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Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on June 19, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
Has anyone studied the various mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins of quite a few of the Eurozone countries?

On some of the Luxembourgish Euro coins dated 2002,the Royal Dutch Mint's privy mark for the year 2000 is the only thing indicating that they were actually struck earlier than 2002.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on June 22, 2007, 01:27:15 PM
Has anyone studied the various mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins of quite a few of the Eurozone countries?
@ Aldan,
I did! 8) If you are in need of any information on the subject, just ask me.
On some of the Luxembourgish Euro coins dated 2002,the Royal Dutch Mint's privy mark for the year 2000 is the only thing indicating that they were actually struck earlier than 2002.
In fact all Luxembourgish Euro coins dated 2002 are showing the Dutch privy mark for 2000, even if only a small part of these coins actually have been struck in 2000 and most of the coins have been struck in 2001. Additional small numbers of coins have been struck in 2002, also with the 2000 Dutch privy mark.
Beforehand it was agreed that all Luxembourgish coins dated 2002 should have just one privy mark.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on June 22, 2007, 01:47:16 PM
A3v1,It seems very odd that there isn't any mention in Krause about what the mintmarks are on the Euro coins,& which mints they are.The Greek Euro coins have both the Greek Mint's mintmark & mintmarks of other mints on the same coin in some cases.

The Slovenian Euro coins have the Finnish Mint's mintmark.

I've been informed that the Maltese Euro coins will be struck at the French Mint's branch at Pessac.I'm not sure where the Cypriot Euro coins are going to be struck.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on June 22, 2007, 05:48:32 PM
BCN, if you want to change something in KM, use their Numismaster (http://www.numismaster.com/ta/Coins.admin?rnd=0.24909660845432247&@impl=coins.ui.ucatalog.flat.UiControl_MyPriceGuides&@windowId=HRCQRKRLUZZGDNELVCUEFLRJH) web site. When you have at last drilled down to the individual coin, you can suggest changes.

Peter
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on June 22, 2007, 09:26:23 PM
@ BC Numismatics,

Krause perhaps doesn't mention the variety of mintmarks and privy marks on the eurocoins because they think no one is interested.
Another catalog of European origin, WELTM?NZKATALOG 20.Jahrhundert, includes all the details. So does its smaller sister, EURO M?NZKATALOG. Both catalogs, alas for you, are in German.

Cypriot Euro coins will be struck at the Finnish Mint (Rahapaja Oy) in Vantaa.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: translateltd on June 24, 2007, 12:39:53 PM
@ BC Numismatics,

Krause perhaps doesn't mention the variety of mintmarks and privy marks on the eurocoins because they think no one is interested.
Another catalog of European origin, WELTM?NZKATALOG 20.Jahrhundert, includes all the details. So does its smaller sister, EURO M?NZKATALOG. Both catalogs, alas for you, are in German.

Cypriot Euro coins will be struck at the Finnish Mint (Rahapaja Oy) in Vantaa.
Regards,
a3v1


As I understand it, Krause only publishes what it is given by its volunteer contributors - if no-one has submitted the information about the mintmarks and privy marks, it won't be used.  Then again, you sometimes have to submit information several times before anyone takes any notice!

Which edition of Sch?n's Weltm?nzkatalog do you use?  I suspect my 2003 edition is starting to get out of date!

Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on June 24, 2007, 04:00:57 PM
Which edition of Sch?n's Weltm?nzkatalog do you use?  I suspect my 2003 edition is starting to get out of date!
Like almost everybody else I am using Krause & Mishler for world coins.
For Euro coins, however, I am using Sch?n's EURO M?NZKATALOG. A free copy is sent to me every year as I am one of its contributors.

By now, your 2003 Weltm?nzkatalog has been out of date for quite some time. ;)
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on July 31, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
As I understand it, Krause only publishes what it is given by its volunteer contributors - if no-one has submitted the information about the mintmarks and privy marks, it won't be used.  Then again, you sometimes have to submit information several times before anyone takes any notice!
As a result of my posting of the "Luxembourg 2007 oddity", not only on this forum but also in the WBCC Newsletter, Colin Bruce, senior editor of the Krause & Mishler World Coin Catalogs, has contacted me. It seems they want me as a contributor, so there's plenty of hope that forthcoming editions will have full details of mintmarks and privy marks on the Euro coins.
Regards,
a3v1
 
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on July 31, 2007, 11:41:45 AM
Congratulations, a3v1. Being a contributor is not just about technical data, though. Most of the work goes into collecting price information. It can be tedious, but it's a worthwhile job.

