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Forum and community information => Scanning, photography and image manipulation => Topic started by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 01:05:03 PM

Title: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
Here's another option: you can use this thread (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,74.0.html) to get your pictures on the WoC site. They will be available for embedding elsewhere on the site.

Peter

I tried that once, but the images are hidden in the Living Room. So, you only see the links to those images, IF YOU ARE LOGGED IN AS A MEMBER. If you log out, and look at the linked image in a public board, it then does not appear. Solution: move the Picture container thread to a public board, without restrictions, such as Coin Collecting, and keep it locked. It does not matter if surfers can see it - either they will enjoy looking at it or just ignore it.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 04, 2017, 01:19:49 PM
The solution would be worse than the problem. Moving the thread would break the links to it. They'd have to be repaired one by one by hand. Locking the thread would make it inaccessible to members, except anointed (global) moderators and administrators.

Peter
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
Moving the thread would break the links to it.
Peter

True - I didn't think of that.  :(  So, the Picture container thread is still only a solution for members who are logged in. Otherwise, it's still a big task to restore all those images.  :'(
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: malj1 on July 04, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
How about Picture container no.2 somewhere else? such as Computer and forum software issues and pinned at the top.

or a name like ex-photobucket or similar.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
How about Picture container no.2 somewhere else? such as Computer and forum software issues and pinned at the top.

or a name like ex-photobucket or similar.

That's a good idea. But will every member be able to post? What about those who post for maybe a month and then never return?
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 04, 2017, 01:51:47 PM
That's fine. Anybody can open such a thread...

Peter
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
How about Picture container no.2 somewhere else? such as Computer and forum software issues and pinned at the top.

or a name like ex-photobucket or similar.

Just a thought - the Computer and forum software issues board is also private to members. Linked images will not be displayed to surfers. I suggest putting it in the Coin Collecting board instead, then the linked images will be public.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: malj1 on July 04, 2017, 02:01:30 PM
...What about those who post for maybe a month and then never return?

They could, in may cases, be deleted to clean up the threads. After a simple check to see when they last visited the forum.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 04, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
I can see a case for cleaning up useless fuzzy and too-small images abandoned by the owners, but good pictures ought to stay, even with the owners gone with the wind.

Peter
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: malj1 on July 04, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
I only meant those images that have been replaced by a Photobucket tag image rendering these threads useless with no hope of the member returning.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Bimat on July 04, 2017, 02:49:06 PM
I'm really not bothered about images posted by 'short term' members. If their images are lost permanently, let them be. Let us try to 'save' images of regular members by some means. If not all, then at least maximum of them!

Aditya
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 04, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
I'm getting a bit confused as to why we need a board to put photo's on and then link them to your post  ???   why not just add the photo direct to your post in the first place?
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 04, 2017, 03:09:54 PM
@ mal: We agree. Those are useless.

@Capn: Posting and embedding is a trick to get pictures within a text, rather than at the end. It's normally not very important, but in long posts it is useful to have pics near the part of the text that refers to them.

Peter
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 04, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
@ mal: We agree. Those are useless.

@Capn: Posting and embedding is a trick to get pictures within a text, rather than at the end. It's normally not very important, but in long posts it is useful to have pics near the part of the text that refers to them.

Peter

I understand it now, rarely making really long posts myself it's not occured to me I suppose
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: eurocoin on July 04, 2017, 03:31:59 PM
What are the possibilities of abandoning the 126kb limit? And how can the problems that arise from that be solved?

Everyone will understand that if we get rid of the 126kb limit and introduce such topic as suggested by <k>, the problem will be solved for the future and the now gone images can be re-uploaded. A board in which everyone is allowed to start a topic with his/her image container, only if the member feels he needs such thing.

We have at present 2,550 messages that contain 1 or more images that are hosted on Photobucket. A few thousand images on this forum that are being hosted on Photobucket have now been blocked. Photobucket was already struggling and it is to be expected that the company will be out of business soon, rendering all Photobucket images on this forum useless. There are no backups in the Webarchive, Archive.is and Google Cache as Photobucket does not allow crawlers. Other image hosting sites too are struggling (e.g. Postimage).

