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Title: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on February 08, 2019, 05:15:53 PM
The Falkland Islands is going to issue a new series of circulating coins. On the obverse the pieces will depict a portrait of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II by Raphael Maklouf. The coin will be produced at the Tower Mint.

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The new 5 Pence coin can be seen below:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/33152829018_496b70a350_o.jpg)(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7885/47028267241_4531d123b2_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on February 08, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Before deciding the issuance of a new circulating coin series, the Government of the Falkland Islands considered to abandon the local currency and to still only use the Pound Sterling. They decided not to do so as "The existence of a circulating currency for a country is an indication of sovereignty, identity and economic activity".

3 UK based mints submitted bids for certain denominations of circulating coins. Currently it is only known that the 5p coins will be produced at the Tower Mint.

The Government is currently considering the introduction of a new 12-sided 1 pound coin.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on February 08, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23634.0;attach=60006;image)

Above we see the existing 5 pence.  The new design would look more interesting with a different bird or animal.

On the new design, the "5" is close to the bird's wing and so should have been moved further down to give the design a less cramped look.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Alan71 on February 08, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
So they have dumped the Royal Mint for circulating coins then. 

Having “Falkland Islands” on both sides of the coin does seem a bit odd.  That’s the final reverse design then?  As <k> says, there’s really no need for the “5” to be so close to the bird.  I think I would have preferred the “Falkland Islands” removed from the reverse, “Pence” perhaps adding, and the “5” moved.

Of the UK and “the six”, the Falklands has had the oldest reverse designs in use, and they even beat the UK’s maximum 41 years for the same designs (though of course the UK’s were amended in 1982, whereas apart from the date, the Falklands’ were identical). 

It will leave Jersey’s 1983 designs as the oldest in use on a sterling-based coinage, followed by some of St Helena-Ascension’s 1984 series and Guernsey’s 1985.  The other three plus the UK will all have designs introduced in the 21st century.

Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on February 08, 2019, 06:52:38 PM
It will leave Jersey’s 1983 designs as the oldest in use on a sterling-based coinage

What about the UK "NEW" penny and 2 pence, still in use and dating back to 1971?
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Alan71 on February 08, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
What about the UK "NEW" penny and 2 pence, still in use and dating back to 1971?

I meant designs still being issued.

UK 1968-2008 (with amendments in 1982), 2008 to date
Falklands 1974-2018(?)
Jersey 1968-1981 (amended 1981) and 1982 (20p)/1983 to date
St Helena-Ascension 1984 to date (apart from 5p and 10p changed in 1998)
Guernsey 1968-1984 and 1985 to date

Gibraltar and Isle Of Man change too often to neatly include in this.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on February 08, 2019, 07:06:13 PM
So they have dumped the Royal Mint for circulating coins then.

Other denominations may still be produced at other mints. The Royal Mint is no longer the only mint that produces circulating coins for them though. I have also heard that there may be changes to who produces their commemorative coins and collectors coins too.

Quote from: Alan71
Having “Falkland Islands” on both sides of the coin does seem a bit odd.  That’s the final reverse design then?

It is indeed.

Quote from: Alan71
As <k> says, there’s really no need for the “5” to be so close to the bird.  I think I would have preferred the “Falkland Islands” removed from the reverse, “Pence” perhaps adding, and the “5” moved.

I agree with all of the above.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: africancoins on February 08, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
Evidently a quote of the Falkland Islands' authorities…..

>"The existence of a circulating currency for a country is an indication of sovereignty, identity and economic activity". <

But would they not consider that this is perhaps less obvious when there is only limited consistency in the obverse design in a series of coins ?

Or would you consider that variation in obverses across the 2019 series would be minimal ?