Peter
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on July 31, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
As I understand it, Krause only publishes what it is given by its volunteer contributors - if no-one has submitted the information about the mintmarks and privy marks, it won't be used.  Then again, you sometimes have to submit information several times before anyone takes any notice!
As a result of my posting of the "Luxembourg 2007 oddity", not only on this forum but also in the WBCC Newsletter, Colin Bruce, senior editor of the Krause & Mishler World Coin Catalogs, has contacted me. It seems they want me as a contributor, so there's plenty of hope that forthcoming editions will have full details of mintmarks and privy marks on the Euro coins.
Regards,
a3v1
 

A3v1,I think that you should accept Colin R. Bruce II's offer.Having the mintmark & privy mark details in the Euro coin & medal-coin sections in Krause would be very handy,as in at least 1 or 2 years,more than 1 set of privy marks was used.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on August 13, 2007, 05:54:46 PM
Here's my list of all mintmarks and privy marks on the euro circulation coins.
Please let me know if I forgot any.
Regards,
a3v1

AUSTRIA
Mint Marks
(none) - Austrian Mint, Vienna
Privy Marks
(none)

BELGIUM
(on 2 ? commemoratives only)
Mint Marks
angel?s head - Belgian Mint, Brussels
Privy Marks
pair of scales - mint master, Romain Coenen

CYPRUS (from 2008)
Mint Marks
(none) - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
Privy Marks
(none)

FINLAND
Mint Marks
(1999-2006) (none) - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
(2007- ) triangle w/circles - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
(also 2007- ) FI ? country of origin
Privy Marks
(1999-2006) M ? mint master, Raimo Tapio Makkonen
(2007- ) (none)

FRANCE
Mint Marks
cornucopia ? French Mint, Paris/Pessac
Privy Marks
(1999-2000) bee ? chief engraver, Pierre Rodier
(2001-2002) horseshoe ? chief engraver, G?rard Buquoy
(2003) initials SL in heart-shape ? chief engraver, Serge Levet
(2004- ) French horn w/waves+fish ? chief engraver, Hubert Larivi?re
standard series' coins also show a designer's name

GERMANY
Mint Marks
A - Government Mint- Berlin
D - Bavarian Mint ? Munich
F - Baden-W?rttemberg Mints, Stuttgart
G - Baden-W?rttemberg Mints, Karlsruhe
J - Hamburg Mint, Hamburg
Privy Marks
(none)
(some 2 ? commemoratives show the initials of the designer)

GREECE
Mint Marks
anthemion ? Greek Mint, Halandri (Athens)
(additional mint marks, 2002 only):
E - minted at Spanish Mint, Madrid
F - minted at French Mint, Paris/Pessac
S - minted at Finnish Mint, Vantaa
Privy Marks
ΓΣ ? chief engraver, Georgios Stamatopoulos

IRELAND
Mint Marks
(none) ? Irish Mint, Sandyford (Dublin)
Privy Marks
(none)

ITALY
Mint Marks
R - Italian Mint, Rome
Privy Marks
virtually all coins show initials or name of designer and/or engraver

LUXEMBOURG
Mint Marks
(2002-2004) caduceus ? Dutch Mint, Utrecht
(2005-2006) triangle w/circles - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
(2007- ) cornucopia ? French Mint, Paris/Pessac
Privy Marks
(2002) bow and arrow w/star - 2000 vacancy; deputy mint master, Erik J. van Schouwenberg
(2003-2004) sails of a clipper ? mint master, Maarten T. Brouwer
(2005-2006) S ? pointing to the Finnish origin
(2007- ) French horn w/waves+fish ? chief engraver, Hubert Larivi?re
standard series' coins also show initials GC - designer, Yvette Gastauer Claire

MALTA (from 2008)
Mint Marks
F (in bottom star) ? French Mint, Paris/Pessac
Privy Marks
(not on all coins) NGB ? designer, Noel Galea Bason

MONACO
Mint Marks
cornucopia ? French Mint, Paris/Pessac
Privy Marks
(2001-2002) horseshoe ? chief engraver, G?rard Buquoy
(2003) initials SL in heart-shape ? chief engraver, Serge Levet
(2004- ) French horn w/waves+fish ? chief engraver, Hubert Larivi?re

NETHERLANDS
Mint Marks
caduceus - Dutch Mint, Utrecht
Privy Marks
(1999) bow and arrow ? mint master, Chris van Draanen
(2000) bow and arrow w/star - vacancy; deputy mint master, Erik J. van Schouwenberg
(2001) wine tendril w/grapes ? mint master, Robert Bruens
(2002) wine tendril w/grapes and star ? vacancy; deputy mint master, Maarten T. Brouwer
(2003- ) sails of a clipper ? mint master, Maarten T. Brouwer