This problem should be taken serious. The number of page views on the forum has decreased for years now and I am sure  things will only get worse if no long-term solution will be put in place.

Making sure the forum will still be here in the future is also about ensuring that no content gets lost.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 04, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
What are the possibilities of abandoning the 126kb limit? And how can the problems that arise from that be solved?


I don't know the server costs to run it but I would think that if the site permitted hi res photo's and everyone began to upload hi res images it would use a lot more bandwidth.  The current limit allows perfectly good photo's
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image)

Very quick public link test.

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http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image
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http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image)

After.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 03:57:23 PM
The solution would be worse than the problem. Moving the thread would break the links to it. They'd have to be repaired one by one by hand. Locking the thread would make it inaccessible to members, except anointed (global) moderators and administrators.

Peter

I just publicly linked, in a coin design board post (now merged into this topic, above), to a Living Room topic image and saved the link.

Then I briefly moved the Living Room topic to the Coin Design board and again linked to the image. The link URL did not change - see my "before" and "after" links above. I have now returned the topic to the Living Room. This means that the Picture Container thread CAN safely be moved.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Overlord on July 04, 2017, 04:03:01 PM
Excellent solution! This resolves the query I had a while back regarding resizing images using the "IMG" tag:

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image)

(You can click the image to view the fill sized one. The smaller one is easier to view on a tablet/mobile phone without scrolling.)
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[img width=400]http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33748.0;attach=58631;image[/img]
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: eurocoin on July 04, 2017, 04:06:07 PM
I don't know the server costs to run it but I would think that if the site permitted hi res photo's and everyone began to upload hi res images it would use a lot more bandwidth.  The current limit allows perfectly good photo's

Probably but it is part of the problem why people choose to upload their images on some free hosting site and embed them here. There do in fact exist programs (and possibly it can also be done online) to compress images to a file size that can be posted on this forum but it is all circuitous and I am sure the average member will never do so much effort to be able to upload their images directly to the forum.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 04:18:08 PM
Most members are very good with apps and computers these days, and do know how to do it. You get the odd person who keeps complaining, "But it's too hard!" Some people will just not learn, but  most will take the trouble to learn the few simple steps to compress a photo. This board has instructions on how to do it. It's only difficult if a person is lazy.

Apart from anything else, learning how to use graphics software is very enjoyable. It has lots of other uses, too.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: eurocoin on July 04, 2017, 04:36:55 PM
Most members are very good with apps and computers these days, and do know how to do it. You get the odd person who keeps complaining, "But it's too hard!" Some people will just not learn, but  most will take the trouble to learn the few simple steps to compress a photo. This board has instructions on how to do it. It's only difficult if a person is lazy.

Apart from anything else, learning how to use graphics software is very enjoyable. It has lots of other uses, too.

I strongly disagree with you. Nobody wants it, virtually nobody does it and nobody will do it. Isn't there some kind of mod (yes I know Peter is more or less allergic for them) which before uploading compresses the image file size, or is it possible to let make such thing.

Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: <k> on July 04, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
Look at capnbirdseye and malj1 - older men, but they are very good at it, happy to teach, and happy to learn more. Our members are generally more intelligent than the average. Why wouldn't they want to learn?
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: FosseWay on July 04, 2017, 08:49:21 PM
Isn't there some kind of mod ... which before uploading compresses the image file size, or is it possible to let make such thing.

Yes, there are tools that do that. Facebook does it - I upload raw images in giant format straight off the camera and it resizes them to its specifications. I have no idea whether that technology is publicly available or if so, if it is compatible with WoC.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: andyg on July 04, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
The worst part about all this is that other free image hosting sites will be watching Photobucket over the next few months to see what happens to their business model,  It is quite likely others will then follow suit.  Moving pictures to another "free" hosting site will only be temporary solution in the long run, especially as you cannot control what happens to your pictures using a 3rd party site.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 05, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
I am working with Izotz to find out what we can do to improve the picture situation. At this time, the maximum picture size on WoC is locked in, owing to activities elsewhere, but everything is temporary. Remember also that space taken by useless picture information is no longer available for hosting other people's sites. It would be an easy choice for me...

Anything that doesn't cost money is OK, though. There is no impediment for starting a "picture container2" thread.

