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Title: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 12, 2019, 01:15:15 PM
In 2020, the Royal Mint will issue a commemorative 50p for Team GB on the Olympic Games. The coin will feature symbols depicting several olympic sports as well as the olympic rings and the Team GB logo.

A commemorative 2 pounds coin will be issued for the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower (ship).

A 5 pounds coin will be issued to commemorate George III. It will depict his portrait in a crowned cartouche as well as his royal cypher and floral emblems of the UK. It will also depict scenes associated with his life.

Another 5 pounds coin will be issued for the year of the rat. It will depict a rat and the Chinese lunar symbol for 'rat'.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: onecenter on July 12, 2019, 08:25:43 PM
Wow!  It will be nice to see a British coin for the quadricentennial of the Mayflower.  Having just received and opened my USA-Canada joint silver eagle and maple leaf set, I hope that some type of joint numismatic offering will be available between the USA and Great Britain next year. :)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on July 13, 2019, 02:06:10 PM
I wonder how many Olympic sports symbols can be shown on a 50p coin?

Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on July 19, 2019, 09:47:45 AM
In 2020, the Royal Mint will issue a commemorative 50p for Team GB on the Olympic Games. The coin will feature symbols depicting several olympic sports as well as the olympic rings and the Team GB logo.

The coin will have the date on both obverse & reverse.
Extract from proclamation:
‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· ELIZABETH II · D · G · REG · F · D · 50 PENCE · 2020” and for the reverse symbols depicting individual Olympic sports accompanied by the Olympic Rings, the Team GB logo, the inscription TEAM GB and the date 2020. The coins shall have a plain edge.’

This would make it the third such coin after 2000 Libraries Act and 2007 Scouts.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on July 19, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
Another 5 pounds coin will be issued for the year of the rat. It will depict a rat and the Chinese lunar symbol for 'rat'.

The Rat is the first in the Chinese zodiac cycle. Does this mean that the RM is planning a Chinese lunar year coin every year for the next 12?
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: <k> on July 19, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
The Rat is the first in the Chinese zodiac cycle. Does this mean that the RM is planning a Chinese lunar year coin every year for the next 12?

See: Coins of the Modern Chinese Empire (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,43796.0.html).
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 19, 2019, 01:28:54 PM
The Rat is the first in the Chinese zodiac cycle. Does this mean that the RM is planning a Chinese lunar year coin every year for the next 12?

They have been issuing Chinese zodiac coins for years.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on July 19, 2019, 01:32:35 PM
 ::)

There's so much gubbins issued one can't keep up. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on July 19, 2019, 06:29:16 PM
A commemorative 2 pounds coin will be issued for the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower (ship).

Details from the proclamation:
‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· ELIZABETH II · D · G · REG · F · D · 2 POUNDS”, and for the reverse a depiction of the Mayflower with the inscription “MAYFLOWER” and the dates “1620 2020”.’ The said coin shall have a grained edge and in incuse letters the inscription “UNDERTAKEN FOR THE GLORY OF GOD”.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: <k> on July 24, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
A commemorative 2 pounds coin will be issued for the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower (ship).

See also: Mayflower-themed trial UK £2 coin, dated 1994 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,3237.msg290061.html#msg290061).
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on July 24, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
See also: Mayflower-themed trial UK £2 coin, dated 1994 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,3237.msg290061.html#msg290061).

Who knows, they may use the Ironside design on the coin. I think it is a very nice design.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on July 24, 2019, 07:26:00 PM
Who knows, they may use the Ironside design on the coin. I think it is a very nice design.
Yes, I’d like it if they used that design.  It would be quite fitting for a design that appeared on the first bi-metal £2 coin (albeit a trial coin) to finally appear on a proper £2.  It’s not impossible, as they resurrected Ironside’s unused Royal Arms 50p design in 2013 and also his original “New Pence” Britannia design in both 2009 and 2019, but I suspect it’s unlikely. 

Its link to the trial coin would secure plenty of interest though, particularly as so few have the 1994 coin (I do, in the stages of production set, but I gather you have to re-mortgage your house in order to acquire it these days).
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on July 25, 2019, 12:36:36 AM
Agree with Alan71 & eurocoin that the Ironside design is excellent. Somewhat dynamic reflecting the perilous journey that was undertaken through rough seas and storms.

It would be nice if the design was adopted for the 400th anniversary issue. I would not like to see a design similar to the depiction of the Golden Hind on the old half pennies.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on August 12, 2019, 07:18:00 PM
In 2020, the Royal Mint will issue 2 50p coins related to Paddington Bear.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on October 08, 2019, 08:16:20 PM
The Royal Mint will in 2020 issue commemorative 2 pounds coins with the following themes:

- 100th anniversary of the first publication of a book by Agatha Christie.