PORTUGAL
Mint Marks
INCM ? Portuguese Mint, Lisbon
Privy Marks
VS ? designer, Vitor Manuel Fernandes dos Santos

SAN MARINO
Mint Marks
R - Italian Mint, Rome
Privy Marks
virtually all coins show initials or name of designer and/or engraver

SLOVENIA
Mint Marks
Fi ? Finnish Mint, Vantaa
Privy Marks
(none)

SPAIN
Mint Marks
crowned M ? Spanish Mint, Madrid
Privy Marks
(none)

VATICAN CITY
Mint Marks
R - Italian Mint, Rome
Privy Marks
virtually all coins show initials or name of designer and/or engraver
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on August 13, 2007, 11:50:40 PM
A3v1,that is a very good chart of the Euro coin mintmarks & privy marks that you have compiled.Let's hope that these are put into the 2009 Krause & updated as often as a new mintmaster comes into office.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on August 14, 2007, 02:14:11 PM
Let's hope that these are put into the 2009 Krause
Aidan, please don't blame it on me if the Krause people don't. They've been supplied with lots and lots of information, much more than the above.
We'll have to wait and see how they've handled this pile of information.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on August 14, 2007, 02:47:05 PM
Quite a bit of good work there a3v1. Hope you don't mind ig I make this a sticky thread.

Peter
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on August 14, 2007, 04:58:33 PM
Hope you don't mind if I make this a sticky thread.
Peter, that's completely up to you! If you' re thinking this thread is important enough for a top position, I don't mind.
By the way: Apart from the above I've sent the Krause people a list of nearly 100 errors and omissions I found in their catalog. And that's about the euro circulation coins only.
If the rest of the 21st Century catalog is of similar quality, the thing is a real mess....  :-\ :-\
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on October 22, 2007, 03:21:29 PM
CYPRUS (from 2008)
Mint Marks
(none) - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
Privy Marks
(none)

Yes, that I found a little surprising when I saw images of the CY pieces. Usually the Mint of Finland does put some mark on the euro coins (GR, LU, SI) that it makes ...

By the way, all German mints - those that make German coins, that is - are government mints. Each of them is state owned/operated, none of them is a federal institution. Also, the ?2 commems "all" have the designer's initials. Well, all translates to three (including the 2008 piece) so far. ;)

According to Gerhard Sch?n (the catalog author) Belgium plans to put a "B" or "BE" on its circulation coins as from 2008 or 2009. The mint mark and mintmaster sign may then be displayed too, like on the ?2 commems. We'll wait and see.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 27, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
According to Gerhard Sch?n (the catalog author) Belgium plans to put a "B" or "BE" on its circulation coins as from 2008 or 2009. The mint mark and mintmaster sign may then be displayed too, like on the ?2 commems. We'll wait and see.
Yes, the "BE" and the mintmark and mintmaster sign are about to come this year. See http://www.worldofcoins.eu/index.php/topic,1015.0.html

Oh, and then there is some other tidbit. ;)  Later this year, Luxembourg will issue a low mintage proof set of the ?2 commems minted so far (2004-2008). The coins for these sets are made by the KNM (Utrecht, NL) and the MdP (Pessac, FR). See http://www.bcl.lu/fr/monnaie/numismatique/catalogue_numismatique.pdf (page 11).

Now that makes me wonder ... Will these be pieces made in 2008? After all, the "original" ?2 commems dated 2005 and 2006 were made in Finland. And if they are actually "restruck" this way, what about the mintmarks and mintmaster signs?

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on January 27, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
If that is true (and so far I have not seen any official information about this), will we soon see LU ?2 proof pieces dated, say, 2005 but made in 2008? And will they have the marks of the Monnaie de Paris even though the original pieces have Dutch (2004) or Finnish (2005/06) marks?
@ Christian,
Sources at the BCL say that the 2004 reprints will be made in Utrecht as its technique (with the big H) can not be reproduced by Monnaie de Paris.
With regard to the reprints of the Finnish 2005/2006 coins we'll have to wait and see.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 27, 2008, 03:39:06 PM
Hehe, you posted your reply while I was still busy editing mine.

Well, not that I care too much; the years on many coins do not have that much to do with when they were actually produced anyway. ;) But this will be a tad expensive for those collectors who want to have each and every member state/year/mint mark combination ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: AussieBoy on January 30, 2008, 02:37:32 PM
I have found this very interesting guys. Many thanks.
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on August 09, 2008, 01:08:05 PM
I'm not sure if the 2007 15 Euros medal-coin from Ireland has a mintmark.I can confirm that this was struck at the Croatian Mint,Zagreb though.

The Manx silver 15 Euros has the Pobjoy Mint's 'PM' mintmark.

