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Title: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on January 29, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
In 2020 Germany plans to issue five silver €20 collector coins:

The Wolf and the Seven Young Goats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_and_the_Seven_Young_Goats) (from the Grimm Fairy Tales series)
Ludwig van Beethoven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven) (born 250 years ago)
Hieronymus Carl Friedrich Freiherr von Münchhausen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Munchausen#Historical_figure) (born 300 years ago)
UEFA Euro 2020 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020) (Football Championship, 12 cities in 12 countries – canceled due to the Coronavirus pandemic)
Freiburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg_im_Breisgau) (founded 900 years ago)

These are silver (Ag 925) coins; the BU version will be issued at face while the proof version will be surcharged. Then there will be the "usual" theme series:

€5 Climate Zones (Cu-Ni - colored polymer ring): Subpolar Zone
€10 Air Moves (Cu-Ni - transparent polymer ring): On Shore
€20 Gold (Domestic Birds): White Stork (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stork)
€50 Gold (Musical Instruments): Orchestra Horn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crook_(music)) (Crook)

The €5 and €10 coins can be had at face (the proof version is more expensive), the gold pieces are surcharged.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on April 14, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Here we have the 2020 Grimm Fairy Tales coin. It was designed by Adelheid Fuss. Note that the text around the wolf-and-goats scene is in all caps; we do have an uppercase ß in German -> ẞ ... But in my opinion it just looks bad when that one, as the only character on this coin, "sticks out" like this. ::)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 06, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
Next in line is the €10 coin, from the "Air moves" series. Will probably be issued in March. Again you have a Cu-Ni center and a transparent polymer circle, but the ring will be "red bronze" this time.

The 2020 issue is about "Strandsegeln" - Land sailing, or sand yachting. The design of the image side, designed by Andre Witting, is kind of minimalistic: You see the vehicle (apparently those are called yachts too), the pilot is merely indicated by a helmet, and the only text is the six characters AN LAND - on (the) shore. (That, and the AW initials. :) )

This is the press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-06-06-PM17.html) in German. A larger image of the design is here (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-06-06-PM17-Bild.jpg;jsessionid=8BE92E5B793CB58B53D431166D4F6A50?__blob=poster&v=2).

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on June 06, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
Very excited for this coin indeed!
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 13, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
They will use color again, sigh. This is the Münchhausen design, featuring the famous Cannonball Ride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Munchausen#Fictional_character). The piece was designed by Frantisek Chochola. What I do not particularly like, apart from the blue and red spots ;) , is this mix of the historic and the fictional character. Ah well, maybe that is what Münchhausen's fame is about ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on June 13, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
I think I might have missed it, but was there another 5/10/20€ with colour?

I’m assuming this one will be available at face value just like the rest too?
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 13, 2019, 01:42:19 PM
Strictly speaking, there is no colored German coin around yet (apart from the colored polymer rings on the €5 pieces). Then again, the Weimar Constitution (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,41067.msg277211.html#msg277211) coin comes in August. :)  And yes, the unc version will as usual be available at face ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on June 13, 2019, 02:05:29 PM
Ah yes, i forgot about that one
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: redlock on June 13, 2019, 07:44:54 PM
I like the design  :)
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2019, 11:06:50 AM
Ah well, we tolerate dissenting opinions here. ;D  Still somewhat odd in my view that the German Münchhausen color thingie (which supposedly is about the historic baron) features that fictitious "ride". By the way, a few years ago Latvia issued a 1 lats (100 santimu (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Muenchhausen-1lats.jpg)) coin about the Münchhausen Museum. Could make a nice combo ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: redlock on June 14, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
Still somewhat odd in my view that the German Münchhausen color thingie (which supposedly is about the historic baron) features that fictitious "ride".

