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Title: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 27, 2018, 08:12:15 PM
The Royal Mint will this year issue 26 different commemorative 10p coins, each with a different letter of the alphabet. B is for Bond and P for Postbox etc. The coins will be issued in March.

Let the coin hunt begin!  :D

Source: World of Coins Forum.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: onecenter on January 27, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
Reminds me of a similar series used in Australia.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 27, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
The Royal Mint will this year issue 26 different commemorative 10p coins, each with a different letter of the alphabet. B is for Bond and P for Postbox etc. The coins will be issued in March.

Let the coin hunt begin!  :D

Source: World of Coins Forum.
This is a serious post, right?  With the Royal Mint these days, little would surprise me. 😀
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 27, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
This is a serious post, right?

It is certainly serious. 26 commemorative 10p coins.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on January 27, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
26 commemorative 10p coins.

Circulation commemoratives?  :o
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 27, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
It is certainly serious. 26 commemorative 10p coins.
I think I’ve heard it all now!  This sounds like a very silly idea for a series.  It’s for kids (and young kids at that) so I think I’ll pass on it.

Someone in Coin News suggested many years ago that the 10p could be used for portraits of Kings and Queens through the ages.  That wouldn’t have been a bad idea.  Anything is better than letters of the alphabet.

I think the Royal Mint have gone past scraping the bottom of the barrel.  They’ve scraped a giant hole through the bottom.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on January 27, 2018, 08:57:20 PM
Can anyone find the entry for this new coin in the The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/)?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 27, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Can anyone find the entry for this new coin in the The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/)?
That link doesn’t seem to work - I get “the page you are looking for can’t be found”.

This A to Z series... I’m assuming that all the designs used to represent each letter will have British connections.  My mind wondered into what they might do for X and Z.  Z is easier - it appears Zebra crossings are a UK invention (I didn’t know that until I just Wikipedia’d it).  And better still, the coin could show the most famous zebra crossing of all - Abbey Road.

X is harder... the two most obvious candidates - X-Ray and xylophone - are not British inventions.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on January 27, 2018, 09:15:36 PM
Site is https://www.thegazette.co.uk/

My understanding is that all coins should have an entry here with the details when they have been approved.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 27, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
I can't find them....
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?sort-by=latest-date&text=royal+mint&location-distance-1=1&service=all-notices&categorycode-all=all&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10&results-page=1 (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?sort-by=latest-date&text=royal+mint&location-distance-1=1&service=all-notices&categorycode-all=all&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10&results-page=1)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 27, 2018, 09:58:57 PM
Can anyone find the entry for this new coin in the The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/)?

I can't find them....
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?sort-by=latest-date&text=royal+mint&location-distance-1=1&service=all-notices&categorycode-all=all&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10&results-page=1 (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?sort-by=latest-date&text=royal+mint&location-distance-1=1&service=all-notices&categorycode-all=all&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10&results-page=1)

It is not March yet.

Production of the coins has started yesterday.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 27, 2018, 10:11:20 PM
Just 1 message with your remark will do.


Link doesn't work in the first post so there is no need not to be polite thanks.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 27, 2018, 10:50:12 PM
Lets not get offtopic  ;)

The fact that a Bond 10p coin was going to be issued was already known for quite some time after the Mint mistakenly published a product page for it in their webshop. I thought it was already posted on here by me or someone else but apparently not. That the 'Bond' would be the letter B and that it would be part of a series with all 26 letters of the alphabet was not yet known.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 27, 2018, 11:05:57 PM
The fact that a Bond 10p coin was going to be issued was already known for quite some time after the Mint mistakenly published a product page for it in their webshop. I thought it was already posted on here by me or someone else but apparently not. That the 'Bond' would be the letter B and that it would be part of a series with all 26 letters of the alphabet was not yet known.

It got mixed up with the 1p I think.

Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 27, 2018, 11:06:43 PM
The fact that a Bond 10p coin was going to be issued was already known for quite some time after the Mint mistakenly published a product page for it in their webshop. I thought it was already posted on here by me or someone else but apparently not.
You did mention it.  I speculated that it was either James Bond or Michael Bond, as it’s Paddington Bear’s 60th Birthday this year.  If it was the latter (which it clearly now isn’t) I wondered why Paddington was only given one 10p coin while Beatrix Potter characters are on an apparently never-ending series of 50p coins.