Kevin is going to do a bit of research as to which mints struck which gold & silver Euro-denominated medal-coins from Ireland,so he can mention this in his Wikipedia article.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: blackev on August 09, 2008, 04:05:38 PM
This set will most defiantly become part of my collection.
I am a little disappointed that they will be doing a re-strike its almost a betrayal of trust to those who got the coins in the proof sets.

@Aidan: yes the 2007 Ivan €15 coin does have a mintmark (CM), I believe the only Irish euro coin to have one.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on August 10, 2008, 12:12:31 PM
Actually both the Irish €15 coin and the Croatian 150 kuna piece have that CM sign (at different positions though; on the coin from Croatia it is in the 8 to 9 o'clock range so to say. :) Did not know that is a mintmark though. The Irish coins do usually not have such signs at all, and Croatian collector coins (I have very few only) seem to have the designer's initials.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: blackev on August 10, 2008, 03:41:44 PM
You may be right Christan, it may not be a mintmark, I do not know much about mintmarks, however as the designers are Ivan Meštrović & Damir Mataušić' and the sign is CM the Croatian Mint seemed to fit the bill.

Yes you are right about the 150Kuna, I did not mention this because technically its not an Irish coin, even though It comes in a double set.

-Kevin
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on August 11, 2008, 03:03:50 PM
Kevin,
  The Croatian 150 Kuna medal-coin possibly has Mestrovic's Irish coin design as well,given the fact that Ivan Mestrovic was invited to design the Irish Free State's coins in 1927,even though his designs arrived too late to be considered.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on August 11, 2008, 03:14:07 PM
@Aidan: Yes, the two designs are almost twins, so to say. I just posted a link to the folder:
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,368.0.html

@Kevin: Who knows, maybe the sign does not even say CM. The designer seems to use that "logo" on his medals http://www.matausic.net/medalje.php?lang_switch=1 too - an M with a mirrored D maybe. Here are two of his medals:

http://www.matausic.net/images/img/117.jpg
http://www.matausic.net/images/img/130.jpg

Mint mark? Designer's initials? Maybe the usual suspects (Krause and Schön catalogs) can tell. :)

Christian
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on August 12, 2008, 12:33:24 AM
Christian,
  The Krause catalogue makes no mention of a mintmark at all for the Irish 15 Euros,but at least it is pictured,& has a 'KM' number assigned though.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: theeuro on September 20, 2008, 07:55:25 AM
Hello,

I have a website called The Euro Information Website and have devoted tons of research to this subject. Please find my results here: Mint Marks (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/mintmarks.htm), Mintmaster Marks (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/mintmastermarks.htm) and Initials (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/initials.htm).

Kind regards,
MdV
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on September 20, 2008, 07:59:00 AM
Hello,

I have a website called The Euro Information Website and have devoted tons of research to this subject. Please find my results here: Mint Marks (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/mintmarks.htm), Mintmaster Marks (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/mintmastermarks.htm) and Initials (http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/initials.htm).

Kind regards,
MdV

Thanks,that is very interesting.You should submit this to both teams at Krause Publications & the Schoen catalogue publishers.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Bimat on January 30, 2009, 02:44:58 PM
Hi a3v1,
The information which you have provided is really useful..many thanks for it! Where I can find the information about the Edge varieties in 1 and 2 Euro coins?

Aditya
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 30, 2009, 03:09:24 PM
Where I can find the information about the Edge varieties in 1 and 2 Euro coins?

Hmm ... What varieties exactly are you referring to?

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on January 30, 2009, 04:13:40 PM
@ Aditya,
The 1 Euro coin has no edge varieties, apart from a rare Portugese variety (different number of rims on the edge).
All edge varieties of the 2 Euro coins (common series and commemoratives) are clearly depicted on The Euro Information Website, mentioned earlier in this thread.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on January 30, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
You will all be pleased to know that the Maltese 2009 E.M.U. 10th. Anniversary commemorative 2 Euros has the Royal Dutch Mint's privy marks flanking the bottom star - 2009 (u).

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on January 30, 2009, 06:26:54 PM
I think Aditya means edge positions A and B.

If so, there is more information here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,1990.0.html)

A little explanation: edges are applied before the flans are stamped and the flans are fed into the coin press with a random size up. Therefore, the position has no real significance. It is not an error, nor a different die, just a consequence of the production method.

Peter
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 30, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
You will all be pleased to ... anyway, the Slovenian 2008 circulation coins have the KNM (Utrecht, NL) mint mark. This year's pieces from Slovakia were made in the country and have the Kremnica "MK" mark.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Bimat on January 31, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
Thanks Peter,that was quite useful information.2 Euro coins of some countries (Ireland,Germany etc.) have 12 stars on the obverse side,along the rim.Do they represent first 12 Euro zone countries?