Well, as we all know, we live in a post-factual world now. Therefore, the design makes complete sense to me.  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2019, 11:39:02 PM
Oh, and the Latvians already had a great idea regarding the possible date of issue. ;) From that museum (http://minhauzens.lv/en/munchausens-world/history-of-museum/) website: "The opening ceremony of the new museum building took place on May 32, 2005. Thus, the museum celebrates its birthday every year on May 32 with a single candle and several cakes (as many cakes as the museum's age!)" We'll see when that German coin comes out, hehe.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: Prosit on June 14, 2019, 11:58:35 PM
Another Munchausen, this time a New Year Token
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/wiki/File:1989_AMTReg1.jpg

Dale

They will use color again, sigh. This is the Münchhausen design, featuring the famous Cannonball Ride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Munchausen#Fictional_character). The piece was designed by Frantisek Chochola. What I do not particularly like, apart from the blue and red spots ;) , is this mix of the historic and the fictional character. Ah well, maybe that is what Münchhausen's fame is about ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on July 25, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
The federal government has now published the issue schedule for 2020. This is the original PDF file (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Standardartikel/Service/Sammlermuenzen/2019-07-23-Ausgabetermine-2020-download.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2). Since I cannot attach it (too big), please find a "screenshot" of the schedule attached ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 01, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
And here we have the design of the Beethoven coin. Now I do not understand anyway why such collector coins have the Stars of Europe when they are, contrary to circulation and commemorative coins, legal tender only in the issuing member state. But oh well, the government wants it that way ...

This coin however, designed by Hannes Dauer, will have 2 x 12 stars. ::) Apart from that I like the design. The head is characteristic, and his hand next to his ear can be interpreted in several ways. (Press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-07-31-PM23-Muenze-Beethoven.html) in German)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on August 01, 2019, 10:36:03 PM
Thats a nice design indeed. I'm envious of that hair though
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 02, 2019, 10:21:26 AM
Yeah, except in his case ... you have the hair but cannot hear any more. :-[  Below are links to two previous German coins, issued for the 200th anniversary of his birth. Both look "more static" than the new design; I don't know whether Beethoven actually had the chin that he will have on the 2020 coin, hehe.

Federal Republic 5 DM 1970 (https://www.muenzen.eu/assets/images/6/5-dm-beethoven-1970-1d33cd66.jpg)
GDR 10 M 1970 (https://www.muenzen.eu/assets/images/7/10-mark-beethoven-1970-e23e0247.jpg)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on August 02, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
You can check it out. Beethoven's birthplace is in Bonn. He no longer lives there, but they have plenty of portraits.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 02, 2019, 11:47:07 AM
Been there (numerous times; Bonn is not far from here) but I still don't know. His birthplace is the Beethoven-Haus (https://www.beethoven.de) now, and yes, lots of portraits and busts there, and elsewhere in the city. Of course I have never seen a photo of him ;D but I still believe the portrait on that 2020 coin design is a little exaggerated in that regard.

But if the artist wanted to emphasize that "energetic chin", fine with me - as I wrote, basically I like the design. More dynamic than the 1970 coins.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on September 04, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Two more designs are known now. One is dedicated to the 900th anniversary of Freiburg; the place in the state of Baden-Württemberg got city and market rights in 1120. The coin, designed by Bastian Prillwitz, shows citizens in front of Freiburg's CoA in the center. On the left and right, some significant historic buildings, wine, and "nature" including the Schlossberg (at the top). At the bottom, some water which can refer to the river Dreisam and/or the famous Bächle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg_Bächle) in Freiburg.

(Press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-09-04-PM25-Muenze-Freiburg.html) in German, with a link to a large image (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-07-31-PM25-Bild.jpg;jsessionid=FF68B8864A5AE8F0D9FF7F4F434E93F9?__blob=poster&v=2) of the coin design.)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on September 04, 2019, 11:58:51 PM
The last €20 collector coin design is about the "Euro 2020" football cup. For the first time, this cup will be in several different countries; this is also reflected by the design (image side: Thomas Serres). The ball "fills" the entire side, and has the twelve host city names. The eagle side was designed by Erich Ott.

(Press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-09-04-PM26-Muenze-Fussball.html) in German, with a link to a large image (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-07-31-PM26-Bild.jpg?__blob=poster&v=2) of the coin design.)

Edit – The coin will not be issued this year, as the "Euro 2020" has been postponed to next year.