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Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 27, 2018, 11:21:37 PM
Circulation commemoratives?  :o

Yes.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on January 28, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
It is not March yet.

Production of the coins has started yesterday.

 ???

Usually, there is first an annoucement in an official government paper/web-site about a new circulation coin before minting begins. I thought that this is the custon in the UK, too. I know for sure, that's how its done in Australia, Canada and Germany.
Hence, it's a bit strange that I can't find a post on the UK gazette either. However, if you say they have already begun minting the coin(s) I believe you.


Good luck hunting down 26 commemorative circulation 10p coins.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have a very low mintage to make the ''hunt'' more ''exciting.'' Or buying a complete set from the Royal Mint more ''attractive.''
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 28, 2018, 11:26:06 AM
???

Usually, there is first an annoucement in an official government paper/web-site about a new circulation coin before minting begins. I thought that this is the custon in the UK, too. I know for sure, that's how its done in Australia, Canada and Germany.
Hence, it's a bit strange that I can't find a post on the UK gazette either. However, if you say they have already begun minting the coin(s) I believe you.
Is that still the case?  In the “old days”, the Queen would have to issue letters patent (or whatever they were called) when a new coin or design was issued.  With the Mint now using coins to commemorate the opening of an envelope, the Queen would be doing little else! 

The Royal Mint has become a much more commercially orientated organisation and, although still owned by the government, seems to be given free reign as long as it makes a profit for them.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on January 28, 2018, 11:56:29 AM
Now the Queen issues a Royal Proclamation, on the advice of her Privy Council, and The Gazette reports these Royal Proclamations.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 28, 2018, 12:22:20 PM
Thanks <k>.  When should that happen normally?  At some point in advance?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 28, 2018, 01:22:26 PM
The publication in the Gazette is only a formality. By the time a proclamation is being made, the Mint already knows for quite some time that the Queen has no objection to the themes and designs. A proclamation is in any case being made before issuance.

One day exclusive news used to come from the Gazette, for a long time that went well because only few collectors that could be trusted knew about it and these kept their mouth shut. Then the mint suddenly mentioned it on its blog and collectors started to spread the fact information can be obtained from the Gazette everywhere. So these days to get some exclusive information I need to get it one step earlier (before a Gazette is being published). Because of good sources that is possible, but unfortunately it also means that no evidence to back up my claims can be shown. Anyway, I didn't cause this situation.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 28, 2018, 02:52:02 PM
well, the 10p's have been on facebook for a few days now - ever since someone claimed to have seen them being minted....

In these days of "fake news" I tend to keep quiet until the proper announcement, rather than just the rumours ;)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on January 28, 2018, 02:53:11 PM
well, the 10p's have been on facebook for a few days now - ever since someone claimed to have seen them being minted....

Vot iss your sauce, pleass?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 28, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Vot iss your sauce, pleass?

A fellow forum member.  As I say I try not to report rumours - for that is all this was. eurocoin obviously has better sources than I.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on January 28, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
I see.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 28, 2018, 02:59:19 PM
I see.

It's not just that - I was quite dubious about the whole thing until it appeared here and the connection was made with the mysterious "bond" 10p.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 28, 2018, 03:16:00 PM
well, the 10p's have been on facebook for a few days now - ever since someone claimed to have seen them being minted....

As a leading news provider to over 75 Facebook groups which in total contain 45,000 British collectors, I can confirm this information is incorrect. I regret that the person who apparently accuses me of lying does so behind my back in a very sneeky way. I am surprised that a moderator of this forum lowers himself to this kind of level. If this person has any further problems I am more than happy to discuss these with him through PM.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 28, 2018, 03:18:53 PM
As a leading news provider to over 75 Facebook groups which in total contain 45,000 British collectors, I can confirm this information is incorrect. I regret that the person who apparently accuses me of lying does so behind my back in a very sneeky way. I regret a moderator of this forum lowers himself to this kind of level. If Mr Ahlquist has any further problems I am more than happy to discuss these with him through PM.

NOBODY is accusing anyone of LYING.
How soon we go back to our old ways!!
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 28, 2018, 03:26:17 PM
NOBODY is accusing anyone of LYING.
How soon we go back to our old ways!!