Peter
Title: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Bimat on July 05, 2017, 03:47:31 PM
I added a poll to this topic to see what are members' expectations w.r.t. size of an attachment. Please vote (but result of this poll does not guarantee its implementation. ;))

Poll runs for 7 days.

Aditya
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: andyg on July 05, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
It's all very well asking for a bigger limit but someone has to pay for it via increased hosting costs....

I added a poll to this topic to see what are members' expectations w.r.t. size of an attachment. Please vote (but result of this poll does not guarantee its implementation. ;))

Poll runs for 7 days.

Aditya
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Figleaf on July 05, 2017, 10:58:40 PM
As I explained above, the picture size limit cannot be changed. Izotz and I gave the available modifications a hard look. We came away empty-handed. The available modifications would either not do what we want - make the pictures smaller and retain sharpness (some would even make our problems worse), or they would be old and not upgraded for years, so they wouldn't work with the current version of the software or worse.

What is possible is a stand-alone solution. By googling free online resizer jpeg I got three results:
http://resizeimage.net
http://www.picresize.com
http://compressimage.toolur.com

I would like you to try these or any others you know about and report on the results in this thread. If there is a clear winner, we'll recommend it to all comers.

Please have some pity on Izotz. He's travelling and has the many personal obligations of an ex-patriate. He'll be back in two weeks or so.

Peter
Title: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Bimat on July 06, 2017, 05:53:29 AM
It's all very well asking for a bigger limit but someone has to pay for it via increased hosting costs....

Current status shows that most of the people are happy with current limit of 128 kb per attachment.

The purpose of this poll was to see what our members think about this limit, or whether they want to get it increased. Whether it's technically possible/it's financial implications is a different matter altogether, I said so in my post too. :)

Aditya
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 06, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
I put 250Kb  :-[  even though I am more than happy with the way it is - simply because the photo's straight off my camera with lowest settings come out around that size and I wouldn't have to mess around reducing them,  in reality it takes just a few seconds to lower the res with the Photoscape slider so if I could alter it my vote goes with the majority at the current setting
Title: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: Bimat on July 06, 2017, 10:20:05 AM
I have now modified the poll settings. You can change your vote if you wish. ;)

Aditya
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: FosseWay on July 06, 2017, 11:44:11 AM
I voted to keep the limit as it is.

Unless you habitually upload photos of plÄtmynt, that size should be plenty big enough for objects that in real life rarely exceed 40 x 40 mm. I would rather we were able to gather as many pictures as possible on WoC, than pander to people who refuse to follow instructions and upload images with unnecessarily high resolution or a huge amount of blank space around the coin.

As we have said multiple times over the years, you do not need any special software to produce WoC-compatible pictures. You do not even need to download any of the various free programs (though as Malcolm said, learning to use them is an advantage in itself) - Windows Paint or Mac Preview are automatically installed with the respective OS and offer everything you need to remove unwanted parts of images and resize them.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: izotz on July 06, 2017, 01:20:09 PM
Hi all,

Sorry I didn't reply to this before but I'm currently off, with limited connectivity.

Not much to add to Figleaf's words. As a technology enthusiast, I'm usually quite open to offer new features in general. For example, I try to keep forum software up to date, as this allows us to get the latest and greatest in terms of functionality and security. But at the same time, mods are usually poorly maintained, so most times the main issue is not only that they don't give you what you need, but that they have not been updated in the last 5 years and therefore they will not work with our current version.

Even if having to convert the file to an appropriate format (jpg, gif, etc) and size looks like a hurdle, I think it shouldn't be too bad as long as other members are happy to help giving directions, and actually it may be an useful learning for many other purposes.

I should be more accessible in two weeks, when I'll try to catch up with a couple of pending topics. Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: Hosting and embedding on WoC
Post by: malj1 on July 06, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
As we have said multiple times over the years, you do not need any special software to produce WoC-compatible pictures. You do not even need to download any of the various free programs (though as Malcolm said, learning to use them is an advantage in itself) - Windows Paint or Mac Preview are automatically installed with the respective OS and offer everything you need to remove unwanted parts of images and resize them.

Windows 10 have just added a new Paint 3D which is even more useful.