- 75th anniversary of VE-Day.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on October 11, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
The Royal Mint will in 2020 issue commemorative 2 pounds coins with the following themes:

- 100th anniversary of the first publication of a book by Agatha Christie.

- 75th anniversary of VE-Day.

Centenary of the publication of Agatha Christie’s first book
Design depicts a nearly completed jigsaw puzzle with the final piece about to be inserted,
accompanied by the inscription ‘1920 100 YEARS OF MYSTERY 2020’ and Agatha Christie’s signature.
The edge inscription ‘little grey cells’ is credited by Poirot as the reason he was able to solve complex and mysterious cases.

75th Anniversary of VE Day
Design depicts a woman holding a newspaper aloft in a celebrating crowd set against the backdrop of the word VICTORY, accompanied by the inscription ‘VICTORY IN EUROPE DAY’ and the dates ‘1945-2020’.
The edge inscription 'just triumph and proud sorrow' is contained in a message from the King to his peoples broadcast on 8 May 1945:
“There is great comfort in the thought that the years of darkness and danger in which the children of our country have grown up are over and, please God, for ever. We shall have failed, and the blood of our dearest will have flowed in vain if the victory which they died to win does not lead to a lasting peace, founded on justice and established in good will. To that, then, let us turn our thoughts on this day of just triumph and proud sorrow and then take up our work again, resolved as people to do nothing unworthy of those who have died for us and to make the world such a world as they would have desired, for their children and for ours.”
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on October 11, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
Assume the year set for 2020 will include the following £2 & 50p commemoratives:

400th Anniversary of the Mayflower’s voyage
Centenary of the publication of Agatha Christie’s first book
75th Anniversary of VE Day
Olympics Team GB

As with this year, additional BU issues of the £2 coins will probably be progressively introduced during the first six months.

Suspect that the 50p Olympics will be issued for circulation.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on October 18, 2019, 07:02:39 PM
Wonder if RM will issue a commemorative coin in 2020 for the 150th anniversary of Barnardo's first home. This would also be coincident with the 175th anniversary of his birth.

Believe they considered one in 2017 for the 150th anniversary of the opening of his first Ragged School in the East End of London in 1867.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on October 27, 2019, 10:13:57 AM
A worthwhile commemorative for 2020 would be to recognise the 150th anniversary of The British Red Cross. The Queen is the patron of the society.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on October 27, 2019, 10:45:38 AM
Wonder if RM will issue a commemorative coin in 2020 for the 150th anniversary of Barnardo's first home. This would also be coincident with the 175th anniversary of his birth.

Believe they considered one in 2017 for the 150th anniversary of the opening of his first Ragged School in the East End of London in 1867.

It was considered for a commemorative in 2017 and then subsequently postponed to 2020. See here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,38163.msg268712.html#msg268712).

A worthwhile commemorative for 2020 would be to recognise the 150th anniversary of The British Red Cross. The Queen is the patron of the society.

That would indeed be a good theme for a coin.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on October 27, 2019, 10:49:18 AM
We already know what the James Cook 2 pounds coin of 2020 will look like. The Royal Mint mistakenly leaked the design in August 2018, something that was noticed by our member kena.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/44226602292_16015ca8a5_o.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on October 27, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
We already know what the James Cook 2 pounds coin of 2020 will look like. The Royal Mint mistakenly leaked the design in August 2018, something that was noticed by our member kena.

Described as the bow of the Endeavour and a canoe over a map showing Captain Cook’s voyage round NZ and the south coast of Australia, circumscribed by CAPTAIN JAMES COOK and the anniversary dates 1770–2020.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on November 07, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
The Royal Mint will in 2020 issue a dinosaur 50p series. The first 3 coins in the series will depict the iguanodon, megalosaurus and hylaeosaurus.

A 5 pounds coin will be issued for the band Queen.

James Bond will be commemorated on several high-denomination coins in precious metals.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Big_M on November 07, 2019, 10:53:21 AM
The Royal Mint will in 2020 issue a dinosaur 50p series. The first 3 coins in the series will depict the iguanodon, megalosaurus and hylaeosaurus.

A 5 pounds coin will be issued for the band Queen.

James Bond will be commemorated on several high-denomination coins in precious metals.

You are sure these all will be issued as UK? The topics would fit better with previous Alderney releases.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on November 07, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
You are sure these all will be issued as UK? The topics would fit better with previous Alderney releases.

They will all be UK coins. The Royal Mint does no longer produce coins for Alderney. The Commonwealth Mint now has the contract and it makes the government of Alderney much more money than the Royal Mint ever did.