Maybe not lying but at least of providing incorrect information. There is being said the information was not exclusive, which is in contrary to what I wrote and which is also incorrect. You present what a member told you as facts.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on January 28, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
in addition - this information did not come from Ken.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 28, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
Maybe not lying but at least of providing incorrect information. There is being said the information was not exclusive, which is in contrary to what I wrote and which is also incorrect. You present what a member told you as facts.
You perhaps should have given it some thought before you made your previous post.  As moderator of this particular forum (though andyg as the global mod out-ranks me  :) ), I ask you to not spoil it for yourself again.  Remember the conditions you agreed to.

I accept you’re not going to give sources, but that does mean others will try and look for them and question why none are (yet) to be found.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on January 28, 2018, 03:45:32 PM
All if did was ask about the Royal Proclamation on here and on a closed Facebook page, since I was interested in reading what it said.

So what false information did I provide about the A-Z 10 pence coins?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on January 28, 2018, 03:52:05 PM
All if did was ask about the Royal Proclamation on here and on a closed Facebook page, since I was interested in reading what it said.

So what false information did I provide about the A-Z 10 pence coins?

My message was already edited 25 minutes before you posted this.  ;)

You perhaps should have given it some thought before you made your previous post.

While I consider my credibility to be very important, I would say I would agree to that.

I accept you’re not going to give sources, but that does mean others will try and look for them and question why none are (yet) to be found.

Of course they can do so. I hope the provided background information gives a better understanding of the reasons behind it. If anyone has any doubts about something I have posted they can point it out in the topic or send a PM to me and I will be more than happy to help.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on January 28, 2018, 04:07:54 PM
OK, thanks for that, eurocoin.

Can I suggest we all get back to the discussion?  Unless we get to 1 April and still nothing has been announced, I’m willing to accept that no one would post anything on here without reliable sources, and that naming sources could jeopardise future information from them.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: onecenter on January 28, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
I purchased an Australian 2015 set of coins with an uncirculated 50-cent piece for the birth of Princess Charlotte.  Included with the set are nine frosted uncirculated colorized one dollar coins that spell out 'Charlotte.'  I wonder if the forthcoming British 10 pence issues of A through Z will be used for similar items.  I am not partial to colorized coins, but the Royal Mint did a nice job for the 2002 Commonwealth Games two-pound coins in sets and the five-pound crowns for the 2012 Olympiad.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 03, 2018, 09:12:29 AM
These appear to be the themes that some of the letter coins will refer to. Not all of these were checked and confirmed to me.

A = Angel of the North
B = Bond
C = Cricket
F = Fish & chips
H = Houses of Parliament
P = Postbox
S = Stonehenge
W = Westminster
Y = Yale
Z = Zebra crossing
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on February 03, 2018, 11:01:45 AM
I was right on the Zebra crossing then, though it was quite an easy guess.  X still not known though.  I imagine it will be contrived.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on February 03, 2018, 08:12:10 PM
X still not known though.  I imagine it will be contrived.

Well, not, if there is a warrior princess with the name ''Xenia'' somewhere in british history  ;D
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on February 03, 2018, 08:36:10 PM
Xenon comes to my mind since it was discovered in England by the Scottish chemist William Ramsay and English chemist Morris Travers in September 1898.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on February 04, 2018, 12:36:25 AM
Xenon comes to my mind since it was discovered in England by the Scottish chemist William Ramsay and English chemist Morris Travers in September 1898.
I think you’re onto something there.  I’d like to say, “I’d not thought of that”, but in reality I don’t think I’d ever heard of it until I saw your post!  :D
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on February 04, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
Xenon comes to my mind since it was discovered in England by the Scottish chemist William Ramsay and English chemist Morris Travers in September 1898.

I think we have a winner for the letter ''X''  8)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on February 04, 2018, 12:47:16 PM
When I was at school X was always for X-Ray ;D
There were indeed several Brits involved with early research into X rays though so it's not as daft as it might seem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hall-Edwards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hall-Edwards)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on February 04, 2018, 03:50:17 PM
I must admit that when I first looked up x-ray, I didn’t read further enough down.  A German physicist is usually credited with discovering them, but you’re right, it was a Brit that (apparently unknowingly) was the first to produce them.  Possibly two contenders for X then.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: chrisild on February 06, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
That "German" would be Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen (https://www.muenzen.eu/assets/images/9/10-dm-roentgen-1995-5f80b179.jpg). Well, he was born in Prussia, grew up in the Netherlands where they kicked him out of school. :)  As for that alphabet series, sounds like a mint's money making plan to me, hehe. But if the designs are attractive ...