Christian

Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on September 05, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Looks like a medal, with the denomination hidden in a routine legend and a silver content specified in the field. Glad the designer avoided the quasi obligatory goalkeeper or tackling scene. The ball-on-coin concept is not new, but breaking through it at the centre is. In the end, it doesn't look like another commercial picture on metal, but a bit more artsy. Could have been far worse.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on September 05, 2019, 11:17:18 AM
By and large I like both designs. As for the Freiburg piece, what is a little unfortunate in my opinion is that the "shape" of the eagle apparently reflects the shape of the CoA on the other side. Does that poor bird have to have foldable wings? ;)

As I am not really interested in commercial football, I could care less about that last piece. But the "ball side" design is nice. Now I do not know why we have two different artists for the two sides. To me it looks as if the ball and the text on the theme side had an incused design while the eagle and the text on the other side are raised.

One positive aspect for collectors though. Had not thought about this, but somebody brought it up elsewhere - even though the Euro 2020 coin is a sports piece, it will simply be made by one mint. Thus no "secret hints" which in other cases made collectors look out for subtle differences and then buy all five versions. Here it will be J = Hamburg (not Munich which will be one of the Cup locations), and that's it.

Do those pieces look like medals? Maybe, in the sense that the value digits are not bigger than the other characters. Then again, collector coins are not meant to be means of payment anyway ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on September 11, 2019, 01:38:02 AM
Two more designs are known now. One is dedicated to the 900th anniversary of Freiburg; the place in the state of Baden-Württemberg got city and market rights in 1120. The coin, designed by Bastian Prillwitz, shows citizens in front of Freiburg's CoA in the center. On the left and right, some significant historic buildings, wine, and "nature" including the Schlossberg (at the top). At the bottom, some water which can refer to the river Dreisam and/or the famous Bächle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg_Bächle) in Freiburg.

(Press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-09-04-PM25-Muenze-Freiburg.html) in German, with a link to a large image (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2019/2019-07-31-PM25-Bild.jpg;jsessionid=FF68B8864A5AE8F0D9FF7F4F434E93F9?__blob=poster&v=2) of the coin design.)

Christian

Looking forward to see this coin in my hand
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on October 17, 2019, 09:30:13 PM
The €100 gold coin will be about "Unity". Now that the Unesco World Heritage series has come to an end, the federal government decided to start a new one (https://muenzenmagazin.de/heft-archiv/jahrgang-2019/duplikat-von-ausgabe-5/2019/unesco-nachfolgeserie-einigkeit-und-recht-und-freiheit.html). But it will be relatively short: three years, three issues. The theme will be the first words of the German national anthem - Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit.

So the 2020 piece will have unity (Einigkeit) as its theme. In my opinion the design should not be about, or not focus on, the 1990 German unification (Einheit) but about being or standing together. The Dutch have the word "eendracht" which (I think) is close to this Einigkeit. Quite abstract, yes, but law (Recht, 2021) and freedom (Freiheit, 2022) will be similarly difficult to picture on a coin ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: redlock on October 18, 2019, 08:46:54 AM
law (Recht, 2021)

Wouldn't ''justice'' be a better translation in the context of our (german) national anthem?
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on October 18, 2019, 08:57:07 AM
Quite possibly so. ;)  Was thinking of the term "Rule of Law", but yeah, I agree ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 13, 2020, 02:50:21 PM
This is the €100 gold coin with the Unity theme. You see St. Paul's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul%27s_Church,_Frankfurt_am_Main) in Frankfurt, the location of the first elected German parliament. On the left there are scenes from the March 1848 revolution; on the right, some National Assembly debate is pictured.

(Of course that particular design would have worked for the Freedom coin too. ;) But the government decided that "Freedom" should be symbolized by the Fall of the Berlin and the end of the GDR ...) The image side was designed by Bastian Prillwitz, the eagle or value side - same for all three issues in that series - was done by Andre Witting. So yes, that somewhat unbalanced text portion below the eagle will be on all three.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 13, 2020, 03:06:19 PM
Here are the remaining design images ... :) Now some nicer ones, from the federal government's website.