I agree that standards in terms of themes have dropped.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on November 07, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
The iguanodon, megalosaurus and hylaeosaurus have English origins.
Sculptures of these dinosaurs and others are in Crystal Palace Park.
I think RM are now scraping the bottom of the barrel using such topics, but it will certainly appeal to children to whom the issue is obviously aimed. More expense for their parents!
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on November 07, 2019, 08:39:33 PM
Interesting trivia about Megalosaurus.

While describing a gloomy day cloaked in fog, in his 1853 novel Bleak House, Dickens writes:
“As much mud in the streets as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill."
The first literary dinosaur reference in a work of modern fiction and a completely inaccurate description as Dickens subscribed at the time to the giant quadrupedal lizard theory of Megalosaurus promulgated by Richard Owen and others.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on November 08, 2019, 08:02:35 AM
4 coins with a ddnomination of 5 pounds will be issued to commemorate the Tower of London. Each of the coins will feature things related to one of the functions the building had in the past e.g. as prison, mint building etc.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on November 08, 2019, 08:52:58 AM
4 coins with a ddnomination of 5 pounds will be issued to commemorate the Tower of London. Each of the coins will feature things related to one of the functions the building had in the past e.g. as prison, mint building etc.

I am at a loss as to why RM continue to produce a profusion of these useless £5 coins.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Figleaf on November 08, 2019, 09:41:06 AM
Look at their annual report. They are dependent on sales to collectors, so they'll put the Christmas poop emoji on a "coin" (if they haven't already) if they think there is enough demand to offset fixed cost.

Peter
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on November 08, 2019, 03:52:30 PM
Look at their annual report. They are dependent on sales to collectors, so they'll put the Christmas poop emoji on a "coin" (if they haven't already) if they think there is enough demand to offset fixed cost.

I understand that, but 29 issued between 2017 & 2019 is somewhat excessive, averaging out at approx. one every 5 weeks. That exceeds the 50p issues and vastly exceeds the £2 issues.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Figleaf on November 08, 2019, 05:02:01 PM
Wrong logic. The powers that be at the Mint don't care about the dignity of the country, monetary logic or even the favour of collectors. Their only target is to wring a maximum amount of money out of the get-rich-quickly crowd. It has been done before. Cuba, North Korea, China, Poland, Marshall Islands, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, the list goes on. The poor or the shameless (mostly both). That level. It always ended with a collapse of demand from collectors, leaving the greedy with what is known as "stranded asset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranded_asset)s". Caveat emptor.

Peter
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on December 13, 2019, 09:36:16 AM
At last, a Brexit commemoration can be issued. Congratulations to Boris & Co.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on December 18, 2019, 10:10:34 AM
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has approved the issuance of the Brexit 50p coin with the date 31 January 2020.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: MCz on December 18, 2019, 04:37:05 PM
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has approved the issuance of the Brexit 50p coin with the date 31 January 2020.

third time lucky... the mintage is planned as prevoiusly in millions of pieces released into circulation?
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on December 21, 2019, 03:41:53 PM
A 5 pounds coin will be issued for the band Queen.

This coin is the first in a series of 5 pound coins commemorating British musicians.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on December 22, 2019, 05:28:22 AM
All change: UK tries again with new 50p to mark Brexit date | Politics | The (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/20/all-change-uk-tries-again-with-new-50p-to-mark-brexit-date?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR14KcWjeyw-1IeuNAsOrvTuU3v2jCoWoqQNyQHEWfjw3CZ-Ni5QmO5vWYo#Echobox=1576928123)

Brexit coin might be a reality next year. Could be that 31st January is the date (guess who'd going back for two weeks just before the end of January?)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Figleaf on December 22, 2019, 09:15:21 AM
Shouldn't be a problem, I think, but Murphy's law applies. Make sure your current visa is still recognised when you return.

Peter
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on December 22, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
Well, I'm British, I was more worried about the queues that will form. My other half is Chinese and if all EU citizens end up in the same queue, it could take hours.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on December 22, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
Guessing the Brexit coin won’t feature in the 2020 year sets, on the grounds that it was meant to be issued last year and the coins in the set would have already been decided upon.  That’s a pity - the historical significance of what the coin represents means it deserves a bit more than it will get.  Then again, the year sets have long since stopped being a snapshot of a year with so many other coins being issued throughout it.

Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on December 22, 2019, 12:21:31 PM
Wonder if 'Remainer' coin collectors will add the Brexit coin to their collections?
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on December 22, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
Wonder if 'Remainer' coin collectors will add the Brexit coin to their collections?
Perhaps they will issue a set of the four EEC/EC/EU coins (the 1973, 1992-93, 1998 and this Brexit coin) as a set to mark our entry, anniversaries and events during our “stay” and our exit.  With an option not to include the Brexit coin so remainers can pretend it isn’t happening.

Interestingly the three previous coins (and indeed this one) were all planned during conservative governments.  The Conservatives had been out of office for eight months by the time the 1998 coin was issued, but it was undoubtedly planned before the 1997 election.  Not one of them was planned during a Labour government.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: <k> on December 22, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
The Conservatives took us into the EEC. The Conservatives are taking us out of the EU.

Harold Wilson, a Labour prime minister, introduced a referendum on the EEC. 66% voted to remain. Perhaps that referendum gave David Cameron his bright idea.  :D
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on December 22, 2019, 01:51:36 PM
The Conservatives took us into the EEC. The Conservatives are taking us out of the EU.

Harold Wilson, a Labour prime minister, introduced a referendum on the EEC. 66% voted to remain. Perhaps that referendum gave David Cameron his bright idea.  :D
It was long overdue though.  Other countries had had referenda on key issues and the UK were never given one.  It was therefore all stored up for the 2016 vote.  Undoubtedly many people that voted to remain when they were young in 1975 opted to leave in 2016.  41 years of not being given any say had taken its toll. 

My late mum and dad both opted to leave (in other words, voted no in 1975, as the question was “Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?”)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on December 22, 2019, 03:44:31 PM
It would have been very fitting if the EU leaving date had been coincident with the VE Day seventy-fifth anniversary.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on December 23, 2019, 02:03:45 AM
It would have been very fitting if the EU leaving date had been coincident with the VE Day seventy-fifth anniversary.

Or even more fitting had it been set for February 30th.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 01, 2020, 01:30:15 AM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=96444;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=96445;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=96446;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=96447;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=96499;image)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 01, 2020, 01:35:57 AM
I only like the VE-Day coin a little bit.

The Team GB 50p is absolute trash. The Agatha Christie 2 pound coin looks childish. The waves on the Mayflower coin look ridiculous. The 5 pound coin is just ugly.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 01, 2020, 02:25:05 AM
I only like the VE-Day coin a little bit.

The Team GB 50p is absolute trash. The Agatha Christie 2 pound coin looks childish. The waves on the Mayflower coin look ridiculous. The 5 pound coin is just ugly.
Yes, I’d have to agree with you on all that.  The Team GB one reminds me of the 2011 WWF 50p.  Far too much going on.  And the jigsaw thing has been done before (Act of Union £2, 2007).
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 01, 2020, 02:52:18 AM
I only like the VE-Day coin a little bit.

The Team GB 50p is absolute trash. The Agatha Christie 2 pound coin looks childish. The waves on the Mayflower coin look ridiculous. The 5 pound coin is just ugly.

The Agatha Christie one makes me think it's all about Jigsaws. The Team GB one looks like someone just left their trash out, the VE Day one shows why people don't usually look that good on coins, the Mayflower one looks good, but then it's a bit hard to mess up ships like that anyway. The £5 looks good, but stopped collecting those when they stopped selling them for £5.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on January 01, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Agree with augsburger.

Re the VE Day coin - it's not people per se that's the problem, but rather full-face portraits. The small people in the background work OK but the main woman suffers from the same manic look as William and Kate on their wedding £5 and as the King and Queen of Sweden on their wedding issue in 1976. Mints in general need to learn to keep to profiles when illustrating people. Ironically the one full-face yet realistic portrait on coins that doesn't look odd is the (in English terms) original - Henry VIII.

I actually quite like the £5, but as you say I've given up collecting them. It's not the designer's or the Mint's fault that George III was ugly as sin. When you consider that these coins essentially are commemorative medals rather than coins, I think it works quite well. Certainly better than some of the last couple of decades' £5 coins.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on January 01, 2020, 11:18:08 AM
Wonder if 'Remainer' coin collectors will add the Brexit coin to their collections?

Speaking as a remainer, I will add it to my collection if I come across it in circulation or swap it with someone who has a duplicate/doesn't want it. I won't specifically go looking for it on the RM's website, but I don't do this with other new issues either. I don't see the point of boycotting coins representing political views I disagree with; I have plenty of coins from Nazi Germany, the USSR and Fascist Italy in my collection, for example, but I have nothing but contempt for those regimes.

But I suspect any that make it into circulation will be removed by leavers wanting to add them to their Boris shrines.