Christian
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 09, 2018, 01:07:58 PM
The full list of what each coin will depict. The coins will both depict the letter and the theme.

A - Angel of the North
B - A view down a gun barrel with James Bond logo
C- Cricketer striking a ball
D- Double-decker bus
E - English breakfast
F - Fish and chips
G - Globe with a marked line to indicate the Greenwich Meridian
H - The badge of the Houses of Parliament
I - An ice cream cone
J - Depiction of the Gold State Coach
K - King Arthur and the knights of the round table
L - Loch Ness Monster
M - A Mackintosh
N - Stethoscope to denote the National Health Service
O - A sprig of oak with an acorn
P - A postbox and a street
Q - A depiction of queuing
R- Robin
S - A view of Stonehenge
T - Steaming tea pot
U - A part of the Union Flag
V - Depiction of a village street
W - A spider's web
X - A ship off the shore of a coast
Y - Yeoman warder and a key
Z - Zebra crossing
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: FosseWay on February 10, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
What on earth is the description for X supposed to mean?  ???

I've seen this list verbatim elsewhere, so it's not a typo in this thread.

My other thought is that this is a very anglocentric series. There are max two items that are neither generically British nor specifically English. One is the Loch Ness Monster. The other is the mackintosh - but although it was invented by a Scot it is not specifically Scottish as the garments are found all over. Nothing from Wales or Northern Ireland at all.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 10, 2018, 06:10:27 PM
I believe Kena had a theory for the X, I unfortunately can not remember what he thought it was though.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on February 10, 2018, 07:35:24 PM
I believe Kena had a theory for the X, I unfortunately can not remember what he thought it was though.
I’ve been trying to work it out.  X marks the spot??!  Two forum members came up with quite plausible possibilities for X but the actual one sounds as contrived as I thought it might be.  Was there a ship with a name starting with X??  Or a name of a type of ship starting with X?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on February 10, 2018, 07:39:01 PM
This thread is much to long and tangential.

Which tangents do you think deserve their own thread?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: quaziright on February 10, 2018, 07:43:15 PM
Would be nice to have this 10p series split off into its own thread. I did not know until now that there were plans afoot to do issue such a large series. I thought this thread referred only to 50p, 1ppund and 2pound coins since as far as I know, those are typically the denominations for circulation

I learnt X is for Xylophone. Now when I think about it, why would anyone teach such an obscure word to small children
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on February 10, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Would be nice to have this 10p series split off into its own thread. I did not know until now that there were plans afoot to do issue such a large series.

Good idea.

Quote
I learnt X is for Xylophone. Now when I think about it, why would anyone teach such an obscure word to small children

Because there are so few English words starting with x, perhaps? Do we really even need the letter?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 10, 2018, 07:53:37 PM
I’ve been trying to work it out.  X marks the spot??!  Two forum members came up with quite plausible possibilities for X but the actual one sounds as contrived as I thought it might be.  Was there a ship with a name starting with X??  Or a name of a type of ship starting with X?

I think that 'X marks the spot' was indeed what Ken wrote.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: onecenter on February 10, 2018, 09:36:59 PM
http://agaunews.com/portfolio-items/2015-alphabet-coin-collection-royal-australian-mint/

The above-referenced website has the colorized silver versions of Australia's alphabet coins.  I have a set of the aluminum-bronze dollars issued for the birth of Princess Charlotte.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 12, 2018, 08:04:11 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4702/28449040469_517d04ffd7_o.jpg)



What some of the 10p coins look like. Image of the Westminster Collection website. I don't really like the designs (the letters being in all kinds of fonts, shapes, sizes and places). Though they will apparently be available at a reasonable price (2.50 pounds).

Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on February 12, 2018, 11:30:35 PM
Yes, it was X marks that spot that me and some others came up when trying to determine what a ship off the shore of a coast might mean.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on February 18, 2018, 06:34:54 PM
This went live on 9th Feb, which is where the list comes from -
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2965802 (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2965802)

(a) a depiction of the Angel of the North and the letter A; or

(b) a view down a gun barrel with the James Bond logo and the letter B; or

(c) a cricketer striking a ball and the letter C; or

(d) a depiction of a double-decker bus and the letter D; or

(e) a depiction of an English breakfast and the letter E; or

(f) a depiction of fish and chips and the letter F; or

(g) a globe with a marked line to indicate the Greenwich Meridian and the letter G; or

(h) the badge of the Houses of Parliament and the letter H; or

(i) an ice cream cone and the letter I; or

(j) a depiction of the Gold State Coach and the letter J; or

(k) a depiction of King Arthur and the knights of the round table with the letter K; or

(l) a depiction of the Loch Ness Monster and the letter L; or

(m) a Mackintosh and the letter M; or

(n) a stethoscope and the letter N to denote the National Health Service; or

(o) a sprig of oak with an acorn and the letter O; or

(p) a postbox on a street and the letter P; or

(q) a depiction of people queuing through the letter Q; or

(r) a robin and the letter R; or

(s) a view of Stonehenge and the letter S; or

(t) a steaming tea pot and the letter T; or

(u) part of a Union Flag and the letter U; or

(v) a depiction of a village street and the letter V; or

(w) a spider’s web and the letter W; or

(x) a ship off the shore of a coast and the letter X; or

(y) a Yeoman Warder and a key with the letter Y; or

(z) a zebra crossing and the letter Z.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on February 18, 2018, 09:23:22 PM
Well done on being the first to publish it here. The Gazette had nothing new for weeks, so I gave up looking at it.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on February 18, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
Personally I think we could come up with a better alphabet of British things -

(b) for Battered Mars Bars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar)

(c) for Celebrity Big Brother (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(UK_TV_series)) - a British invention we should be proud of.  Although the Dutch invented Big Brother itself.

(h) for House of Lords - Isn't it wonderful having an unelected house full of toffs to tell us what to do.

(j) for Jordan - no not the country - this one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Price)

(l) for Leyland - British Leyland (http://British Leyland)

(m) for Mail - yes the Daily Mail that staple of Britishness.

(p) for Passports - Blue is the "in" colour.

(r) for Royals - and specifically all the hangers on we're not really sure are royal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Michael_of_Kent)

(s) for Salad Cream (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_cream) - if you've never tasted this then you don't know what you are missing.

(w) for World cup and all the times we've won it.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on February 18, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
Or (p) as in "taking the" ?  ;)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on February 18, 2018, 10:28:40 PM
Or (p) as in "taking the" ?  ;)

The whole idea of this 10p series I think is suitable for that comment!

(t) could be for Ten Pence coin - to commemorate the 10p commemorative coin series of 2018.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on February 19, 2018, 06:02:18 AM
Well done on being the first to publish it here. The Gazette had nothing new for weeks, so I gave up looking at it.

It was already on here 1,5 weeks ago and some themes already longer than that. 
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 01, 2018, 01:16:07 AM
Only 100,000 pieces of each letter will be released into circulation.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4658/39834363544_1dce59d18f_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 01, 2018, 08:02:32 AM
The Royal Mint does not disclose the names of the designers of these 26 coins, stating they were made by a team of the very best Royal Mint designers.

In contrary to reports of the media, according to The Royal Mint 100,000 pieces have so far been minted, which leaves the option more will be released into circulation.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Figleaf on March 01, 2018, 08:57:59 AM
The Royal Mint does not disclose the names of the designers of these 26 coins, stating they were made by a team of the very best Royal Mint designers.

One wonders what the worst of the Royal Mint designers get paid for ;D

Peter
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on March 01, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
Only 100,000 pieces of each letter will be released into circulation.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4658/39834363544_1dce59d18f_o.jpg)
Which is, of course, fewer than either the notorious Kew Gardens or 1992 EC Conference Table 50p coins.  With 2.6 million in total, there is a fair chance of getting at least one of the designs in change, but all 26 would be unlikely.

I succumbed, I ordered them all from the Royal Mint.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on March 02, 2018, 02:11:12 AM
I was more interested in seeing the obverse. The Stonehenge design is the only one that I like.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: quaziright on March 02, 2018, 02:17:11 AM
Which is, of course, fewer than either the notorious Kew Gardens or 1992 EC Conference Table 50p coins.  With 2.6 million in total, there is a fair chance of getting at least one of the designs in change, but all 26 would be unlikely.

