A 1 centavo from the state of Durango (Mexico), a short lived series issued during the civil war.  I presume these were only good in Durango.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
here  ;D
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:04:54 AM
The 1900's

A 5 Kronen from Liechtenstein.
An impressive coin, the design places it in the pre war era.  Liechtenstein is unusual in that it no longer issues coins for circulation.  What is between the date numerals?  I presume a golden fleece?
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
The 1890's

A 2½ piastres from Sudan (Omdurman mint)
Struck in billon so presumably it would have looked more like silver when it was issued.
The 20 piastres are fairly common, but these little coins are tricky to find, so presumably were never used as much.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
The 1880's

Another African coin - a Belgian Congo 2 Francs 1887.  Presumably these were used by the European colonisers rather than the locals.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
The 1870's

A cent from Prince Edward Island,  the Island didn't enter the confederation until 1873.  Krause says "Trees within beaded circle" but there must be more to the design than this.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
the 1860's

A terribly tricky one.  It's a Pitis from Patani, a Malay state in Siam.  The date AH1284 is buried within the text somewhere.  There is still an ongoing campaign for this state to be re-established as a Malay state.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 02, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
What is between the date numerals?  I presume a golden fleece?

It is the insigna of the order of the golden fleece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Fleece#Austrian_(Habsburg)_order). It is hanging from a chain around the arms. The Liechtenstein family has the right to wear the decoration, because it is considered hereditary.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 02, 2020, 12:52:06 PM
Krause says "Trees within beaded circle" but there must be more to the design than this.

The design is taken from the seal of the PEI. The large oak tree is the UK, the three small trees sicking together are the three PE islands. The motto PARVA SUB INGENTI (the small under the Great) makes it clear that the PEI policy of the time is to stick with the UK, not the rest of Canada.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:20:02 PM
The 1850's

Apologies for the delay - I just had to count my stockpiled toilet paper again :)

A Fiorino, 1859, from Tuscany.  A rather nice design.  Just in case on receiving a coin in change you were not sure what a Fiorino was it says "100 Quattrini"
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:26:13 PM
The 1840's

Danish west indies, 10 Skilling 1845.
Value in roman numerals, quite unusual nowadays.  The other side has a coat of arms, nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
The 1830's

A terribly tricky one - but identified by Velind :)

A falus, perhaps maybe, but definitely from Isfahan, AH1251.
I bought this many years ago - even then it was quite expensive.  I've never seen another though.
The side with the legend always appears to me to be struck with dies intended for silver coins, whilst the other side has two magnificent lions sunning themselves.  I suspect it's been overstruck - possibly over a Russian 2 kopeks, although I've never worked out exactly what.  This coin is not in Krause (no surprise) but there are a few countermarked versions on Zeno if you know where to look :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
The 1820's

A quarter real, 1820 from Santa Marta.
A siege piece issued by the royalists under siege from the republicans.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
The 1810's

A duit from the short lived estate of Maluka, in the Netherlands East Indies,  the area was repossessed by the Dutch in 1818.  There are a number of different types of these - this design is perhaps the commonest.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
The 1800's

Possibly the most terribly tricky of them all - but Spabreda worked this one out.

It's from Srinagar - dated VS1861, but beyond this I do not know.  Srinagar was under control of Garhwal, so it might be an issue from there.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:06:48 PM
The 1790's

Poland, Galicia & Lodomeria (in Krause), Grossus, 1794 - these were used by the Austrian army during the Kościuszko uprising.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:12:04 PM
The 1780's

Malaysia, Penang, Pice, 1787
Issued by the British East India company.
This particular coin has the last 7 in the date inverted.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
the 1770's

Moldavia & Wallachia, 3 Dengi, 1772
Issued by the Russians for use in territory captured from the Turks.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:29:37 PM
The 1760's

Malta, 15 Tari, 1761.
A nice pictorial design of St John the Baptist
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:34:30 PM
The 1750's

Quarter Thaler from Bern, 1759
I'd never looked at this properly till just now - and not realised the monogram is made up of B's....
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
The 1740's

