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Medieval and cash coins => Islamic world => Topic started by: Desibot on June 12, 2019, 05:48:09 PM

Title: Kwarezm ? : Pishkinid, Mahmud bin Pishkin as vassal of Kwarezmshah Mangubarni
Post by: Desibot on June 12, 2019, 05:48:09 PM
Hi guys help id this please
Is it khawarezm ?

Weight is 16g

Thanks
Title: Re: Kwarezm
Post by: THCoins on June 13, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
You made it a bit hard for us Desibot ! No replies until now.

When you suggested "Khwarezm" i thought that by style and calligraphy this coin is a bit to late and to Western to fit to the Khwarezmshah 'Ala-ud-din Muhammad. But your suggestion was a good hint ! I suspected the name of the ruler was on your second photo. But this confused me a bit. because there are far to many names there for one ruler.

As it turns out, the partly erased upper line on your second photo starts with "Mangubarni bin / Muhammad". But then the legend continues with the name of a second ruler: "al-Malik / al-adil Mahmud bin / Pishkin bin / Muhammad".

So, this  seems to be a copper dirham issued under Pishkinid ruler Mahmud bin Pishkin, as vassal of Khwarezmshah Jalal-ud-din Magubarni , minted around 623AH.

Anthony
Title: Re: Kawarezm
Post by: Desibot on June 13, 2019, 07:33:34 PM
Hi Anthony

Thanks for the great info on this coin im shocked i even got close with khwarezm
Im trying my hardest to find coins that will stump forum members  :) 
but instead learning more.


Desibot
Title: Re: Kawarezm
Post by: aws22 on June 14, 2019, 09:49:24 AM
Dear Desibot, I can help in writing legend on each side of the coin from top:
First photo:
عشرين و.......... meaning, ثلث وعشرين وستمائة , 623
 لا اله الا الله La ilah illa Allah
 محمد رسول الله Muhammad Rassul Allah
صلى الله عليه Salla Allah 'alihi
......
Second photo:
منكبرنى بن Mangubarni bin, meaning, Mangubarni son of
محمد الملك Muhammad al-Malik, meaning, Muhammad the King
العادل محمود بن Al-ĎAdil Mahmud bin, meaning, the just Mahmud son of
پیشكين بن Pishkin bin, meaning, Pishkin son of
محمد Muhammad

Maythem


Title: Re: Kawarezm
Post by: THCoins on June 14, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
Thanks for the complete transcription Maythem !

I do not think that the "al-Malik" refers to Muhammad ('Ala-ud-din Muhammad Khwarezmshah) here. I think that is the start of the title of Mahmud bin Pishkin. Firstly, the proper title of Muhammad would be "al-Sultan". Al-Malik would be a subordinate title relative to the sultan. Not visible here at the top is that there should also be an "al-Sultan al-a'zam" before the name "Mangubarni".
Further prove for this comes from a different variant of this type with a longer legend (https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1193&lot=1330). Here, "Muhammad" is preceded by "al-Sultan", and that is again followed by "al-Malik al-adil" so that last part should refer to Mahmud.
On the other specimen it seems also that the word above the Kalima is probably the "20 and" part of the date ?

Anthony
Title: Re: Kawarezm
Post by: aws22 on June 14, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Thank you Anthony, I agree with you, the second photo starts on top with السلطان الأعظم al-Sultan al-'Azam before the name "Mangubarni". Part of the date Ishreen عشرين is visible on top of first photo. The date could be 623, and at the bottom of the first photo " الناصر لدين الله أمير المؤمنين ", which is not visible.

Maythem
Title: Re: Kwarezm ? : Pishkinid, Mahmud bin Pishkin as vassal of Kwarezmshah Mangubarni
Post by: gpimper on June 18, 2019, 04:29:19 AM
I was going to that asw22 is the best at that... :-)
Title: Re: Kwarezm ? : Pishkinid, Mahmud bin Pishkin as vassal of Kwarezmshah Mangubarni
Post by: aws22 on June 18, 2019, 09:12:29 AM
Thank you Greg

Maythem