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Modern European coins except the euro => Spain, Portugal => Gibraltar => Topic started by: eurocoin on November 15, 2019, 11:03:53 AM

Title: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on November 15, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
Over 20 years after the first series was issued, Gibraltar will be issuing a new Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series either later this year or next year. The series will consist of 12 coins. The original series is highly sought after and worth thousands of pounds.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on November 25, 2019, 02:22:26 PM
The first coin in the series has just been released. The entire mintage of 1,750 pieces sold out in no-time.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on November 25, 2019, 07:18:15 PM
I received email but when checked the PM website it was already sold out... I understand that Breast Cancer coin was issued only to the local peoples but why Hercules series produced by private mint has so low mintage... very strange for me. I guess they can sell without problem minimum 10.000 coins in the same issue price...
Even if there is sufficiant number of 2 pound coins in circulation in Gibraltar, I guess it will be also no problem to issue more coins because most of these coins will never end in circularion but in collections across the world.

Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Col1n666 on November 25, 2019, 07:31:58 PM
I was lucky enough to be able to get one. Website was very slow though. I looked on eBay for the breast cancer coin but it is selling for £200+!!!
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on November 25, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
First coin in the series can be seen below. The exact same reverse designs are being used on the coins as on the ones issued 20 years ago.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=95759;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=95760;image)

Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on December 06, 2019, 11:14:53 PM
The second Hercules coin in the series will be released next week.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on December 10, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
Last remaining pieces of the second coin available now: The Labours of Hercules: The Lernean Hydra - 2020 Bi-Metal Proof Like Diamond (https://www.pobjoy.com/products/view/the-labours-of-hercules-the-lernean-hydra-2020-bi-metal-proof-like-diamond-finish-2-coin)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: bjcoins on December 11, 2019, 09:48:43 PM
Hello eurocoin, are you aware of the issuing schedule of the remaining 10 coins of this series? I emailed Pobjoy with this question and they said they could not tell me / did not know ...
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on December 11, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: bjcoins on December 11, 2019, 09:48:43 PM
Hello eurocoin, are you aware of the issuing schedule of the remaining 10 coins of this series? I emailed Pobjoy with this question and they said they could not tell me / did not know ...

Hello bjcoins, Welcome on World of Coins Forum. Many people have asked me this. Although I often provide the latest news about future releases of Pobjoy Mint here first, unfortunately I do not have the issuing shedule of these coins. I do not know if such shedule exists. I think it is well possible that Pobjoy Mint does not have a planning of when each coin will be issued.

I assume you live in the UK but if you live in the US you can sign up for a continuity scheme of the Hercules coins with the local branch of Pobjoy Mint. This service is only open to residents of the US. Unfortunately British Pobjoy Mint does not offer a similar service for people who live in the UK.

Were you so far able to secure any of these coins?
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: bjcoins on December 11, 2019, 10:57:27 PM
Hi eurocoin, thanks for your swift reply. I live in The Netherlands, actually. I did not find out about the new Hercules series until after the Nemean Lion issue was sold out. Was in time to get my hands on the 2nd issue, the Hydra, though. I am also the happy owner of the 1997-2000 Hercules series!
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on December 12, 2019, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: bjcoins on December 11, 2019, 10:57:27 PM
Hi eurocoin, thanks for your swift reply. I live in The Netherlands, actually. I did not find out about the new Hercules series until after the Nemean Lion issue was sold out. Was in time to get my hands on the 2nd issue, the Hydra, though. I am also the happy owner of the 1997-2000 Hercules series!

The Netherlands, interesting! I didn't think anyone else would be interested in these coins around here. The original series is very expensive these days. I think the obverse portrait on it also looks better than on the new ones.

Usually the news on future coins of the UK, its crown dependencies and territories can be found on here (long) before even the mints have announced it, so hopefully you will now not miss out anymore.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Col1n666 on December 23, 2019, 10:22:22 PM
I have noticed a lot of these coins selling on eBay for around £80-100. But over the last few days, they have been selling for up to £1000! But the buyer almost always has zero feedback. I wonder if people are setting up accounts just to try and push the value of these coins up?!!
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Col1n666 on December 23, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
Here's an example.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: andyg on December 23, 2019, 10:36:43 PM
There is something altogether odd about these £2's are they limited to 2 coins per house again - or has some big dealer got most of them in a bank vault somewhere?
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Alan71 on December 23, 2019, 11:32:55 PM
Isn't it that they are really buying something else entirely?  A bog-standard, well circulated 1971 UK 2p coin is listed in there for £120, with 18 watchers. 10 available.  There must be some secret eBay code we're not aware of (and I wouldn't want to be aware of), so that these people know they aren't really buying a coin...
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on December 24, 2019, 07:53:30 AM
It is indeed correct that someone is bidding on all of the Labours of Hercules advertisements, only to then not pay. On social media, the first death threats for this unknown person have already appeared.

