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Title: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: saro on May 08, 2019, 08:36:42 AM
This coin dated 123x (likely 1239) belongs to last persian issues struck shortly before the 4th Persia-Russia war (1242-1244 AH) ended by the treaty of Turkmenchay after which Persia has lost what are the today Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Even off centered, the mint is still identifiable /  9,4g
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: THCoins on May 08, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
Cute, bit clumsy elephant depiction on this one.
When you say the mint is still identifyable i immediately believe you. But for us mere mortals that might have been quite a challenge !
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: Figleaf on May 08, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
I was happy to find all the readable digits of the date. :)

I have been reading about this time/place. My impression was that there was a great scarcity of coin, as the uncertainty of war led citizens to hoard coins as much as possible. As a result, what circulated was badly worn or fabricated locally and the line between official coins and - to remain polite - civic issues was blurred. This coin looks official, with its nicely designed elephant and date, though.

Peter
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: capnbirdseye on May 08, 2019, 12:57:34 PM
Cute, bit clumsy elephant depiction on this one.


If you think that is bad then how about this one  :D

not sure of the mint however
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: saro on May 08, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
When you say the mint is still identifyable i immediately believe you. But for us mere mortals that might have been quite a challenge !
I agree, it's not so easy    ::)

Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: saro on May 08, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
not sure of the mint however
It isn't easy too....
I think that it gives (from bottom):" zarb falus Bandar + something at top)??"
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: capnbirdseye on May 08, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
It isn't easy too....
I think that it gives (from bottom):" zarb falus Bandar + something at top)??"

Perhaps Bandar Abbas or Bandar Abu Shahr ?
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: saro on May 08, 2019, 05:13:23 PM
That doesn't look like Bandar Abu shahr or Bandar Abbas... Rasht is also an option, with the "R" at top melted with digits of a date ?
"بندر / bandar " could be  "ست  sht" of "رست  Rasht"  ???

What is the weight ?
Title: Re: Civic copper of Erivan /elephant standing to right - dated 123x
Post by: capnbirdseye on May 08, 2019, 05:20:43 PM
That doesn't look like Bandar Abu shahr or Bandar Abbas... Rasht is also an option, with the "R" at top melted with digits of a date ?
"بندر / bandar " could be  "ست  sht" of "رست  Rasht"  ???

What is the weight ?

A difficult one for sure, added to that is also something appears above the humped back Elephant