Paderborn, 4 Pfennig, 1743
Value on both sides and a really complicated coat of arms.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
the 1730's

An Isle of Man penny, 1733
These were likely struck in Castletown IOM,  they disappeared from use on the island and reappeared in Ireland, being substantially better coins than those the Irish used.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
The 1720's

Liard, 1724, Bishopric of Liege
Nowadays the term "sede vacant" is more associated with the Vatican, here we have a portrait of St Lambert.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on May 02, 2020, 09:20:05 PM
The 1830's

A terribly tricky one - but identified by Velind :)

A falus, perhaps maybe, but definitely from Isfahan, AH1251.
I bought this many years ago - even then it was quite expensive.  I've never seen another though.
The side with the legend always appears to me to be struck with dies intended for silver coins, whilst the other side has two magnificent lions sunning themselves.  I suspect it's been overstruck - possibly over a Russian 2 kopeks, although I've never worked out exactly what.  This coin is not in Krause (no surprise) but there are a few countermarked versions on Zeno if you know where to look :)

This is one of a few where I really didn't expect what was on the other side.  :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 09:59:50 PM
The 1710's

Another Bishopric (these seem to have gone out of fashion) - this time Basel (Switzerland)
A 20 Kreuzer 1716
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:06:19 PM
The 1700's

4 Pfennig, Rietberg, 1703 - A countship close by to Paderborn.
I've been unable to find out what the "hearts" are in the coat of arms.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
The 1690's

A 640 reis from Brazil, 1696.
Just how does one cope with values of 640?
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:25:48 PM
The 1680's

A liard from Flanders, 1685.
We all thought this was issued earlier than the 1680's - it looks like it should have been :)

Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
The 1670's

Another coin that looks far older than it is,  this is a Croat from Barcelona - 1675.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 02, 2020, 11:27:24 PM
The 1660's

A Soldo from Casale (Italy), 1661
I usually associate sunfaces with Central America and Iran - but here we have one from Europe....

I will try to post the remainder tomorrow, as we go back further in time.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
The 1650's

The most terribly tricky European coin I found,
a 3 pfennig from Saxe-Weimar 1652

It commemorates the rebuilding of the ducal palace, or perhaps they were sold to fund the rebuilding.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
The 1640's

A double tournois 1642 from the French principality of Boisbelle & Henrichmont
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:06:44 AM
The 1630's

3 Kreuzer - 1637 - Glatz
We had a bit of a discussion as to where this is from.  It's was certainly was minted in Glatz under the Hapsburgs, Krause has that under Bohemia, other catalogues place in Silesia.   I imagine these 3 Kr were good across the empire?  ps.  Does anyone know of any good catalogues for this part if the world?
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:12:37 AM
The 1620's

Very minimalist this one.  Even with the entire coin pictured there is not much to go on.
A 3 pfennig from the German state of Anhalt, 1622
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:16:38 AM
The 1610's

Another French coin, a 2 Liards from Bouillon & Sedan
Some care went into the striking of this one though.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 03, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Just how does one cope with values of 640?

The same way one copes with a pound of 240 pennies: by creating a double or even triple unit of account. In the case of Brazil under Peter II, 80 reis (a Portuguese coin) was 1 real (a Spanish coin). Divide denominations by 80 and not only do you get perfectly good denominations, you can also use Spanish colonial coins in circulation.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:21:33 AM
The 1600's

Another 3 Kreuzer, 1607 - this one is from Silesia-Liegnitz-Brieg which can be found under Germany.
This one has the titles of joint rulers - Johann Christian and Georg Rudolph.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 03, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
I've been unable to find out what the "hearts" are in the coat of arms.

They are water lilies. In the name Rietberg, Riet means reed, indicating the watery character of the local landscape.  The water lillies symbolise the ponds and marshes in the area.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
The 1590's

A duit from Zwolle, 1596
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:30:22 AM
The 1580's

A Maley Groschen from Bohemia, 1584.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
The 1570's

French again, but this time France proper.
A Teston from 1576
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 03, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
I imagine these 3 Kr were good across the empire?