Quote from: andyg on December 23, 2019, 10:36:43 PM
There is something altogether odd about these £2's are they limited to 2 coins per house again - or has some big dealer got most of them in a bank vault somewhere?

The limit for the Labours of Hercules coins is 3 per household. Pobjoy Mint only sells these coins directly to collectors. Dealers are not able to buy wholesale. If they want to sell these coins they will have to be quick just like collectors and can get a maximum of 3 pieces. There are no exceptions.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 08, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
Yesterday Pobjoy Mint announced that the third coin in the series was going to be released this week. This morning Pobjoy Mint has issued a statement saying the issuance of the coin will be delayed until further notice.

It appears that maintenance and upgrades of their website that yestersay took place and were necessary to be able to continue the Hercules Series were unsuccessful.

The third coin in the series will feature the Ceryneian Hind.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 14, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
The third Hercules 2 pound coin will be released this week. Pobjoy Mint will start to charge a fee of 3 pounds per order for the Hercules 2 pound coins.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 17, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
The first 875 coins of the third coin in the series were released today. They were sold out within a few minutes. The other 875 coins will be released later.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on January 17, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
I checked Pobjoy website and at 3.00 pm (London time) it was still no coinsin sales, the same at 3.08 PM but later website went down... maybe if I refresh it every 30 seconds and not 5-8 minutes but I need to normally live :) when I succeed to re-connect it, it was aleady sold out. In the meantime I received email from Pobjoy that coin is released...

I understand that Pobjoy can produce and sell only the number of coins allowed by Gibraltar Authority, but do you know if it is any legal regulation about the maximum number of coins that can be issued (like in case of 2 euros commemorative limit no more than 5% of 2-euro coins in issueing country and no more than 0,1% of all 2euro coins in eurozone)? Or this is only the decision of Gibraltar Authority to issue 1750 pieces, no more?
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 17, 2020, 07:24:05 PM
As far as I know Pobjoy Mint itself decides what the mintage of each coin is.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on January 17, 2020, 07:41:18 PM
After the first issue in the series, I asked mint if the the next coins will have the same small mintage (looking at the high demand and that all coins were sold out so quickly) and the answer was "the mintage for the following coins in the series will also be 1750. This is determined by the issuing Government".
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 17, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: MCz on January 17, 2020, 07:41:18 PM
After the first issue in the series, I asked mint if the the next coins will have the same small mintage (looking at the high demand and that all coins were sold out so quickly) and the answer was "the mintage for the following coins in the series will also be 1750. This is determined by the issuing Government".

I am aware of that statement of the mint but as far as I know it is not true. I have in the past worked with the Government of Gibraltar on the issuance of a legal tender commemorative 50 pence coin and it was myself, not the government, who had to decide the mintage.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on January 22, 2020, 01:23:33 PM
The second and last part of the mintage of the third coin was available but sold out in under 5 minutes.

Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MrNuman on February 03, 2020, 02:16:33 PM
I've just received an newsletter from the Pobjoy saying that the household limit for this series has been adjusted from 3 to 2 per household.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MrNuman on February 03, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
The 4th coin in this series just got released: The Labours of Hercules: The Erymanthian Boar, unfortunately my old eyes say the email too late.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on February 14, 2020, 11:32:33 PM
Tip for everyone looking to still get the next coins in the series (or to make a quick buck):

If you have missed out on the coin, immediately after it has sold out contact Pobjoy Mint and ask them to put your name on the list. Only very few people know that they maintain a list. So far all of the people who were put on the list eventually were offered the possibility to buy a maximum of 2 pieces of the specific coin.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on March 17, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
Pobjoy Mint has today released the 6th and 7th coins in the series, depicting the Stymphalion Birds and the Cretan Bull, at once. This was done because of the uncertainty due to the corona virus. The coins sold out in no-time.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Col1n666 on March 19, 2020, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: eurocoin on February 14, 2020, 11:32:33 PM
Tip for everyone looking to still get the next coins in the series (or to make a quick buck):

If you have missed out on the coin, immediately after it has sold out contact Pobjoy Mint and ask them to put your name on the list.

I managed to successfully order the 5th coin in the set thanks to Eurocoin's tip. They sent me a PayPal payment request yesterday. They also added me to their list for the 6th and 7th coins! Hope I can complete the collection.
Thanks Eurocoin!
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on March 20, 2020, 06:06:32 AM
Quote from: Col1n666 on March 19, 2020, 10:47:20 PM
I managed to successfully order the 5th coin in the set thanks to Eurocoin's tip. They sent me a PayPal payment request yesterday. They also added me to their list for the 6th and 7th coins! Hope I can complete the collection.
Thanks Eurocoin!