Thanks Mr Paul Baker
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on February 08, 2019, 07:58:47 PM
Maybe possible other mints involved in the production of the coins will also use the Raphael Maklouf portrait. If there are other mints involved in the minting of the new series and they use other portraits on the denominations they produce, I do consider that to be problematic.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Alan71 on February 08, 2019, 10:03:38 PM
Is the bird a gannet?  Looks very similar to Guernsey’s original 1p design:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/67ce5bd3b11881f8e55885853a6fa6b2.jpg)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on February 08, 2019, 10:17:16 PM
It is a black-browed albatross.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on March 29, 2019, 01:25:36 PM
The 1 Pence coin of the new series will continue to depict the design featuring 2 Gentoo Penguins and their nest by William Gardner. It will be minted at the Pobjoy Mint.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7813/46576892105_ce1322122e_o.jpg)(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7860/40526247343_6d857d242b_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on March 29, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23782.0;attach=88875;image)

Here is the original. I see they have removed Mr Gardner's initials.

One or two other slight things are different: the fonts and their size, and maybe the bottom of the shape of the figure "1".
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on March 29, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/33152829018_496b70a350_o.jpg)(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7885/47028267241_4531d123b2_o.jpg)

On this design, the year appears on the obverse. And there is a different portrait of the Queen.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on March 29, 2019, 01:31:24 PM
Yes, the designers initials are indeed gone which I consider to be a shame. Indeed other then that very little change. Furtmermore we now have 1 series with 2 different obverse portraits, the 1p depicting the Pobjoy Mint portrait and the 5p having the Tower Mint portrait. I don't quite like that.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on March 29, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
I think these are just mockups, so the real issues will probably be uniform in style.

Or maybe one of them could be a fantasy?  >:D
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on March 29, 2019, 01:35:13 PM
I think these are just mockups, so the real issues will probably be uniform in style.

They most certainly aren't mockups. The coins won't be uniform in style. The Government of the Falkland Islands invited several mints to provide bids for the production of each denomination. The mint that quotes the best price got the order for the production of the particular denomination.

Furthermore the 1p coin will again be made from copper plated steel, out of which they used to be made before 2000. After that they were made of bronze plated steel.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on March 29, 2019, 10:55:03 PM
So it look as if the Falklands are keeping the themes and maybe re-doing some but not all of them. Recently the Bahamas finished revamping its design series. In that case, all the designs were changed but the same themes were retained. That set has a uniform look, apart from some of the fonts used - especially on the obverse of the 1 and 15 cents coins.



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=87853;image)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Big_M on April 01, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
The designs come from official Falkland Government orders/laws, which even specifically mention the different effigies of the queen:

5p:
https://www.fig.gov.fk/assembly/public-papers/executive-council-papers/send/399-01-30-january-2019/2405-15-19p-coins-circulation-order-2019

1p:
https://www.fig.gov.fk/assembly/public-papers/executive-council-papers/send/401-03-27-march-2019/2453-48-19p-coins-circulation-order-no-2-2019
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Big_M on April 01, 2019, 11:22:05 AM
I now can see that doirect links do not work.

Go here:

Search (https://www.fig.gov.fk/assembly/public-papers/executive-council-papers/search)

And search "coins 2019"
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on April 01, 2019, 11:25:30 AM
The designs come from official Falkland Government orders/laws, which even specifically mention the different effigies of the queen:

So it's true. I'm blaming eurocoin for this. He has a lot of influence there and tells the treasury what to do. Alan71 wants more penguins? Eurocoin makes sure it happens.  :-X
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Figleaf on April 01, 2019, 11:30:27 AM
Nonono! Haven't you read the error message when you try those links:

Unauthorized access to downloads.
Error! Either you tried to start a download from an unauthorised resource or your browser did not send a referrer.

So where do they hand out free referrers? And how do you repeal and replace an unauthorized z?

Peter
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on April 01, 2019, 12:00:54 PM
The information as provided by me is correct, like it always is, and there is not much else to be seen there.

