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Collecting coins => The law, breaking it, international shipping => Topic started by: Pabitra on June 04, 2018, 06:47:34 PM

Title: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: Pabitra on June 04, 2018, 06:47:34 PM
Any comments?


http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=196338
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: Figleaf on June 04, 2018, 10:43:19 PM
Don't know what the law is in Hong Kong. In countries where I do know the system, there are rules for making copies of banknotes for commercial purposes. Usually, it is OK to publish pictures of banknotes that are in perspective (their silhouet is not rectangular), significantly smaller than the real thing, unsharp, half covered etc. When the picture could as it were be cut out if necessary and used as money, it has to be defaced, e.g. with the word SPECIMEN printed diagonally across.

It may be that the prop makers didn't respect these rules. If they didn't want SPECIMEN to appear on the props, they could have made the banknotes smaller. I don't think that would have been visible in a film. If they didn't respect the rules they are guilty as charged. Film makers are not above the law.

It is of little importance that they are of good character in this case. The risk was not that they would use the props as money, but that the fake notes would fall into the hands of people who would use them as money. A worst case scenario would have been that Hong Kong would have been forced to issue newly designed banknotes on very short notice, which is risky and expensive. However, it is likely that this was not the intention of the film makers. That explains the suspended sentence (message: OK, we believe you, just don't do this again) and the ongoing investigation of the case against Lam Ling-Tung, which may be on whether he had used or tried to use the fake notes to pay.

Peter
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: chrisild on June 05, 2018, 05:10:42 PM
As for options such as adding the word "specimen" or making the reproduction larger/smaller than a real note, this is how the European Central Bank puts it for example: http://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/legal/pdf/l_11820130430en00370042.pdf

See Article 2(3) and 2(4): "Reproductions complying with the following criteria shall be deemed lawful, since there is no risk that the general public might mistake them for genuine euro banknotes" ...

Christian
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: Pabitra on June 25, 2018, 06:24:43 AM
HKMA issues the guidelines

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=196982&sid=4
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: chrisild on August 09, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
If you want to produce notes that look like real bills to the eyes of a movie audience, be careful. Just "labeling" it may not be enough - you could still end up in jail.

CoinsWeekly just had a summarizing article (https://www.coinsweekly.com/en/News/Prop-money-leads-to-prison-sentence/4?&id=5525) (2 August) about what happened to two prop makers in Hong Kong: In May they were sentenced to four months-based prop makers. "The judge explained her decision by pointing to the danger of someone stealing and uttering said money."

Christian
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: chrisild on November 26, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
The police in Wuppertal (NW, DE) has just published a warning about prop money being "distributed" in W'tal and nearby Solingen. Seems that somebody placed them at different spots in the cities. Some found notes were brought to the police; in a few other cases the finder tried to pay with them.

Each of these notes is marked "Prop copy" and does not have certain security features that regular euro notes have. No watermark, no see-through window. Also, if you find more than one of the same denomination, you can tell that the serial number is the same. Why they were "left" in the cities is not known.

This prop money was legally made, and of course you can pick such a note up. But do not try and spend it; this will result in police investigations ...

Press release (https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/11811/4450734) in German. If you follow that link and then click on "Download" below the photo, you get a larger (2.8 MB) version of the image.

Christian
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: malj1 on November 26, 2019, 10:22:33 PM
Here is a British fiver from the 1950s used by MGM ~ of course its long past its 'use by' date now.

Made for Motion Picture use only M.G.M. Studios
Title: Re: "Movie money" results in prison sentence
Post by: chrisild on November 30, 2019, 12:04:00 AM
Another one presented by the police here. Not sure why they pop up these days, but this one even says PRΩP instead of EYPΩ ... :)

Christian