I am glad to hear you were in the end able to get the coin. Hopefully you will have as much luck with the 6th and 7th coins.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: mmiguel on April 15, 2020, 09:12:52 PM
Scary how the 5th coin is nowhere in ebay, whereas the first 4 are easy to see and 6th and 7th are on as well...
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on May 09, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
Anyone who already has some of these, make sure you check the edge of the coins. A remarkable amount of partial collar errors have been found on the Hercules 2 pound coins. The edge should be completely reeded without any smooth parts around the coin. An example of a partial collar error on a Hercules coin can be seen below. Not on all coins with this partial collar error the portion of the edge that is flat is as large as on this one.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=98973;image)

At least 1 Hercules coin has also been found that was double struck and struck off-center.

Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on May 13, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
8th and 9th coins from series were released today: The Mares of Diomedes and The Girdle of Hyppolyte.

Unfortunately, I read the e-mail after 40 minutes and of course coins were no more avaliable.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on May 13, 2020, 09:25:49 PM
Email them immediately to get your name on the waiting list for coins 8 and 9. There is a significant chance that you will then eventually be able to order them.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on May 13, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Done immadetly when read email  :)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on May 13, 2020, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: MCz on May 13, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Done immadetly when read email  :)

Very good!  :)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on May 26, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
On some of the Diomedes coins (the 8th coin in the series) both sides are extremely frosted which makes it stand out from the other coins in the series. All of the 9th coin in the series, which the first people today received too, have the normal level of frosting for diamond finish coins, similar to the other coins in the series.

It seems that proof quality dies may have mistakenly been used for the production of some of the Diomedes coins, although there is currently no news on whether the 2020-dated Labours of Hercules series will be issued in proof quality.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on May 26, 2020, 07:28:44 PM
The difference mentioned above:

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=99586;image)
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on June 03, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
The waiting list for coins 8 and 9 has now closed. All people on the list who will be allowed to buy coins 8 and 9 have been contacted.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Col1n666 on June 03, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: eurocoin on June 03, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
The waiting list for coins 8 and 9 has now closed. All people on the list who will be allowed to buy coins 8 and 9 have been contacted.

:( Managed to get the first 7! Might have to check eBay.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on June 08, 2020, 11:46:07 AM
Seems that I'm the lucky one: I menaged to order 2 pieces 8th and 9th and I received both versions of 8th coin :) Need to open the capsule and check 5th piece too to see which version of edge I have.

Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: MCz on June 25, 2020, 11:31:42 AM
The tenth and eleventh coins in The Labours of Hercules were issued few minutes ago.
These stunning coins feature The Cattle of Geryon and The Apples of the Hesperides. The obverse of the coin features the Pobjoy Mint exclusive Effigy of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and includes the year date 2020.

As usually, website of Pobjoy is not working due to high traffic...
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on September 03, 2020, 04:07:31 PM
The last coin in the Hercules series is available now, click here (https://www.pobjoy.com/products/view/the-labours-of-hercules-cerberusnie-2020-bi-metal-proof6-like-diamond4-finish-2-coin) to order for your collection or to make a free 100 pounds.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Doogie_Moyt on September 17, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
First forum post warning!  Please let me know if I should have registered this as a separate thread.

I've lost a few hours this morning reading some very insightful threads so thank you to the community.  I have a question concerning the original Labours of Hercules series (1997-2000) which I'm hoping someone could help me with?  I'm trying to acquire all known die variants of the series.  I've logged the ones I've been able to find so far but would be very interested if anyone has seen, or has an images of any other known variants.

The Nemean Lion (1997) - AA Left, AA Right, No Die
The Lernean Hydra (1998) - AA Left
The Ceryeian Hind (1998) - AA Left
The Erynanthian Boar (1998) - AA Left AA Right
The Augean Stables (1999) - AA Left
The Cretan Bull (1999) - AA Left
The Stymphalian Birds (1999) - AA Left
The Mares of Diomedes (1999) - AA Left
The Girdle of Hippolyta (2000) - AA Left
The Cattle of Geyron (2000) - AA Left
The Apple of Hesperides (2000) - AA Left
Cerberus (2000) - AA Left
15 Total

I've had unconfirmed information suggesting that there are also no die variants for (Mares, Girdle, Cattle, Apple & Cerberus).

Many thanks in advance,

D.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: eurocoin on September 19, 2021, 04:47:38 AM
As far as I know the total of 15 is indeed a complete list. I have no information on possible no die variants for Mares, Girdle, Cattle, Apple & Cerberus.
As you will be aware, the silver versions of the Hercules series did not have die marks.
Title: Re: Gibraltar: Labours of Hercules 2 pounds series
Post by: Doogie_Moyt on September 19, 2021, 10:04:58 AM
Brilliant thanks.  It reassures me that I'm not missing anything.  I was aware of the silver proofs not having any die marks. Had a couple of opportunities to own a set over the years but the prices now are really high.

If it helps anyone, I found the toughest out the 15 to be the Lion (AA right) and the boar (AA left) but ironically I bought them both at the same time.

Regards,

D.