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Title: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: ATtheCollections on January 12, 2017, 05:36:31 PM
i have coin pitis found in batanghari ,  i not understand for languange / legend . please help again  identified this Tin Pitis Coin^_^



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Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on January 22, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
These are superb specimens of Siak and Jambi.   I'm trying to learn to read them too.   Some of the commonly used references are not 100% accurate.   
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on January 13, 2018, 07:58:46 AM
Coin 3 here reads backwards "Sultan Anum Sr(i) Ingalaga".   It is from Jambi.   The inscription is the sultan's title from the period 1743-90.   Shown is the inscription reading the correct direction.

Coin 5 begins Sultan Sri... but after that there is no agreement what it says.    Millies reads J-M-B for Jambi.   
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on January 15, 2018, 03:29:38 AM
Number 4 reads in Javanese:   Chap Sultan Jambi.    This is an extraordinarily clear-reading specimen.     The inscription starts exactly at the top, reads upright and clockwise.       
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on February 19, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Coin 1 is Millies 154.   It reds 'Sultan Siyak'.
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: Figleaf on February 19, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
If you have a paper copy of Millies, could you have a look at this thread (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,41688.0.html)?

Peter
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on February 19, 2018, 06:09:52 PM
Peter, I have to use the on-screen version of Millies.    As you know it is very difficult to match a screen view to another screen view.    That in any case is not an area I am familiar with.    Ask me about imitations of Chinese cash from that region.

Regarding the 5 coins posted on this thread, all but one are difficult to obtain, and extraordinary specimens of their types.    Number 5 has a variant spelling of the final word in its inscription, probably an error.   We still can't figure out what that word means.   Mitchiner reads it from Millies illustrations, not even having a specimen to look at!     He picked the specimen in Millies which is missing a syllable, to get it to say what he wanted it to.

Coin 1 is now posted at Zeno, the first.   It is Millies 154, but reads better, and has every diacritical mark in place.   Millies points out they are missing on his only legible specimen.   

Coin 2 is also not known to Mitchiner.   It is a clearly-written version, which has to be called the prototype of the now-common Siak(maybe) pitis with hexagonal center hole.    The common coins are illiterately blundered.    Problem is that the well-written one still gives no certain reading.    It can be "Sultan Siyak", as Mitchiner reads the crude ones, or "Sri Pangeran Ratou", with Sri in place of Su.

Coin 4 is a difficult one to obtain but the type reads clearly.   I have a pair of nice ones fused back to back.   They read slightly differently from each other, both missing either one letter, or a part of one.    The coin posted here is perfect.   

Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: ATtheCollections on June 09, 2018, 07:19:54 PM
I have pitis again

Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on June 10, 2018, 06:29:07 AM
It reads in Javanese "Sultan Siyak".    This is a difficult coin to find.    I do not have one.
Title: Re: Tin Pitis Found in Batanghari [ DJAMBI - INDONESIA ]
Post by: bgriff99 on January 05, 2019, 06:58:45 AM
Coin 5, a Malaysian coin site says it reads Sultan Sri Maharaja Batu.     The lettering for that would be right but missing a letter A in the syllable ra.    Note your coin has extra dots at the end making it read Batut.    Batu means a stone, which makes no sense, besides maharaja makes no sense.    Another way to read it is Sultan Sri Mohor Jabatu.    I think that is a contraction of Mohor Jabat tu which would mean seal of his hand.    In Malay Jabatan means an office or agency.   Jabat is a root word for hand.   Another variant spelling ends the word in Jaban.   It is Jambi, middle 1700's but not known which sultan in that time of quasi-anarchy.