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Modern European coins except the euro => Spain, Portugal => Topic started by: eurocoin on January 15, 2017, 11:26:28 AM

Title: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on January 15, 2017, 11:26:28 AM
In 2017, Gibraltar is going to issue a new series of circulating coins.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on January 15, 2017, 11:36:36 AM
Interesting, as it's only a couple of years or so since the last new series.  I wonder if the 1p and 2p will make a comeback this time?
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on January 15, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
The Minister for Economic Development and Telecommunications of Gibraltar will speak at the World Money Fair in Berlin on February 3 about the historical significance for a new series of circulating coins to be issued. I doubt they will re-introduce the 1 and 2p coins.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on January 15, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
I'd like to know the situation with 1p and 2p coins in Gibraltar... if they are still legal tender and aren't being withdrawn, are they just relying on current stocks or are they still issuing coins with the old designs and pre-2014 dates?
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Jostein on January 15, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
Will be included the new version of the 1 pound coin?  ::)
Title: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Bimat on January 19, 2017, 09:15:32 AM
Which portrait of the Queen they are going to use?

Aditya
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on January 19, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
Let's hope not the Maklouf one!  That's way too tired and I don't know why Gibraltar brought it back (I know it wasn't the same as the original but near enough).

Surely they have to include the new £1 in this?  I still find it hard to believe that any of the sterling zone (or whatever it's called - I know the Gibraltar pound isn't sterling but may as well be) will continue to issue the old pound coin.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on January 19, 2017, 03:19:04 PM
Which portrait of the Queen they are going to use?

Aditya

Let's hope not the Maklouf one!  That's way too tired and I don't know why Gibraltar brought it back (I know it wasn't the same as the original but near enough).

No need to worry.  :)

Surely they have to include the new £1 in this?

Who knows but most likely not. It is expensive to produce and Gibraltar has no counterfeit coins in circulation so there is no need to introduce a new 1 pound coin.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on February 07, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
The new series of circulating coins will be issued to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1967 referendum in which Gibraltarian voters were asked whether they wished to either pass under Spanish sovereignty, with Gibraltarians keeping their British citizenship and a special status for Gibraltar within Spain; or remain under British sovereignty, with institutions of self-government.

It is unknwon wether this will just be a commemorative 1 year set of circulating coins or will also be issued after 2017.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on February 10, 2017, 10:50:03 AM
The portrait that will be used on the obverse of the new series of circulating coins from Gibraltar, made by Jody Clark:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/526/32428468000_6eefa62202_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on February 10, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
They're using the same one as Isle of Man then?
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on February 10, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
They're using the same one as Isle of Man then?

Yes they are indeed. This variant is specially made by The Royal Mint for dependencies and territories.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on February 11, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
This is interesting.  It's a bit similar to the pre-Machin situation where the UK used one portrait and everywhere else another, isn't it?  The difference is that this time it isn't crowned and uncrowned but uncouped and couped portraits.  Were Isle of Man and Gibraltar not allowed to use the UK one?
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: <k> on February 11, 2017, 11:52:27 AM
I greatly doubt that they were not allowed to use the UK effigy. The crowned/uncrowned effigy situation was smashed in stages. In 1936 Edward VIII gave the Dominions permission to choose whether to use the crowned or uncrowned effigy, adding that he would be personally pleased if they would use the "civil head", i.e. uncrowned effigy. He abdicated before the policy, with reference to his own portrait, could be put into practice. However, George VI was told of his predecessor's decision, which had pleased the Dominions, so he rubber-stamped it, in effect.

The final smashing of the system came when Rhodesia wanted to use the Machin portrait in 1964. The Queen conveyed her wish that any Commonwealth territory that wished to use the Machin portrait should be allowed to. On that portrait she was wearing a tiara, not a crown, so you might even say she was halfway between crowned and uncrowned.

This information comes from old Royal Mint documents I found in the National Archives. The information about the effigies was all incidental to the information I was looking for, so it was pure chance that I was able to work out the big picture.