Aditya
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: BC Numismatics on January 31, 2009, 07:27:53 PM
It would be very interesting if this year's Cypriot Euro coins are given mintmarks,considering that there wasn't any on the 2008 coins,even though were struck at the Finnish Mint in Helsinki.

Aidan.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on January 31, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
2 Euro coins of some countries (Ireland,Germany etc.) have 12 stars on the obverse side,along the rim.Do they represent first 12 Euro zone countries?

The EU chose a flag of blue with 12 gold stars for reasons of tradition. The stars don't represent its members, unlike the stars in the US flags, which represent states. You can read the complete story here (http://flagspot.net/flags/eu-eun.html).

Peter
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on February 01, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
For more info about the symbols of the European Union you may also want to look here:
http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/index_en.htm

By the way, all euro and cent circulation coins have the Stars of Europe. Usually they are arranged in a circle, as on the flag (that flag is depicted on every euro note). On some coins they are combined with text or other design elements.

Interestingly even some coin dealers initially claimed that the number of stars had something to do with the number of euro countries, e.g. "buy this type now, because later more stars will be added". Bovine feces of course. ;D  Maybe they never paid any attention to the flag before ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Bimat on February 01, 2009, 05:35:35 PM
For more info about the symbols of the European Union you may also want to look here:
http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/index_en.htm

By the way, all euro and cent circulation coins have the Stars of Europe. Usually they are arranged in a circle, as on the flag (that flag is depicted on every euro note). On some coins they are combined with text or other design elements.


Christian
Hi Christian,
That is a very good resource for information of Euro coins.

Interestingly even some coin dealers initially claimed that the number of stars had something to do with the number of euro countries, e.g. "buy this type now, because later more stars will be added". Bovine feces of course. ;D  Maybe they never paid any attention to the flag before ...

Christian
Things are same everywhere-In Europe or in Asia..Is it the case that they didn't know the exact history or they just wanted to get some more amount of money from buyers???

Aditya
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on February 02, 2009, 11:57:44 AM
Hard to tell, but I guess it was the latter. When somebody does not know about the significance of the twelve stars, I don't blame him or her - but a coin dealer who presents such pieces on a shopping TV channel should know better. Then again, this is pretty much the same type who, when presenting a gold plated silver coin, will point at silver and gold price charts to emphasize what a great opportunity this is ... ::)

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Bimat on February 02, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
I have also seen dealers here,cheating people,with fake Euro coins.First time I saw Fake (bimetallic) 1 and 2 Euro coins here in a recent coin fair at Pune.The guy was having Vatican 1 and 2 Euro coins (10-15 Pieces each).I was surprised to see the Vatican Euros in such a large number,since they are sold for very high prices in Europe itself.When I saw the coins carefully,I observed that the edge of coins is completely plain !  :o He was also having Iran 250 Rials bimetallic in BU-but again fake.I was about to ask him about what he is doing,but didn't want to argue with him since I knew that he is not going to listen me.Fake coins are not new in India,but a bimetallic fake.. >:(
Aditya
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on February 03, 2009, 01:18:45 AM
We had a similar problem when Monaco issued the Gracia Patricia (Grace Kelly) €2 commem. The actual coin could never be bought at face, and is quite expensive. And just like in the case of the early Vatican euro coins, quite a few third party "trial" or "essai" pieces came out. Not actually counterfeited coins, just medals more or less loosely based on the design of the coin. I remember that a euro collector in the US once wrote in a forum that he paid "only" about $10 or 20 for his Grace coin (purchased via eBay). Turned out that, surprise, this was not the coin ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on November 30, 2009, 10:19:34 AM
I have used info from this thread and others sources for create the table with info for collectors of year sets of circulation euros.
This table includes the info about all view changes except the change of year digits.
If you will know something more or will find an error please write about it.