I think the Brexit coin was a bad idea, not because I voted the other way and not because of the chaos caused by the moving of the date (that's not the Mint's or the coin's fault). For the same reason that we tend to avoid commemorating living people on coins, I don't think we should be commemorating current political events either. And yes, I'd put the 1973 issue into that category as well; I have always thought that was a bit of an oddity given that there were no commemoratives for other events at the time they occurred in that period. (The 1992/3 and 1998 ones are a bit different, as they commemorate an anniversary and the rotating EC presidency.)

Commemorating current political events is divisive, Brexit being the archetypal example. There wasn't a Good Friday Agreement coin either, and that was on the face of it a more generally positive event but nevertheless with its detractors. But even when an event isn't as charged as Brexit is, it takes time before its true effect on history, for good or bad, is measurable. This coin just smacks of triumphalism, tbh, and regardless of your view on Brexit, rubbing the other lot's faces in it just isn't helpful.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 01, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
The 50p Team GB coin can only be described as a mishmash. What on earth is the mind set at the RM!
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 01, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
Designer names:

Team GB 50p: David Knapton

Agatha Christie 2 pound: David Lawrence
Mayflower 2 pound: Chris Costello
VE Day 2 pound: Dominique Evans

George III: Dominique Evans
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 01, 2020, 01:41:27 PM
It’s something of a relief to see that the Royal Mint BU set is still £55.  It’s been that price for a few years now so will probably go up next year, regardless of the number of coins and face value within it.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 01, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Looking back over eurocoin’s previous posts in this topic, a quick summary of what isn’t in the annual sets but coming this year (£5 coins excluded as I’ve lost all interest in them):

Brexit 50p
Dinosaurs 50p (3 coins - iguanodon, megalosaurus and hylaeosaurus)
Paddington 50p (2 more coins)

James Cook £2
(Image from previous post by eurocoin):
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/44226602292_16015ca8a5_o.jpg)

Any I’ve missed?  Guessing more will be announced and issued during the year though.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 01, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
Believe that a Rupert Bear is on the cards.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 01, 2020, 07:47:50 PM
Believe that a Rupert Bear is on the cards.
Can’t see it mentioned anywhere within this topic?  Unless I’ve missed it.  Rupert first published in 1920, so seems absolutely inevitable that there will be.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 01, 2020, 08:05:17 PM
Rupert Bear is planned for next year as it is then 100 years since it was first published.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 01, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
Despite the recent release of new 2 pound coins into circulation, the Royal Mint still has an enormous stock of 2016-dated ones and it is unlikely that any of the 2020-dated 2 pound coins will be released into general circulation.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 01, 2020, 08:19:49 PM
Alan71, here is another possibility for 2020.

Quote from: eurocoin on May 30, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
themes that did not make it onto UK commemorative coins of 2017:

--150th anniversary of the opening of the first Barnardo's home for homeless children

"On researching this theme idea, it became apparent that the 150th anniversary of the opening of the first shelter is actually in 2020. In 2017 it is 150 years since he opened a ragged school in the East End of London. It is recommended to postpone the commemoration until 2020."
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 01, 2020, 10:17:03 PM
Rupert Bear is planned for next year as it is then 100 years since it was first published.
Thanks!  That’s from another topic.  Have to admit I only checked this one, so thanks for the clarification.  And thanks for the Barnardo’s reminder.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 01, 2020, 10:58:44 PM
The Team GB 50p designed by David Knapton.

Perhaps David is a student of Egyptian archaeology.

The design is reminiscent of hieroglyphs.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 04, 2020, 12:08:47 PM
According to the information card on the 2020 year set, RM state that the Mayflower set sail from Plymouth on 16 September 1620.

This is an incorrect statement as it should be 6 September 1620 in accordance with the Julian calendar that was in use in England at the time.

The Julian Calendar was replaced by the Gregorian Calendar in 1752, changing the formula for calculating leap years. Eleven days were dropped from the month of September 1752. September 2  was followed by September 14.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 06, 2020, 02:47:36 PM
The Mayflower coin was designed by Chris Costello and sculpted by Jody Clark.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 10, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
The Team GB coin has been voted by Change Checkers as their favourite 2020 annual coin.

No accounting for taste!!!!!
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 10, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
The Team GB coin has been voted by Change Checkers as their favourite 2020 annual coin.

No accounting for taste!!!!!
Yes, I saw that.  And someone even commented that they liked the 2011 WWF design.  Thankfully I don’t take the Facebook generation of collectors too seriously, call me a numismatic snob and all that...
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 10, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
I wonder how many collectors can identify all the sports symbols?

Some are obvious and some are baffling.

There is a carabiner & rope to the right of the lions head for sport climbing. But what are the two symbols along the bottom row to the left & right of the wavy line?