The answer to your question would seem to be, either that the relevant crown dependencies and overseas territories do not like the UK effigy, or else that they now deliberately want to be different. And in fact, since the UK adoption of the Maklouf effigy in 1985, the effigies of the other parts of the "sterling area" and ours have never been entirely in synch.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on July 15, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Is there any more news on this new series of Gibraltar circulating coins?  It's all gone very quiet.

I can't remember (and not sure) if UK coins can circulate in Gibraltar.  If they can, then they've almost certainly got a counterfeit problem if old UK £1 coins come in.  As with Isle of Man, it will surely be unmanageable to retain the old £1 indefinitely if they're constantly having to sort UK ones from theirs.  Visitors from the UK could offload their old pounds.  If UK coins can't (or are not supppsed to) circulate then I suppose it's less of an issue.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Figleaf on July 15, 2017, 02:01:09 PM
I can confirm that UK coins can and do circulate in Gibraltar. In fact, what little change I got there was British (but that's not a representative sample).

Peter
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on July 15, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
Thanks Peter.  I thought that might be the case but I wasn't sure.  I've been to Gibraltar once but that was just a day trip back in 1999.  So they definitely would have an issue with counterfeit coins then. 

The arrogance/naïveté of the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories always astounds me.  What they really mean is that, whilst thousands of transactions involving counterfeit £1 coins must take place in these territories every day, ultimately it isn't their problem as they can just send UK coins back at intervals.  As with Jersey and Guernsey, the majority of coins circulating are British anyway, so I do wonder how often they really do send any back.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on July 15, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
There is no news on it which is not really strange as the commemoration of the referendum and most of the events surrounding it still have to take place.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on July 16, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
The 50th anniversary of the referendum is under two months away (10 September) and as it's not dependent on anyone remaining alive, there wouldn't be any harm in announcing anything before it happens.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on July 16, 2017, 02:24:46 PM
The 50th anniversary of the referendum is under two months away (10 September) and as it's not dependent on anyone remaining alive, there wouldn't be any harm in announcing anything before it happens.

Your message does not make any sense to me. The unveiling of the new coins is obviously part of the celebrations, the celebrations have yet to take place so why would they give any information in advance?
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Alan71 on July 16, 2017, 09:37:29 PM
The Royal Mint do it every year!  When new sets are released, coins marking anniversaries that have yet to happen are common-place.  I appreciate Gibraltar is different and it's not the Royal Mint, but to say my post makes little sense is a slight over-reaction. 
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: Figleaf on July 17, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Making sense and making sense to eurocoin is not necessarily the same. Both of you, try re-reading before you post, please. It is easy to give offence and easy to react in a prickly way, but it's no fun for anyone and this site is about having fun.

Peter
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on August 03, 2017, 04:23:27 PM
The designs are ready but are still awaiting royal approval, which is expected any day now. It appears that it is a circulating commemorative series of coins (one year type).

At the ANA World Fair of Money in Denver yesterday, Pobjoy Mint was representing Gibraltar. It does occasionally happen that when the mint of a certain country is unable to attend that a random coin dealer represents the particular country. It has however to my knowledge not happened before that a mint has represented a country which is not its customer. I do not understand it, certainly also as Tower Mint has been minting the circulating coins for the Government of Gibraltar in recent and less recent years and will be doing so for quite some years to come. I have asked Pobjoy if they are again minting for Gibraltar and am awaiting a reply.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on August 03, 2017, 07:18:38 PM
Pobjoy Mint has confirmed that they will be minting 2017 dated 1p coins of Gibraltar for the 50th anniversary of the referendum. Likely the other coins in the series will be minted at the Tower Mint. It is rather strange that this happens as Tower Mint has the minting contract with the Government of Gibraltar.

Also surprising that Gibraltar apparently continues to mint the 1 pence coin (at least for sets that is). They have not done so for quite some time.
Title: Re: Gibraltar 2017: New series of circulating coins
Post by: eurocoin on September 04, 2017, 09:56:03 PM
Less than a week to go until the 50th anniversary and the designs have not yet been approved by Buckingham Palace. Such approval was already expected to be in over a month ago but it has still not happened.