Code: [Select]
| Country  | UNC/+PP | From  | To    |No |Common  |  National   |          Mint : Mint mark          |                  Mint master : Minter mark                   |
|  [year]  | 63 / 64 |[year] | [year]| 6 |  side  |    side     |                 31                 |                              24                              |
|----------|---------|-------|-------|---|--------|-------------|------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|
| Austria  |    1    | 2002  | 2007  |01)|old map | init        |Mint of Austria : -                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2008  |   ?   |02)|new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     | EU design   |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Belgium  |    1    | 1999  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Royal Mint of Belgium : -           | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2007  | 2007  |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    3    | 2008  | 2008  |   |-"-     |new face/EU d|RMoB: small head with a tiny cross  |Romain Coenen : scale                                         |
|          |    4    | 2009  | 2009  |   |-"-     |init/EU desig|-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    5    | 2010  | 2012  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Serge Lesens : quill                                          |
|          |    6    | 2013  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Bernard Gillard : cat                                         |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Cyprus   |    1    | 2008  | 2009  |   |new map | init        |Mint of Finland : -                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2010  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |Mint of Greece : ?                  | - : - ?                                                      |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Estonia  |    1    | 2011  |   ?   |   |new map | init        |Mint of Finland : -                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Finland  |    1    | 1999  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Finland : cornucopia        |Raimo Makkonen : last initial ('M')                           |
|          |    2    | 2007  | 2007  |   |new map |amended1 face|-"-                                 | - : 'M' replaced by "FI" (no more minter mark)               |
|          |    3    | 2008  | 2010  |   |-"-     |amended2 face|-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |    4    | 2011  |   ?   |   |-"-     |   -"-       |New mint mark of Finland : lion     | -"-                                                          |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| France   |    1    | 1999  | 2000  |   |old map | init        |Monnaie de Paris : a cornucopia     |Pierre Rodier : bee                                           |
|          |    2    | 2001  | 2002  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Gérard Buquoy : horseshoe                                     |
|          |    3    | 2003  | 2003  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Serge Levet : heart containing stylized initials ('SL')       |
|          |    4    | 2004  | 2006  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Hubert Larivière : image comprised of hunting horn,wave & fish|
|          |    5    | 2007  | 2010  |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |    6    | 2011  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Yves Sampo : Fleurette d’atelier                              |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Germany  |    1    | 2002  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Mints in Germany : A D F G J        | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2007  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     |  EU design  |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Greece   |    1    | 2002  | 2002  |   |old map | init        |Finland: S, France: F, Spain: E     | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2002  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Greece : leaf               | - : -                                                        |
|          |    3    | 2007  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     |  EU design  |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Ireland  |    1    | 2002  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Ireland : -                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2007  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Italy    |    1    | 2002  | 2007  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Italy : R                   | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2008  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Luxemb.  |    1    | 2002  | 2002  |   |old map | init        |Royal Dutch Mint: a Mercury staff   |Erik J. van Schouwenburg : bow and arrow accompanied by a star|
|          |    2    | 2003  | 2004  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Maarten Brouwer : sailboat                                    |
|          |    3    | 2005  | 2006  |   |-"-     | -"-         |Mint of Finland : S                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    4    | 2007  | 2008  |   |new map | -"-         |Monnaie de Paris : F                |Hubert Larivière : image comprised of hunting horn,wave & fish|
|          |    5    | 2009  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |Royal Dutch Mint: a Mercury staff   |Maarten Brouwer : sailboat                                    |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     | EU design   |-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Malta    |    1    | 2008  | 2008  |   |new map | init        |Monnaie de Paris : F                | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2009  |   ?   |03)|-"-     | -"-         |Royal Dutch Mint: -                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Monaco   |    1    | 2001  | 2002  |   |old map | init        |Monnaie de Paris : a cornucopia     |Gérard Buquoy : horseshoe                                     |
|          |    2    | 2003  | 2003  |04)|-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Serge Levet : heart containing stylized initials ('SL')       |
|          |    A    | 2004  | 2005  |05)|-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Hubert Larivière : image comprised of hunting horn,wave & fish|
|          |    3    | 2006  | 2010  |06)|-"-     | new face    |-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |    4    | 2011  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Yves Sampo : Fleurette d’atelier                              |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Netherl. |    1    | 1999  | 1999  |   |old map | init        |Royal Dutch Mint : a Mercury staff  |Dr. Chris van Draanen : bow and arrow                         |
|          |    2    | 2000  | 2000  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Erik J. van Schouwenburg : bow and arrow accompanied by a star|
|          |    3    | 2001  | 2001  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Robert Bruens : vine with fruit                               |
|          |    4    | 2002  | 2002  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Maarten Brouwer : vine with fruit accompanied by a star       |
|          |    5    | 2003  | 2006  |   |-"-     | -"-         |-"-                                 |Maarten Brouwer : sailboat                                    |
|          |    6    | 2007  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     | EU design   |-"-                                 | -"-                                                          |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Portugal |    1    | 2002  | 2007  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Portugal : INCM             | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2008  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| San Marin|    1    | 2002  | 2007  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Italy : R                   | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2008  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Slovakia |    1    | 2009  |   ?   |   |new map | init        |Kremnica Mint : MK                  | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Slovenia |    1    | 2007  | 2007  |   |new map | init        |Finland Mint: "Fi"                  | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2008  | 2008  |   |-"-     | -"-         |Royal Dutch Mint: a Mercury Staff   |Maarten Brouwer : sailboat                                    |
|          |    3    | 2009  | 2011  |   |-"-     | -"-         |Finland Mint: - (no mintmark)       | - : -                                                        |
|          |    4    | 2012  |   ?   |   |-"-     | -"-         |Slovakia Kremnica: -(no mintmark)   | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |   ?   |   ?   |   |-"-     |  EU design  |                                    |                                                              |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Spain    |    1    | 1999  | 2006  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Spain : M                   | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2007  | 2009  |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    3    | 2010  |   ?   |   |-"-     | EU design   |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |         |       |       |   |        |             |                                    |                                                              |
| Vatican  |    1    | 2002  | 2005  |   |old map | init        |Mint of Italy : R                   | - : -                                                        |
|          |    2    | 2005  | 2005  |   |-"-     | Sede Vacante|-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    3    | 2006  | 2007  |   |-"-     | new face    |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |
|          |    4    | 2008  |   ?   |   |new map | -"-         |-"-                                 | - : -                                                        |