The events list is:

Aquatics; Archery; Athletics; Badminton; Baseball/Softball; Basketball; Boxing; Canoe; Cycling
Equestrian; Fencing; Football; Golf; Gymnastics; Handball; Hockey; Judo; Karate; Modern Pentathlon
Rowing; Rugby; Sailing; Shooting; Skateboarding; Sport Climbing; Surfing; Table Tennis
Taekwondo; Tennis; Triathlon; Volleyball; Weightlifting; Wrestling

Paralympic events:
Archery; Athletics; Badminton; Boccia; Canoe; Cycling; Equestrian; Football 5-a-side; Goalball
Judo; Powerlifting; Rowing; Shooting; Sitting Volleyball; Swimming; Table Tennis; Taekwondo
Triathlon; Wheelchair Basketball; Wheelchair Fencing; Wheelchair Rugby; Wheelchair Tennis
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 10, 2020, 03:20:04 PM
Yes, I saw that.  And someone even commented that they liked the 2011 WWF design.  Thankfully I don’t take the Facebook generation of collectors too seriously, call me a numismatic snob and all that...

From one numismatic snob to another.... what the [insert strong word] are they seeing?

Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 11, 2020, 10:20:54 AM
But what are the two symbols along the bottom row to the left & right of the wavy line?

The one to the right of the wavy line is a helmet for water polo. The thing to the left possibly is a diving board for diving.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 11, 2020, 11:54:46 AM
The one to the right of the wavy line is a helmet for water polo. The thing to the left possibly is a diving board for diving.

Thanks eurocoin. It makes sense keeping water sports grouped together - diving, sailing, swimming, water polo.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 14, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
In the House of Lords, the Liberal Democrats and crossbencher Lord Butler of Brockwell have yesterday criticized the issuance of commemorative 50 pence coins for Brexit.

According to them the coins commemorate division and their issuance is silly. They urged the government to cancel the issuance of the coin and to melt down any pieces that had already been made.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 15, 2020, 08:13:51 AM
I don't have a problem with them commemorating something that is, quite frankly, one of the most important events in the UK in my lifetime, regardless of whether it's positive or negative.

However where I see the problem is making it before the event has even happened.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 15, 2020, 09:14:45 AM
However where I see the problem is making it before the event has even happened.
I can’t think of many commemorative coins that aren’t produced (and even available) before the event has happened?  Aside from memorial coins (Churchill, Diana and the Queen Mother) every commemorative coin is available beforehand.  I suppose Brexit was a bit different though, as getting it through Parliament was a nightmare until the general election.  There’s certainly no harm in it being produced now.

The Liberal Democrats need to get over it - it’s happening whether they like it or not.  The irony is that their leader Jo Swinson, despite being a staunch remainer, failed to retain her seat as her Scottish voters (you know, those apparent staunch remainers being forced out of the EU against their will) didn’t vote her back in.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on January 15, 2020, 10:49:37 AM
I can’t think of many commemorative coins that aren’t produced (and even available) before the event has happened?  Aside from memorial coins (Churchill, Diana and the Queen Mother) every commemorative coin is available beforehand.  I suppose Brexit was a bit different though, as getting it through Parliament was a nightmare until the general election.  There’s certainly no harm in it being produced now.

The Liberal Democrats need to get over it - it’s happening whether they like it or not.  The irony is that their leader Jo Swinson, despite being a staunch remainer, failed to retain her seat as her Scottish voters (you know, those apparent staunch remainers being forced out of the EU against their will) didn’t vote her back in.

You conveniently fail to note that Swinson lost her seat to the SNP, who are not exactly known for their full-blooded support for Brexit, and who more generally achieved a convincing victory in Scotland. General elections are about more than one issue; if this one had only been about Brexit, there'd have been no votes for any party other than the Lib Dems and Brexit Party, while in reality neither of those parties performed well.

More generally, can we stop with the "XXX need to get over it" please? The whole point of a democracy is that people are free to campaign for policies that they believe in. Just because you lose a given election or referendum does not mean that you instantly are converted to whatever the result was. When Labour wins general elections we never expect the Tories to say, "Oh yes, of course you were right all along, we're all going to join Labour and depart from everything we've ever said we believe in", and vice versa. I really don't understand why the situation should be any different in a referendum. Yes, the result is what it is, Brexit is happening. Fine. But I object in the strongest possible terms to any suggestion that any political issue is done and dusted. That way lies dictatorship. A decision has been arrived at on Brexit, which is in force until another democratic decision amends or reverses it. That is how democracy works.