€5 (Subpolar Zone) design by Natalie Tekampe
€20 (Stork) design by Adelheid Fuss
€50 (Horn/Crook) design by Jordi Truxa

By the way, the German Numismatic Office used to have the name "Verkaufsstelle für Sammlermünzen" (VfS) and the "deutsche-sammlermuenzen.de" website. The office is now called "Münze Deutschland", and its website is here: https://www.muenze-deutschland.de

I find the name - which translates to "Coin Germany" or "Mint Germany" - a little misleading. Of course there is more than one German coin ;D and there is also more than one mint. But I suppose the old name sounded too "technical" for some ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on June 14, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
I like the "Einigkeit" design a lot, as long as it'll be put on a large piece, so that the detail comes out. The church adds much depth to the design. If it hadn't had a denomination, I might well have gone for it.

The symbolism on many levels is meaningful. There's civic protests confronted with parliamentary debate, both leading to unity as long as there is understanding, tolerance and willingness to compromise. There is a historical progression from the street protests to St. Paul's (yes, I remember visiting that church with you; very impressive) to parliament. Democracy at its very best. There is the point of parliamentarians representing the people as well as the people lending their faith to parliamentarians.

I do not agree that the design would have been good for freedom also. Achieving freedom starts with an upper class of some sort, leaving all other people without a voice and it ends with the people taking power, which is where unity starts, as in the unity design. Freedom is never unlimited, my freedom ends where yours begins. Organising in a parliamentary democracy is in fact surrendering part of your freedom to a trusted parliamentary representative, who should act in the interest of the whole country, not in any individual interest, least of all his own.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
The design I like too. Now the three "themes" are, as you will know, the first words of the German national anthem: Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit. When Hoffmann von Fallersleben wrote them (as part of his Lied der Deutschen) in 1841, he implied and emphasized that they are closely connected.

In fact, the 1848 National Assembly was about all three, unity and justice and freedom: The members of that parliament wanted to create a unified country, write a constitution, and do away with the limitation of freedom by authoritarian princes. If you see it from that point, St. Paul's would even have worked as a design for all three issues. ;)

Just like the previous Unesco series, those €100 coins will be half-ounce pieces, with a diameter of 28 mm. The next two coins in that "Values" mini-series will feature the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court, Karlsruhe) on the 2021/Justice piece, and the Brandenburg Gate (Berlin) on the 2022/Freedom issue. Bastian Prillwitz designed the image sides of all three coins.

Side note: The Corona pandemic also influenced the issue schedule; the "regular"/BU version of both the Freiburg and the Münchhausen coins will be available as from 9 July.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on June 14, 2020, 04:09:47 PM
The three are closely connected in that they overlap, but they are not the same. There is an interesting parallel in the French equivalent Liberté Egalité Fraternité - Freedom Equality, Brotherhood. The words were chosen as a direct reaction on the absolutist kings, just as the German motto was chosen as a reaction on the pushback from nobility on liberalism after the Napoleonic wars. Liberté and Freiheit are the same concept, of course. Egalité is equality before the law, narrower than the word Recht, but to a large extent going in the same direction. Fraternité and Einigkeit similarly are not too far apart, both going into the direction of solidarity.

The point of this comparison is that France issued (pseudo-)coins for the parts of its motto also and that the parts of the motto also overlap. There was even a domed building on one of those coins. How about that? ;)

If the message remains though-provoking and admired, that's more important than the medium, not the other way around.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2020 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on July 06, 2020, 08:50:40 AM
Quick side note – just got a note from the Numismatic Office (https://www.muenze-deutschland.de) about the prices of surcharged collector coins. Since the German government lowered the full VAT rate from 19% to 16% (Corona stimulus, from 1 Jul until 31 Dec only), the 2020 pieces such as the "Freiburg" coin will be a little less expensive.

That one will be issued on 9 July, and the unc version can be had at face at Bundesbank branch offices and various commercial banks. The surcharged proof version will now cost 34 euro (€34.07 to be precise). This price also applies to other €20 coins that the Numismatic Office sells. The proof set with all €20 pieces issued this year can be had for €134.47 ...

This reduced tax rate also applies to other surcharged coins that they sell. Gold collector coins (no VAT) are not affected.

Christian