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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Iran and Afghanistan => Civic issues => Topic started by: saro on April 07, 2018, 09:56:38 AM

Title: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 07, 2018, 09:56:38 AM
This small and thick copper coin bears with no doubt the persian Lion & Sun "signature".
I think that it reads " zar(b) Amid" and not "Amul".
Amid (today Diyarbakir in Turkey) has well been under Safavid control for a short time during Ottoman-Safavids wars but no surviving persian coins are known it seems  ??? (the 2 coins listed on Zeno belong, I think, to earlier dynasties).
(on the other hand, no civic coppers from Amul (on Caspian sea) are known...)

The legend is a little smooth and difficult to decipher / no date it seems.
It is to notice that the small script of the die matches to the coin's size (I want to say that isn't a "normal" die struck on a very small flan)

13x 16mm / 5mm thickness / 6,35g 

Any Idea or suggestion on it ?
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: capnbirdseye on April 07, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
Interesting coin,  I can see where you read Amid,  possibly it's part of a longer word or maybe the die engraver couldn't spell Muhammad  :D  I'll put it on Fb for you & see if anyone can come up with an answer
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 07, 2018, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: capnbirdseye on April 07, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
Interesting coin,  I can see where you read Amid,  possibly it's part of a longer word or maybe the die engraver couldn't spell Muhammad  :D  I'll put it on Fb for you & see if anyone can come up with an answer
Thank you Vic  :) and yes :there is something else written before "zar(b)" and what I read as "Amid" ( "baldat" بلدت ? )
joined for comparaison of script  : central part of an Ottoman copper of Amid mint 926 AH-  / Suleyman I
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: capnbirdseye on April 07, 2018, 01:16:29 PM
No replies from Fb yet,  Stan Goron is well into collecting  Afghan/Iranian coins so hopefully he may comment if he sees the post
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 07, 2018, 02:37:11 PM
wait and see...and thanks again.
I wonder if the strange peripheric script  couldn't be in fact a scalloped cartouche around "Amid"  ??? not easy to detect indeed at first view...  or I'm having hallucinations  ::)??
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 07, 2018, 04:45:00 PM
It is what I see...
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: Figleaf on April 08, 2018, 07:18:12 AM
FWIW, while I can see the red and green parts very clearly, I have difficulty seeing the grey scalloped cartouche.

Peter
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 08, 2018, 08:13:16 AM
Quote from: Figleaf on April 08, 2018, 07:18:12 AM
I have difficulty seeing the grey scalloped cartouche.
Not surprising Peter, I had too...  the upper part seems to me to be a part of a wavy cartouche  ???
Title: Re: Civic copper Amid mint ?
Post by: saro on April 09, 2018, 10:27:32 AM
From these few examplars listed on Zeno : Amul ( آمل Amol) or Amid (آمد ) is still the question.... safavids coppers are unknown for both  :-\