Leave won the referendum. Leave have now won the parliamentary wrangling. Leave now have the responsibility to negotiate in the country's best interests, and can be expected to be held to account for what they do. You won; get over it  ;)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 15, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
I can’t think of many commemorative coins that aren’t produced (and even available) before the event has happened?  Aside from memorial coins (Churchill, Diana and the Queen Mother) every commemorative coin is available beforehand.  I suppose Brexit was a bit different though, as getting it through Parliament was a nightmare until the general election.  There’s certainly no harm in it being produced now.

The Liberal Democrats need to get over it - it’s happening whether they like it or not.  The irony is that their leader Jo Swinson, despite being a staunch remainer, failed to retain her seat as her Scottish voters (you know, those apparent staunch remainers being forced out of the EU against their will) didn’t vote her back in.

Well, those that have been released before hand, like the Olympics coins, there's been a definite date at which it would happen.

The Brexit coin for October 31st cost the country a lot of money. That's the problem.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 18, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Anyway, back to topic as I’m not going to become embroiled in any disagreements over Brexit on here.  I’ve got over it.

Apparently the cost of producing and melting down the 2019 Brexit coins is met by the Royal Mint which, to all intents and purposes, is now a private limited company fully owned by the government.  Presumably collectors are paying for it one way or another.

Well, that’s according to The Sun anyway, so it must be true...  ;)

Brexit 50p coin to enter circulation on January 31 – The Sun (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/money/10763275/brexit-50p-coin-enter-circulation-january/amp/)
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 18, 2020, 02:59:09 PM

Well, that’s according to The Sun anyway, so it must be true...  ;)

Brexit 50p coin to enter circulation on January 31 – The Sun (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/money/10763275/brexit-50p-coin-enter-circulation-january/amp/)

Just reading articles on there about coins, and you see why people are going coin crazy. Everything "could be" worth "tonnes of money" according to the Sun.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: FosseWay on January 18, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
Well, those that have been released before hand, like the Olympics coins, there's been a definite date at which it would happen.

The Brexit coin for October 31st cost the country a lot of money. That's the problem.

To be fair, this time (i.e. 31 January), the Brexit date is as definite as any act of humankind can be. Sure, something really unexpected can disrupt plans, but that is as true of the Olympics or a coronation as it is of Brexit. Having taken the decision that it's an appropriate topic for commemoration on a coin, it seems perfectly reasonable to publicise it now. They could easily have done so before Christmas, when it was clear that the political hurdles had been overcome.

The problem with the earlier attempts was that there was no political decision on which to base the issuing decision; it really was a case of counting chickens before they'd hatched. Given the parliamentary arithmetic at the time, it was entirely foreseeable in both March and October last year that Brexit would be delayed. Whoever insisted in the face of such clear evidence that coin production should go ahead anyway should really be in the dock facing charges of misconduct in public office.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 19, 2020, 10:25:59 AM
A memory jogger of the Brexit journey to accompany the 50p release:

A referendum was held on Thursday, 23 Jun 16, to decide whether the UK should leave or remain in the European Union. Leave won by 51.9% to 48.1%. The referendum turnout was 71.8%, with more than 30m people voting. For the UK to leave the EU it had to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty giving the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split.

This process was triggered on 29 Mar 17, meaning the UK should have left at 11pm UK time on Friday, 29 Mar 19. MPs could not agree on a proposed UK-EU deal and a delay to Brexit was granted until 31 Oct. A draft revised withdrawal agreement was passed by Parliament on 22 Oct, but with little time left to ratify it and turn it into UK law before 31 Oct, a further extension was granted until 31 Jan 20.

Following a general election on 12 Dec 19, giving a large Conservative majority, the Brexit bill was passed in Jan 20 and the UK will leave the EU at 11pm on 31 Jan 2020 (midnight Dutch time). The first member state to withdraw from the EU (27 states remain).
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 19, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
The first 5 pound coin in the Music Legends series will be available tomorrow. As previously mentioned it will commemorate Queen.

The second coin in the series will commemorate the Beatles.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: augsburger on January 19, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
The first 5 pound coin in the Music Legends series will be available tomorrow. As previously mentioned it will commemorate Queen.

The second coin in the series will commemorate the Beatles.

Queen on both sides of the coin then?
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Alan71 on January 19, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
I’m not commenting but someone on Change Checker’s Facebook post put “Hoping for AC/DC, Metallica etc and not Queen on both sides.”  Quite why it would be one of the other two anyway is beyond me.  I won’t comment on there, not going to spoil Change Checker’s belief that they have exclusive knowledge no one else knows yet.   ;D
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on January 21, 2020, 05:51:49 AM
Discount code BND221 for a free 5 pound coin if you purchase a 2020 annual set.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on January 21, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
The first 5 pound coin in the Music Legends series will be available tomorrow. As previously mentioned it will commemorate Queen.