So it's true. I'm blaming eurocoin for this. He has a lot of influence there and tells the treasury what to do. Alan71 wants more penguins? Eurocoin makes sure it happens.  :-X

Actually I asked them to make more penguins because I heard you like them so much  ;) In fact I have fairly recently asked the management of the mint to stop making penguin 50p's and instead come up with something new.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: andyg on April 16, 2019, 09:45:28 PM
According to Falklands treasury only 1p/5p and 50p will be issued in 2019 - no complete sets.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on April 17, 2019, 09:38:31 AM
According to Falklands treasury only 1p/5p and 50p will be issued in 2019 - no complete sets.

Well, 2 months ago they mentioned they only had an urgent shortage of 5p's and 50p's and that they had enough stock of all other denominations. One month later they suddenly also claim to have an urgent shortage of 1p coins that can not wait until the tender for all coin production of the Falkland Islands is being held later in the year..  ::) Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on April 24, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
Now suddenly also the stocks of the 2p coins are low too  ::)

The new 2p coin will have the same design on its reverse featuring an Upland Goose (although the designers initials were omitted). The obverse depicts the Pobjoy Mint portrait of HM Queen Elizabeth II. The coins will be produced at the Pobjoy Mint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47636536272_989d7dbe53_o.jpg)(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46773486505_6f8df9301c_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Figleaf on April 24, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
On such a small scale circulation, I guess it doesn't take more than a large order from a coin dealer to make a new mintage necessary.

Peter
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: Alan71 on April 24, 2019, 10:16:28 PM
On the 5p diagram, does the lack of beading/teeth/whatever you call them reflect how the actual coin will look or is that just for illustrative purposes?  Just that the 1p and 2p still have them so, as well as the ugly contrast of portraits, there’s no consistency with the edge either.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on April 25, 2019, 03:47:06 PM
On the 5p diagram, does the lack of beading/teeth/whatever you call them reflect how the actual coin will look or is that just for illustrative purposes?  Just that the 1p and 2p still have them so, as well as the ugly contrast of portraits, there’s no consistency with the edge either.

The 1p and 2p will have teeth, the 5p won't. Later this year the Falkland Islands will hold a tender for all circulating coin production which will be awarded to 1 mint so likely from 2020 we will have a consistent coin series of the Falkland Islands again.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: <k> on April 25, 2019, 05:58:55 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44994.0;attach=88877;image)

Old.



(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47636536272_989d7dbe53_o.jpg)

New.



Spot the differences.
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on August 30, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
Pobjoy Mint has won a tender for the production of 2019-dated 10p and 20p coins. The reverse designs will be the same as on the current coins.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94121;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94122;image)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on August 30, 2019, 06:52:42 PM
Below the amended coins of the Falkland Islands that have so far been announced this year can be seen. The Royal Mint is no longer the exclusive supplier of Falkland Islands coins. Instead, the government of the Falkland Islands currently each time holds a tender as soon as stock of a certain denomination needs to be increased. 2019-dated coins of 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p and 20p have so far been announced. There was also a shortage of 50p coins but that has been solved by minting 200,000 of the 2018-dated commemorative penguin 50p coins (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,43270.0.html) that were first issued last year. So far no 1 pound or 2 pounds coins are planned for production in 2019 either.

The 2019-dated 5p coin will be produced at Tower Mint because of which it depicts a different portrait than the other coins, which will be produced at Pobjoy Mint. The 5p coin is also the only denomination on which a new reverse design was introduced. On the other coins only very minor changes were made to the current reverse designs.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94118;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94119;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94120;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94121;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94122;image)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: eurocoin on August 30, 2019, 07:21:35 PM
The 1p, 2p and 5p coins are now in circulation on the islands. The minted 1p coin does not look good.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=94126;image)
Title: Re: Falkland Islands: Amended series of circulating coins 2019
Post by: MCz on September 19, 2019, 08:06:07 PM
I contacted seller from Falkland Islands (I bought from him Penguins 50p series few months ago) - also 5p has been already released, he wait for 2p for the moment and for the new 10&20p but the last two will be avaliable not before 2020 (even with the date 2019 on the coins).