Almost. The Southern Netherlands had their own system and coins.

  ps.  Does anyone know of any good catalogues for this part if the world?

The current one is Austria Katalog (https://www.weltbild.at/artikel/buch/austria-katalog-muenzen-oesterreich-2018_23636344-1), starting in 1745. Older ones are covered in an out-of print multi volume catalogue (sorry, forgot the title). Even a single volume is very expensive.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 03, 2020, 11:43:09 AM
I can't yet send the prize to SpaBreda, but at least here's a picture.

Peter
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: SpaBreda on May 03, 2020, 12:39:23 PM
Thanx Peter ! Great looking coin !!

I think I will remember some of these coins for the rest of my life ...  ;D

Thanx again Andy for a great quiz !

And congratulations to all the other winners ... respect !

Paul.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on May 03, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
The 1650's

The most terribly tricky European coin I found,
a 3 pfennig from Saxe-Weimar 1652

It commemorates the rebuilding of the ducal palace, or perhaps they were sold to fund the rebuilding.

Why was this coin hard to find? I don' get it. Got to a point where I was pretty sure it had something to do with Saxony due to the coat of arms, but never found it...

I can't find it on Krause, how is it listed?

Btw, do we have stats about the most unguessed coins?

Regards
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 01:32:22 PM
Why was this coin hard to find? I don' get it. Got to a point where I was pretty sure it had something to do with Saxony due to the coat of arms, but never found it...

I can't find it on Krause, how is it listed?


Not sure why it was so tricky - but out of all the European coins I chose this took longest to find for everyone.
Below is the listing from Krause.  It can be found under Saxe-Weimar.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mmiguel on May 03, 2020, 02:14:02 PM
So, it seems it's not in Numista neither in Krause World Coins...
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:24:37 PM
So, it seems it's not in Numista neither in Krause World Coins...

The scan is from page 859 of my 6th ed 1601-1700 Krause ???
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:34:07 PM
The 1560's

A 2 Dinar, 1569 from Lithuania
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
The 1550's

This impressive dam is from the Mughal mint at Narnol, dated AH962
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
The 1540's

A Prussian Groschen, 1544.
Mrbadexample complained that it could not be pinned down to a decade (I'd not realised that it ran concurently with the next coin),  however with a bit of creativity it could - the mintmasters symbol, a cloverleaf just after "PRVSS" was only used in the 1540's and 1550's - and we already have the coin from the 1550's :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
The 1530's

A Denar from Hungary, 1533.  Kremnitz mint, Madonna and child. These are surprisingly common.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
The 1520's

A Mangir from Egypt, dated AH926.
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 03:07:43 PM
The 1510's

Sultans of Gujarat, 1½ Falus, AH918   (G170)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 03:12:24 PM
... and finally  :)

The 1500's

2 Kreuzer, Bavaria, 1506.

I hope you have enjoyed this little tour of coins by decade, some of them were indeed terribly tricky to work out where they are from!
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: mrbadexample on May 03, 2020, 03:22:24 PM

Mrbadexample complained observed that it could not be pinned down to a decade

No complaints here my friend. ;)

I wouldn't have thought to check mint marks. As always though, I can't attempt one of your quizzes without learning something. Usually several things. I'll probably be coming back later with more questions about the ones I couldn't get, too. :)
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: andyg on May 03, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
I'd not thought of the mintmasters marks either until it was pointed out that the Prussian coin could not be pinned to a decade, it certainly wasn't planned!
Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: velind on May 03, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
The 1540's

A Prussian Groschen, 1544.
Mrbadexample complained that it could not be pinned down to a decade (I'd not realised that it ran concurently with the next coin),  however with a bit of creativity it could - the mintmasters symbol, a cloverleaf just after "PRVSS" was only used in the 1540's and 1550's - and we already have the coin from the 1550's :)

Is this an error coin ?





Title: Re: The terribly tricky lockdown competition
Post by: Figleaf on May 03, 2020, 06:45:25 PM
The one on Numista got the N right, so this is indeed an error. Similar errors are more often made, as dies were cut in mirror image.

Peter