The second coin in the series will commemorate the Beatles.

It will be interesting to see how popular the Music Legends series will be. I logged in to RM at 9am Monday to see if I would be in a queue. Got almost instant access.

I am not interested in £5 coins and it looks like interest will be limited from first impressions.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 07, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
The first coin in the series is the Megalosaurus 50p. It will be released soon.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on February 07, 2020, 10:29:30 AM
The first coin in the series is the Megalosaurus 50p. It will be released soon.

Does this refer to the cryptic message in an email received yesterday from RM?

"Tales of the Earth Coming Soon. 
Discover the secrets beneath your feet. Be among the first to uncover an incredible story of British discovery."
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Figleaf on February 07, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
And I thought an incredible story of British discovery referred to putting milk in your tea. :)

Peter
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 13, 2020, 08:41:23 AM
The Megalosaurus 50p will be available from 9 am GMT. For the first time the Royal Mint releases 2 different versions in BU quality. One coloured version for 20 pounds that works with augmented reality and a non-coloured version for 10 pounds. There will also be 2 versions in proof quality. A non-coloured version for 60 pounds and a coloured version for 65 pounds. Only the coin featuring the Megalosaurus will be available today. The other 2 coins in the series will be released later in the year.

As of today the Megalosaurus 50p will be the next SYO at the Royal Mint Experience.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=97084;image)
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=97085;image)

Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 13, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
The dinosaur 50p coins will not be released into general circulation. The other 2 coins in the series will be released in March and April.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on February 13, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
The dinosaur 50p coins will not be released into general circulation. The other 2 coins in the series will be released in March and April.

Iguanodon from March 16 and the Hylaeosaurus from April 6.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: <k> on February 13, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=97085;image)



50p coins to commemorate UK’s contribution to dinosaur discoveries - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-13/50p-coins-to-commemorate-uks-contribution-to-dinosaur-discoveries/)

Extract:

A range of commemorative 50p coins will be emblazoned with dinosaurs to mark Britain’s contribution to discovering the prehistoric creatures.

The coins will feature three different dinosaurs, the fossils of which led British anatomist Sir Richard Owen to coin the term “Dinosauria” in a paper in 1842, the Royal Mint and Natural History Museum said.

The renowned Victorian scientist applied the name, meaning “fearfully great lizards”, after realising the fossils of Megalosaurus, Iguanodon and Hylaeosaurus shared common characteristics.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on February 13, 2020, 03:52:53 PM
Short text to accompany the Megalosaurus:

Megalosaurus was first found in England and was the first dinosaur to be officially named. It started the science of palaeontology.

In 1824, the Reverend William Buckland wrote a paper titled‭ '‬Notice on the Megalosaurus or great Fossil Lizard of Stonesfield‭'‬ based on the various fossils that had been found as quarrying tunnels were excavated at Stonesfield, north of Witney in Oxfordshire. The fossils were found some years before, the dentary having been placed in the collection of the Oxford Anatomy School at Christchurch College (Oxford) in 1797. The fossilised lower jawbone as seen by Buckland is shown in the design.

Megalosaurus, meaning ‘giant (or great) lizard,’ was a bipedal, carnivorous theropod (‘beast-footed’) dinosaur with short arms, short neck and massive tail, from the mid Jurassic period, about 165 million years ago. Using the Greek root ‘mega’ turned out to be a bit of a misnomer as it was only one-quarter the size of T. Rex.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 17, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
The Megalosaurus 50p is currently the SYO at the Royal Mint Experience. Yesterday the minting press was misbehaving and the dies have clashed badly. However quality control is none existent so no action was taken and therefore all of the SYO's currently have the error.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: Deeman on February 17, 2020, 02:29:23 PM
The Megalosaurus 50p is currently the SYO at the Royal Mint Experience. Yesterday the minting press was misbehaving and the dies have clashed badly. However quality control is none existent so no action was taken and therefore all of the SYO's currently have the error.

One Ebay seller (Huwgg) stated "struck today (16 Feb) with 4 strikes of the die at higher than normal pressure". Error not obvious from photo.
Title: Re: UK Commemorative coins for 2020
Post by: eurocoin on February 17, 2020, 09:20:56 PM
One Ebay seller (Huwgg) stated "struck today (16 Feb) with 4 strikes of the die at higher than normal pressure". Error not obvious from photo.

The Royal Mint has now changed the minting dies so I guess it was a die clash rather than 4 strikes being the problem. The average on the Strike Your Own machine is 3 strikes but given the delicate design and relief I think 4 may well be normal for this coin.