I succumbed, I ordered them all from the Royal Mint.

I as well. Unlike the aussie $1 alphabet series, this one technically circulates. Sitting on the other side of the pond, it just makes sense to buy it outright rather than try to swap for them
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on March 02, 2018, 07:09:54 AM
I would have preferred Harry Potter for the letter H. ;D

How much would the complete set cost, if bought from a dealer? Royal Mint is selling it for £16 (postage will be extra).

Aditya
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on March 02, 2018, 07:45:22 AM
Update: I just noticed that price of £16 is for 8 coins (letters C, O, I, N, H, U, N, T), not the complete set! :o

OK, I'm not going to get the set. ;D

Aditya
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on March 02, 2018, 07:52:36 AM
£52 for full set, postage is free.
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on March 02, 2018, 08:00:16 AM
£52 for full set, postage is free.

Yes, I realized that, however postage will not be free if the delivery address is of India. ;) I guess Indian buyers won't have to pay the VAT?

Aditya

Edit: Just checked, postage cost to India is £12.50...
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: FosseWay on March 02, 2018, 09:16:26 AM
£52 for full set, postage is free.

£52 for £2.60 face value.... Some markup  ::)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on March 02, 2018, 09:29:13 AM
and I thought the markup on the £5 coins which they sell for £13 was bad......
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on March 02, 2018, 01:09:30 PM
Agreed, but if they really are issuing only 100,000 of each into circulation, they’ll soon be changing hands for much more.  Hopefully that 100,000 figure will remain (the ones they are selling are “early strikes” meaning part of those issue figures, not additional to them).
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: quaziright on March 02, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
Yes, I realized that, however postage will not be free if the delivery address is of India. ;) I guess Indian buyers won't have to pay the VAT?

Aditya

Edit: Just checked, postage cost to India is £12.50...

Why would Indian buyers not pay vat if other international buyers would indeed have to pay full price? It came up to £52 plus £12.5shipping to Canada. Have you ordered from the royal mint and received such a discount before?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: quaziright on March 02, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
Why would Indian buyers not pay vat if other international buyers would indeed have to pay full price? It came up to £52 plus £12.5shipping to Canada. Have you ordered from the royal mint and received such a discount before?

Oh I must apologize. I just checked the receipt and indeed paid £43.42. With shipping it’s £55.92
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on March 02, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
Why would Indian buyers not pay vat if other international buyers would indeed have to pay full price? It came up to £52 plus £12.5shipping to Canada. Have you ordered from the royal mint and received such a discount before?

I have never ordered anything directly from RM, but we definitely don't have to pay VAT.

Couple of years back, I was surfing on the RM website and I added some £5 for £5 coins to my basket. Then I noticed that they had deducted the VAT amount from the selling price and showed price of less than £5 for the £5 coin. :D I didn't go ahead as I wasn't really interested in those, but I guess that alerted the RM staff and they rectified the glitch few days later.

Aditya
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: FosseWay on March 02, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
VAT is an internal EU thing. If you are a visitor to the EU and buy stuff for export you can often get the VAT removed or refunded. Conversely, you can be liable for VAT on items brought into the EU from outside. The Swedish customs service has started clamping down on goods ordered from China for this reason.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 02, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Product range:

Early strike uncirculated - Plastic ziplock bag - 2 pounds (available at The Royal Mint)
Early strike uncirculated - Plastic packaging - 4 pounds (available at Crown Post Offices) These are being sold as BU although they are not!
Silver proof - Capsule inside of a bit of cardboard - 35 pounds (available at The Royal Mint and the Crown Post Offices)

Mintage of all of these is unlimited. So far The Royal Mint has minted 100,000 pieces of each coin for circulation, these will be released into circulation by the Crown Post Offices only from March 5. They will not be sent to the cash centres.

There are also name frames, acryllic blocks and collectors folders available to store the coins in.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on March 03, 2018, 09:53:55 AM
Ah, “so far”... that means these coins probably won’t end up being that rare then...

eurocoin, I just want to say thanks for posting this all those weeks ago.  I certainly couldn’t find it anywhere else on the web prior to Thursday.  There may have been some initial doubters on here, but everything you told us has come to fruition.  Even the timing - you said it would be announced in March, and sure enough, 1 March it was!
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 03, 2018, 03:48:41 PM
Ah, “so far”... that means these coins probably won’t end up being that rare then...

