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Design and designing => Coin design => Topic started by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 12:35:30 AM

Title: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 12:35:30 AM
How many different circulation sets have used design gimmicks? Here is one gimmick, though it extends across two years. Gibraltar issued a set of circulation designs for its coin series of 2004. In 2005, it used the same designs but on different denominations!
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 12:38:11 AM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13758.0;attach=72331;image)

An illustration of Matthew Dent's "jigsaw" set.



In 2008, the UK issued a circulation series whose individuals designs could form a sort of jigsaw picture. I believe one or two other circulation sets have used such a gimmick.
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 12:42:24 AM
In 1994, Cape Verde issued circulation coins with three sets of design themes: birds, flowers, and ships. Anomalously, there was only a single 1 escudo design, which showed a turtle.



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=75121;image)



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=75120;image)



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=75119;image)



See also: Modern coinage of Cabo Verde (Cape Verde) (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,44475.0.html).
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 12:43:45 AM
Can you think of any other such gimmicks used for circulation sets?
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Figleaf on January 08, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
Can you specify what you mean by gimmick? If a hologram counts, Spain. If a denomination in symbols counts, Tonga, Netherlands.

Peter
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 08, 2019, 10:51:27 PM
Can you specify what you mean by gimmick? If a hologram counts, Spain. If a denomination in symbols counts, Tonga, Netherlands.

Peter

I've given you three good examples. The concept is by its nature subjective - it's what you might regard as a gimmick. Gimmick is rather a negative word - perhaps innovation might be more useful. After all, things that were regarded as gimmicks in the past may become standard.

Tonga - see below. As for Spain, the Netherlands - which years, denominations?



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43032.0;attach=83287;image)

Tonga.  One animal or plant per unit of denominations, e.g. 1 pig, 2 water melons, 5 bananas, 10 cows, 20 bees, 50 fish, 100 trees.
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Figleaf on January 08, 2019, 11:45:11 PM
Spain: KM 924 - 500 ptas 1993-2000.
Netherlands 1982-2000:
vertical lines, 2 piece bar - 5 cent
vertical lines, 1 piece bar - 10 cent
hor & ver lines, 4 piece bar - 25 cent
hor & ver lines, 1 piece bar - 1 gulden
hor, ver and diag lines, 4 piece bar - 2½ gulden
hor, ver and diag lines, 2 piece bar - 5 gulden

The number of pieces in the bar stand for 1, ½ and ¼; the lines for a power of 10, e.g. if there had been a 50 cent piece, it would have had hor & ver lines and a 2 piece bar (102 * ½)

Peter
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 09, 2019, 12:19:26 AM
The Netherlands - what a disgracefully obscure system - I can't get my head round it.



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15066.0;attach=24292;image)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15066.0;attach=24291;image)

Could somebody please pick a relevant piece and explain it, step by step. The 2½ unit would be a good start.
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Figleaf on January 09, 2019, 12:29:26 AM
OK, the 2½ gulden (it's actually simpler than the £sd system)
Peter
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 09, 2019, 12:33:46 AM
Thank you. I see now. It's rather convoluted, though. Who ever invented it was a serious nerd.  ::)
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Figleaf on January 09, 2019, 12:36:25 AM
You mean that having 100 trees on a coin is not nerdy? :)

Peter
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 09, 2019, 12:38:39 AM
Yes, but it's more playful, rather than Asperger's. The big failing of the Dutch designs is that the number of individual lines is without significance.
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Figleaf on January 09, 2019, 01:35:41 AM
No. The designer needed four lines because the bar had to be divided in four pieces max and the divisions of the bar are aligned with the horizontal lines.

Ninaber van Eyben, the designer, had his photo studio in The Hague. I worked at the ministry of Economic Affairs at the time. The shop was on the way from the ministry to the prime minister's office, so I passed it often. At the time, coins were usually designed by sculptors, used to working in 3D. A coin design by a photographer, used to working in 2D was innovative. You will find that the portrait is also quite different from the usual, but in line with how an art photographer would create depth in 2D.

Peter
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: Pabitra on January 09, 2019, 03:08:10 AM
No
The designs by Bruno are considered to be a milestone in design.They are still referred as important even after 30 years ( in 2013).
See

http://www.ijdesign.org/index.php/IJDesign/article/view/1512/590
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 09, 2019, 01:56:14 PM
Can you specify what you mean by gimmick? If a hologram counts, Spain: KM 924 - 500 ptas 1993-2000.

Your example applies to a single denomination. I was specifically looking for gimmicks that extend across a whole set, or at least part of it. However, I can see that my title is ambiguous in that respect, so I shall have to amend it.

Nonetheless, I shall illustrate your example. This coin has a latent image, a crowned "M", for the Madrid Mint. It has been added as a security feature, since the 500 pesetas coin was a high value denomination. As I mentioned up-thread, "things that were regarded as gimmicks in the past may become standard". Latent images are now reasonably common, but it may be that Spain provided the first circulating example - does anybody know?

See also: Latent images on coins (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,19864.0.html).
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: quaziright on January 09, 2019, 03:21:53 PM
Would you count the australian circulation set that commemorates their Dollar coins or the canadian sets to commemorate confederation? tbh, i can't really tell what you mean by gimmick. I understand that as a ploy to get collectors to buy them, so Cape Verde and Gibraltar fit the bill. But the UK or even Tonga? that seems out of place
Title: Re: Design gimmicks that extend across a whole circulation set
Post by: <k> on January 09, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
As I wrote up-thread, what you regard as a gimmick is a subjective concept. I regard the UK jigsaw concept as a gimmick (a concept in low taste) and I know fellow collectors who do also. Others may think it a fine thing - it's up to them.

Also, it's in the nature of the "gimmicks" I'm thinking about that they are unusual in their approach, and therefore they stand out. One-off commemorative sets such as the Australian and Canadian versions do not stand out, as there are now several such sets from various countries. However, when the Canadian 1967 set was released, some might have regarded it as a gimmick in that it spread commemoratives across a whole circulation set, instead of just one or two coins. Others may have been impressed and regarded it as a fine innovation. And here I repeat myself once more: what starts as a gimmick may over the years become standard.

Moreover, the motivation behind a gimmick or innovation as regards a circulation set is not usually to attract collectors. This is because the set will circulate anyway. With collector coins, gimmicks or innovations will indeed attract more buyers in some cases.

If you do not like the word "gimmick" in my topic title, then suggest something else. I think that the phrase "design innovations" would not quite convey the full flavour of the topic. Any suggestions?