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Collecting coins => Fakes and imitations => Topic started by: Overlord on June 02, 2017, 05:00:13 PM

Title: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 02, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
Thanks. I read about urine patina in Larson's book and, somewhere online, about "goat patina" (apparently, you feed the coin to a goat and let it pass through its digestive system).

As for the odd silver coins I mentioned, I can't find an exact example now but this one comes close:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tiberius-14-37-AD-AR-denarius-Incuse-of-obverse-RARE-/292108266970?hash=item4403026dda:g:SmAAAOSw03lY5gK8

I wrote "aluminium-painted" as the surface of such coins appears to be non-uniformly coated with a silvery paint with some gray portions visible.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Figleaf on June 02, 2017, 05:30:50 PM
Both urine and the intestines of animals are heavily acidic. Both sound like uncontrolled voodoo chemistry to me. :P

The Tiberius coin doesn't look good to me. Brockage is typical for screwed and machine-struck coins. The ex-centric strike on both sides is a bit much of a coincidence and I can't explain the upward-curved edge at eight o'clock.

Peter
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 02, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
Thanks. I was specifically referring to the paint-like silver colour, which I see on almost all "budget" silvers of Julius Caesar, Augustus, and Tiberius online.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Figleaf on June 02, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
Yes, the colour looks funny on the pic, but it's better to judge in hand, as it may just be the camera.

Peter
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 03, 2017, 04:36:44 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 03, 2017, 05:41:21 AM
Both urine and the intestines of animals are heavily acidic. Both sound like uncontrolled voodoo chemistry to me. :P
Urine of a healthy person is not heavily acidic. Larson's book mentions the forger Carl Wilhelm Becker, who was bit of an expert in the area, claimed that morning urine was better than afternoon urine; that a woman's urine turned bronze coins a different shade of green than a man's urine; and the urine of a beer drinker produced different tones than that of a consumer of wine. The method is to bury coins in different types of soil (with the type affecting the colour and finish as well), "sprinkle" the spot two or three times a day for a week or two, and recover them after a month
One day we may see eBay ads like "Superb patina. Personally watered!"  :D
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Arminius on June 03, 2017, 11:16:45 PM
Urine of a healthy person is not heavily acidic. Larson's book mentions the forger Carl Wilhelm Becker, who was bit of an expert in the area, claimed that morning urine was better than afternoon urine; that a woman's urine turned bronze coins a different shade of green than a man's urine; and the urine of a beer drinker produced different tones than that of a consumer of wine. The method is to bury coins in different types of soil (with the type affecting the colour and finish as well), "sprinkle" the spot two or three times a day for a week or two, and recover them after a month
One day we may see eBay ads like "Superb patina. Personally watered!"  :D

Let us start an intensive test series with different wines and beers!

 :)
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 04, 2017, 09:24:15 AM
Let us start an intensive test series with different wines and beers!

 :)
Save yourself the effort by ordering best quality urine bottles from me. Our carefully pre-screened subjects are fed nothing but the chosen high-quality liquor over a span of 24 hours to ensure that the resulting stuff is of the highest purity. Collection is done in a controlled environment to prevent contamination. We also subject the product to over 28 different tests in order to ensure that our customers get nothing but the best. We offer products across a wide price range to suit every budget (from £350/bottle for 1928 Chateau d'Yquem vintage to £25 per bottle for Joe's Ol' Stinky).

Free shipping worldwide if you order 4 or more bottles! I'll even throw in a small vial of dragon urine with every order. These are available in extremely limited quantity, so please hurry!

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Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Figleaf on June 04, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
8) This reminds me of the condom laboratory we set up in our minds as students. It didn't work. Everyone wanted to be head of research and testing and nobody wanted to keep the books. >:D

The Yquem sounds like a bargain...

Peter
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Prosit on June 04, 2017, 02:43:23 PM
Urine got its name because it contains uric acid. Or maybe uric acid got its name because a ready source was urine. Regardless it is an acid. I would think that it is the nitrogen in it that does the patination but not sure of that.

Most meats and fish as well as Brussel sprouts and spinach are fairly high in natural uric acid. Most food has some.

Dale
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Figleaf on June 04, 2017, 02:59:37 PM
Watching political news should have an acidifying effect on urine also. I presume it activates the gall bladder as well.

Peter
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Prosit on June 04, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
I put out a lot of effort not watching political news. I would rather watch paint dry.
Dale


Watching political news should have an acidifying effect on urine also. I presume it activates the gall bladder as well.

Peter
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: redwine on June 05, 2017, 03:59:37 PM
Save yourself the effort by ordering best quality urine bottles from me. Our carefully pre-screened subjects are fed nothing but the chosen high-quality liquor over a span of 24 hours to ensure that the resulting stuff is of the highest purity. Collection is done in a controlled environment to prevent contamination. We also subject the product to over 28 different tests in order to ensure that our customers get nothing but the best. We offer products across a wide price range to suit every budget (from £350/bottle for 1928 Chateau d'Yquem vintage to £25 per bottle for Joe's Ol' Stinky).

Free shipping worldwide if you order 4 or more bottles! I'll even throw in a small vial of dragon urine with every order. These are available in extremely limited quantity, so please hurry!

PS: To sweeten the deal, there is an exclusive 15% discount for WOC members (mention code PISSSCON15 in the order mail)!

;D ;D
I'll happily work for you as long as you don't take the P.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 05, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Overlord's sixth law of digression: Any discussion on urine will invariably turn to politics at some point of time.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: Overlord on June 23, 2017, 05:56:28 PM

;D ;D
I'll happily work for you as long as you don't take the P.
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We also discovered a cache of "unsearched" urine bottles in our cellar. These were bottled more than half a century ago, wrapped in brown paper envelopes, and left untouched in the cellar till we happened to stumble upon them. There is no telling what you will find in them. We randomly opened 5 bottles and found two of them stuffed with 24-caret gold leaf! However, since we are too busy to open and check them all, we are offering our customers the once in a lifetime opportunity to buy these off our hands at USD 200 per lot of 5 bottles (shipping extra). Please note that due to the unsearched nature of this lot, no returns will be accepted.
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: redwine on June 24, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
 ;D I have built up a few demi johns ready!
BTW I have a book on urine - Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants (1 Jan 2004) by Carol Steinfeld.
An excellent read! 8)
Title: Re: Urine for patina?
Post by: malj1 on June 24, 2017, 01:38:53 PM

PS: To sweeten the deal, there is an exclusive 15% discount for WOC members (mention code PISSSCON15 in the order mail)!

For a moment I thought you had used my name here, malj1  ".... the order mail)!  "    ::)

BTW Aussies water their lemon trees this way too, at least the male of the species does.