Let's wait and see.

eurocoin, I just want to say thanks for posting this all those weeks ago.  I certainly couldn’t find it anywhere else on the web prior to Thursday.  There may have been some initial doubters on here, but everything you told us has come to fruition.  Even the timing - you said it would be announced in March, and sure enough, 1 March it was!

I am glad to have been able to put some nice news on here.

I had hoped to have also been able to show all of the designs here first. Although it could definitely have succeeded to obtain the designs for WoC on February 27 already, I was diplomatical in my conversations with the mint due to which it unfortunately didn't.
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on March 03, 2018, 04:33:20 PM
If the mintage is indeed going to be unlimited, then I don't think it's wise to spend £52 for the set right now (It's unjustifiable even if the mintage is limited to 100,000). I'll just wait to see more coins in circulation in next few months...

Aditya
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 03, 2018, 04:45:06 PM
Keep in mind that the more of these coins people find in circulation, the fewer they will buy from the Mint to be able to complete their set. And as the mint only earns money on the ones they sell, I expect mintage for circulation to remain (fairly) low. Although the early strike ones are unlimited (they of course have to stop minting at December 31), I can not see millions of these being sold from the post offices and The Royal Mint website. Therefore I think eventually it will be a quite good buy. Sets are currently already selling at a profit on eBay. I am considering to buy a set of these, which would be my first ever purchase from The Royal Mint.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on March 04, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
Keep in mind that the more of these coins people find in circulation, the fewer they will buy from the Mint to be able to complete their set. And as the mint only earns money on the ones they sell, I expect mintage for circulation to remain (fairly) low.

The mint only needs to make two, three or four of the 26 coins really rare to sell the sets.  ;)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 04, 2018, 01:15:12 PM
An acquiantance pointed out the wording on their website on the page of the Silver Proof ones: "Made in the UK and certified by The Royal Mint". Does this leave an option (some of) these were minted at Pobjoy, Tower or Commonwealth Mint?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on March 09, 2018, 02:46:43 PM
The post offices will receive mixed bags each containing both standard 10p coins as well as a few alphabet 10p coins. They have been ordered to "help collectors collect them" and although not all crown post offices have the mixed bags in yet, a visit to the nearest crown post office may be worthwile for our British members  ;)
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: quaziright on March 10, 2018, 01:08:08 AM
I got a message from the RM that my order has been delayed and I’ll get it by the end of the month
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: augsburger on March 26, 2018, 04:46:07 PM
The mint is getting really good at stoking the fire.

They release figures that are rather vague. There might be 100,000 of these coins released. That could be 100,000 of all of them, of 100,000 of each of them, you don't know. It might just be the beginning, it might be the end. It's designed to strike fear into the hearts of people that they could, potentially, miss out on making a killing, or maybe miss out of spending way too much money on shell tokens with the queen's head on one side.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on March 26, 2018, 05:27:44 PM
Some of think that the FAQ's regarding these coins have changed over time.

https://www.royalmint.com/coinhunt/faqs/

What is the definition of Early Strike?
The Early Strike AtoZ 10p's are the first 500,000 struck of each letter.

How many coins are being made?
To date more than 2.6 million circulating 10p coins have been struck across the 26 designs and additional volumes will continue to be struck in line with UK demand

Any idea of the die life for UK 10 pence coin?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: andyg on March 26, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
Some of think that the FAQ's regarding these coins have changed over time.

https://www.royalmint.com/coinhunt/faqs/

What is the definition of Early Strike?
The Early Strike AtoZ 10p's are the first 500,000 struck of each letter.

How many coins are being made?
To date more than 2.6 million circulating 10p coins have been struck across the 26 designs and additional volumes will continue to be struck in line with UK demand

Any idea of the die life for UK 10 pence coin?

