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Ancient coins => Barbarians and Celts => Topic started by: Pellinore on August 02, 2018, 12:50:28 AM

Title: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: Pellinore on August 02, 2018, 12:50:28 AM
I wonder what you think of this. Recently I bought a (in my eyes) very beautiful Celtic tetradrachm in VF but excellent condition. Not a very high price either. A very human portrait with an expressive toothless smile (many elderly rulers must have sneered and snarled toothlessly) and telling eyes. That's a good catch! I thought.

After it arrived, it took me not too long to discover it is a fourrée. The edges are giving that away quite clearly, but now you know you will see it immediately in my pics. The coin with its beautiful high relief is maybe a bit low in weight, but for a barbarous imitation quite acceptable.

I'm in two minds about this. A very attractive contemporary Celtic imitation, but a fourrée. Is that as should be?
The seller should have mentioned it. I probably would have chosen another coin. But still, a prize, I think.

Eastern Celts, Lower Danube. Uncertain tribe. Early 3rd century BC. Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis. Obv. Laureate head of Zeus t.r., behind it, a leaf. Rev. Jockey and horse riding t.r. Under it, labda over a bucranium. Under the prancing leg of the horse, an A. 24.5 mm, 13.85 gr. Not in Flesche (? or 640?).

 
Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: THCoins on August 02, 2018, 07:52:42 PM
A very nicely executed design and strike for a Celtic imitation. I do feel concerned also about the fourree nature. This was not just an alternative silver monetary piece, but meant to deceive. ..On the other hand, a contemporary imitation of an imitation also makes it something special.
Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: richtea on August 18, 2018, 12:21:13 AM
I'm confused. You know its a modern fake, or am I misunderstanding?

If so, then it's skillfully done, but disappointing that it wasn't in Celtic hands a couple of thousand years ago.
If it was a contemporary forgery made in Celtic times that would be more interesting - well, to me.
Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: Pellinore on August 18, 2018, 12:45:44 AM
I think it is an ancient coin, a fourrée, not a modern imitation. It's a very beautiful coin - but a fourrée.
-- Paul
Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: Arminius on August 18, 2018, 08:15:43 AM
Expressive style and portrait !
The horse is not just a horse. It looks like some mythological being.

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Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: richtea on August 18, 2018, 07:54:43 PM
I think it is an ancient coin, a fourrée, not a modern imitation. It's a very beautiful coin - but a fourrée.
-- Paul

Ah, I didn't realise that fourrée meant that. I was under the impression fourrée just meant plated, not plated AND ancient. Apologies.
In that case, it's fabulous, and definitely a keeper!

The ones I'm used to seeing have been in damp UK soil, and the base metal has oxidised - causing the plate to flake off.
Example from Museum of Wales:
https://museum.wales/media/40632/forged-charles-1-crown.jpg
Title: Re: Early imitation of a Philip II tetradrachm of Amphipolis
Post by: Pellinore on August 18, 2018, 10:57:13 PM
Quite! (Quelle horreur, your picture!) See here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourr%C3%A9e).
A contemporary counterfeit, that's what I believe this to be. Don't know where to find this in the books about Celtic imitations of Macedon coins. It would help if I knew if there are more such known.
Here are some pictures of the problem.
-- Paul