01) - Austria 2005,2007 no 2 euro coin
02) - Austria 2009,2012 no 2 euro coin
03) - Malta 2009 no euro coins, 2010 only 2 euro
04) - Monaco no 1,2,5 cent
05) - Monaco no coins at 2005, only PP quality
06) - Monaco no coins at 2006-8,2010 only 2E PP


3.2.2011 Finland mint change year fixed
11.3.2011 France minter mark change
30.03.2011 Fixing some mistakes
30.12.2011 New info about Slovenia
04.07.2012 New info about Belgium
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on November 30, 2009, 11:41:19 AM
Neat list, thanks for sharing it! Let me add a few things ...

Belgium uses both a mintmark and a mintmaster sign. As for the circulation coins, the Brussels mintmark (a small head with a tiny cross, representing St. Michael) has been on the pieces since 2008. It has been on all commemorative €2 coins and collector coins too.

The Belgian mintmaster's sign used to be the scales (Romain Coenen); this year the new managing director Serge Lesens started using a quill (feather formerly used for writing).

Finland used to have the M as mintmaster sign until 2006, as you wrote. The FI is not really a mintmaster sign but rather a country identifier; the mint logo used since 2007 could be considered a mint mark ...

Germany will use a "D" as a country identifier as from 2010, but only for newly issued commemorative €2 coins. The circulation coins will not be modified (yet?) though.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on November 30, 2009, 11:59:21 AM
The Belgian mintmaster's sign used to be the scales (Romain Coenen); this year the new managing director Serge Lesens started using a quill (feather formerly used for writing).

Thanks for help.

"this year the new managing director Serge Lesens started using a quill (feather formerly used for writing)."  is it used from 2009 or from 2010 ?

"The Belgian mintmaster's sign used to be the scales (Romain Coenen)" is it used to 2008 ? From which year ? From the first circulation coins issue (1999)?


I have the info, the Belgian mint mark and minter mark have been used only on 2E commemoratives. I do not have an info about using marks on circulation 1c-2e coins. Do you have other info ?
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on November 30, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
Tom,
The info you have seems to be nearly correct.
The Coenen (scales) mintmark is on the circulation coins (1 cent to 2 Euro) of 2008 and 2009 only. Also on the 2 Euro commemoratives since 2005 onto 2009 (EMU). And on most (if not all) silver and gold coins from 2002 until February 2009.
The Lesens (quill) mintmark on circulating coins so far is shown only on the 2 Euro commemorative 2009 (Braille). And on all silver and gold coins issued since June 2009.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on November 30, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
Is the Coenen (scales) mintmark on the 2008-2009 coins only ? Is't the mint mark "Head of St. Michael" on the same coins ?

Edit.

I have updated a table in previous post.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on November 30, 2009, 07:19:09 PM
Is the Coenen (scales) mintmark on the 2008-2009 coins only ?

The scales is not a mintmark but Coenen's "personal" mintmaster sign, and yes, on the circulation coins it does not show up until 2008. However, the scales can also be found on all Belgian commemorative coins (€2) and collector coins (gold, silver) issued until early 2009.

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Is't the mint mark "Head of St. Michael" on the same coins ?

Right, and while the old mint director's sign (scales) has now been replaced by the new one (quill), the angel's head - which is the mark of the Brussels mint - is still displayed on the latest coins.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Sir Sisu on March 26, 2010, 01:41:27 AM
Here's my list of all mintmarks and privy marks on the euro circulation coins.
Please let me know if I forgot any.
Regards,
a3v1

. . .
FINLAND
Mint Marks
(1999-2006) (none) - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
(2007- ) triangle w/circles - Finnish Mint, Vantaa
(also 2007- ) FI ? country of origin
Privy Marks
(1999-2006) M ? mint master, Raimo Tapio Makkonen
(2007- ) (none)

. . .

