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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Iran and Afghanistan => Topic started by: Manzikert on June 17, 2017, 01:33:09 AM

Title: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: Manzikert on June 17, 2017, 01:33:09 AM
I was looking at a few of my unidentified items (this particular one came with a group of 5 Ilkhanid one and two dirhems) and realised that the central inscription seems to be the " 'Ali Musi al-Reza" inscription from the token in my earlier post.

The item is a bracteate, with the inscription in a central circle and a further inscription (which I can't read except for " 'Ali" and "Mohammed"). it weighs just 0.32 gm, is 15mm in diameter and is apparently silver. Presumably this is a more recent token (early 20th century?) from the Imam Reza shrine. Can anyone help me with reading the outer inscription please?

As an interesting aside, this token also has a '4' (which I have noticed on some of the private 'shahi sefid' pieces) at upper left of the central inscription. Does anyone have an idea of the significance of this number?

Alan
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: aws22 on June 17, 2017, 02:35:22 AM
Dear Alan, the words in the margin read الله محمد علی فاطمه حسن و حسین, Allah Mohammad Ali Fatimah Hassan and Hussein.

Maythem
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: saro on June 17, 2017, 08:25:36 AM
Very nice token and flash reply !  :applause: to both

The signification of the digit "4" on iranian religious or good luck tokens is puzzling  ??? I hope that someone will bring light...
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: Manzikert on June 17, 2017, 10:14:54 AM
Thank you very much for the reading Maythem.

I had a suspicion Hassan/Hussein might be in there, but no certatinty, and Fatimah would completely defeat me.

The four remains a puzzle, but I hope someday someone might enlighten us :-\

Alan
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: aws22 on June 17, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
Dear Saro and Alan, after looking at different medals and tokens with the name Ali Musa Al-Reza, I came to the conclusion that it is not digit " 4 ۴ " but an abbreviation to the expression "علیه السلام", this expression is used after any of the Shiite 12 Imams and it means "Peace upon him". Some times it is written as an abbreviation letter " ع Ain", but in our case it is written in a calligraphic form as "۴ ". Attached is a medal showing the above description clearly.

Maythem
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: aws22 on June 17, 2017, 08:13:39 PM
Dear Alan, with regard to the names in the margin of the medal or token refer to the name of “Allah الله “ plus the five names of Ahl al-Kisa,  أهل الكساء or the People of the Cloak, which refers to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad; his daughter, Fatimah; his cousin and son-in-law Ali; and his two grandsons Hassan and Hussein.

Maythem
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: Figleaf on June 18, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: aws22 on June 18, 2017, 09:16:50 AM
Thank you Peter.

Maythem
Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: Manzikert on June 18, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
Thank you very much for that explanation Maythem, it sounds very probable. I will add that information to my other four tokens with the '4' on.

I of course knew of Ali, Fatimah, Husayn and Hussein, but it was the reading of the Arabic that I was doubtful of. I'd not heard of that group being called the 'people of the cloak' but good old Wikipedia has a Ahl al-Kisa entry which cleared that up for me.

Thank you again for your help with his one.

Alan


Title: Re: Another token from the shrine of Imam Reza at Meshed?
Post by: aws22 on June 18, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Thank you Alan, I am glad that the digit 4 puzzle has been solved. As for the six names in the margin, I thought of clarifying that, because it is normal to have the names of the Shiite 12 Imams in the margin of Persian coins, in the case of your coin the name of Allah and the five names of Ahl al-Kisa were only mentioned.

Maythem