US idea for early strike is the first few strikes from the die - Royal Mint idea for early strike I suspect is the first 500,000 coins - regardless of the state of the die - Much like the differing ideas for BU.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: kena on March 26, 2018, 07:49:57 PM
The US Mint does not use such words, the term was created by the grading companies.

https://www.apmex.com/education/investing/first-strike-label-and-early-release

DEFINING FIRST STRIKE AND EARLY RELEASE COINS
Among mints, there is no industry-wide standard for First Strike or Early Release coins. However, the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) and Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC), both leaders in third-party certification, define First Strike and Early Release coins as those received by the grading service in the first 30 days of release from the mint. Collectors and dealers pay a per-coin fee to gain special certification and packaging for coins under the PCGS First Strike and NGC Early Releases programs. Cutoff dates for coin certification are listed publicly and are generally verified using packaging postmarks. While PCGS focuses primarily on coins produced by the U.S. Mint, NGC certifies Early Release coins from mints spanning the globe.

Collectors should be aware the manufacturing mint, including the U.S. Mint, does not apply the First Strike label or Early Release designation to any of its products. The U.S. Mint also does not track the order in which coins are produced and does not number its products.

According to the U.S. Mint, strict quality controls ensure each coin in a series is equally valuable and created using the highest quality dies. The mint also states its manufacturing facilities replace die sets multiple times during production so a collector is unlikely to pinpoint exactly which coins were produced first from a new die set.

While the U.S. Mint does not recognize any differences between First Strike coins and any other coin minted during a production run, some collectors value the distinction of owning the most freshly minted coins. In rare cases, these coins may have been produced before a design mistake was corrected or other change was made. Small distinctions between coins add interest and enjoyment for many collectors. Official certification packaging on a coin may also raise a coin’s resale value and premium over time.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on April 16, 2018, 04:56:21 PM
The Royal Mint has refused to provide me the names of the designers of the alphabet 10p coins. The mint has said there is "no pressing social need" for the names to be published.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on April 16, 2018, 09:00:48 PM
There is no pressing legal need for them not to be published, either. Previously the Royal Mint has been happy to publish the names of designers of UK coins.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: <k> on April 16, 2018, 09:05:05 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41647.0;attach=80581;image)

I'm also disappointed that the Royal Mint has published images such as these. The coins look totally non-realistic. Anyway, I've just looked in the mirror, and my face looks exactly like a cartoon. Who is doing this? First coins, now humans. Does anybody else think we're in the Matrix?
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: FosseWay on April 17, 2018, 01:04:16 PM
There is no pressing legal need for them not to be published, either. Previously the Royal Mint has been happy to publish the names of designers of UK coins.

Unless they promised anonymity during the selection process, I guess. To be honest I'm scratching my head as to why an artist would actively want to remain anonymous rather than promote his/her work and take advantage of the publicity of a nationally significant commission. But if there is such a person, and they have participated on the understanding that the designers would remain anonymous, then there could be a legal hindrance to publicising them.

But broadly I agree with <k>, it is strange and an unwelcome development.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: Alan71 on April 17, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
But then again, who would want to be known for producing a coin design of a fried breakfast?  It’s the numismatic equivalent of taking a photo of your meal and posting it on Facebook.  :D
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on April 18, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
An acquiantance pointed out the wording on their website on the page of the Silver Proof ones: "Made in the UK and certified by The Royal Mint". Does this leave an option (some of) these were minted at Pobjoy, Tower or Commonwealth Mint?

To answer this question myself: All coins were produced at the Royal Mint.
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on April 18, 2018, 05:23:19 PM
I have been seeing many people finding these in change, indeed a nice job by RM! :)

Aditya
Title: Alphabet series
Post by: Bimat on October 09, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
Royal Mint has put into circulation (https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/royal-mint-releases-26-million-13382611) another batch of 2.6 million 10p coins of the Alphabet series.

Aditya
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: augsburger on October 10, 2018, 02:03:50 AM
They squeezed the money out of those people who were worried they'd not get these coins now. Time to start pumping them into circulation.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on October 11, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
The post office employees have been warned this time:

Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: augsburger on October 11, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Well, if they produce enough coins there wouldn't be an issue because these people wouldn't actually care.
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: redlock on October 11, 2018, 07:54:39 PM
Well, if they produce enough coins there wouldn't be an issue because these people wouldn't actually care.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Alphabet series
Post by: eurocoin on November 04, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
The designs on the J and Z coins were made by Bradley Morgan Johnson.

(https://www.changechecker.org/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?pad=true&constrain=false&height=250&width=250&image=/coin-images/245/J.png)(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FpwAAOSwKvJapFKw/s-l300.jpg)