Beginning this year the Mint will be changing the logo on coins from the cornucopia to a stylized lion. What makes for more interesting news is that according to a Finnish coin site news item in Finnish (http://www.kolikot.com/uutiset/56), both logos will appear on coins dated 2010 as the switch to the new logo will happen sometime during the year.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: a3v1 on March 26, 2010, 09:17:30 AM
Beginning this year the Mint will be changing the logo on coins from the cornucopia to a stylized lion. What makes for more interesting news is that according to a Finnish coin site news item in Finnish (http://"http://www.kolikot.com/uutiset/56"), both logos will appear on coins dated 2010 as the switch to the new logo will happen sometime during the year.
@ Sir Sisu,
It is great having this confirmed from a Finnish source. Thank you for this.
According to another source Finland in November 2010 will be issuing a coinset including all eight coins with the new mintmark plus the 2 Euro CC 2010.
Regards,
a3v1
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Sir Sisu on March 26, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
I edited the link that I posted. Seems that I made an error in posting the link. Now it should work.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on February 03, 2011, 04:11:32 PM
Will we have mint/mintmaster mark change on euro coins from Slovenia in 2011 year ?
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on March 03, 2011, 03:43:02 PM
I have heard the rumors about changing by Malta the mint in this year. It is possible the 2011 circulation coins and 2010 2 euro coin will have new mint mark.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on March 03, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
Still no news regarding Slovenia. From what I have read elsewhere, this year's Maltese coins will be minted in Utrecht again ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on March 11, 2011, 09:28:10 AM
The change of minter mark on French coins.

A new “different” has appeared on all coins minted by the Monnaie de Paris since 1st January 2011; this is the mark of Yves Sampo, the new head of the engraving workshop. Staying true to tradition, his “different” illustrates the teamwork spirit of the engraving workshop. So this signature depicts a pentagon with the letters AG, which stand for “Atelier de Gravure” (engraving workshop) and MP standing for “Monnaie de Paris et Pessac” inside it. The motif is completed by Yves Sampo’s own initials on either side of it.

Since 2011: Yves Sampo – “Fleurette d’atelier”

(info found on eurokolekcja.eu)
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on March 18, 2011, 09:53:41 AM
The new sets 2010 and 2010 from Cyprus will have mint marks from Mint of Greece , probably.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on March 18, 2011, 01:37:46 PM
Interesting. My 2008 coins do not show any mintmark. I hope the Athens mint does a better job on the coppers. The goats are almost silhouettes on my coins and they are unc. Just what is the Athens mint mark? On my Greek euro coins I can see a sign that is probably the mint mark (though they also occur on the 2002F pieces). Sometimes it looks like a hand grenade ;)

Peter
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on March 18, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
That is an an anthemion methinks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmette

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Figleaf on March 18, 2011, 11:20:24 PM
Thanks, Christian. Yes, that is nicer and more Greek than a hand grenade.

Peter

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Orna105-Stirnziege.png/250px-Orna105-Stirnziege.png)
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Sir Sisu on April 11, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Beginning this year the Mint will be changing the logo on coins from the cornucopia to a stylized lion. What makes for more interesting news is that according to a Finnish coin site news item in Finnish (http://www.kolikot.com/uutiset/56), both logos will appear on coins dated 2010 as the switch to the new logo will happen sometime during the year.


I'm not sure if this has already been corrected somewhere else on these boards, but the new logo did not appear on the normal 2010 issues. The new logo is now on the normal issues for 2011.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on May 19, 2011, 02:47:04 PM
A new “different” has appeared on all coins minted by the Monnaie de Paris since 1st January 2011; this is the mark of Yves Sampo, the new head of the engraving workshop. Staying true to tradition, his “different” illustrates the teamwork spirit of the engraving workshop. So this signature depicts a pentagon with the letters AG, which stand for “Atelier de Gravure” (engraving workshop) and MP standing for “Monnaie de Paris et Pessac” inside it. The motif is completed by Yves Sampo’s own initials on either side of it.

Found an image at muenzenwoche.de (see attachment). Quite complex, considering that we will hardly be able to see all these details on actual coins.

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on December 30, 2011, 08:42:48 AM
Slovenia will mint 2E CC Proof 2012 in Slovakia. I think , all 2012 coins they will mint there.
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 01, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Ah, interesting to know! But I wonder whether we will actually see the MK mark on the coins. Usually (except for the 2007/08 circulation coins) the pieces from Slovenia do not have any mintmarks ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: chrisild on January 30, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
The Royal Dutch Mint has a new logo, or rather an updated version of the previous one. The attached image shows (on the left) the old one - used until the end of 2011 - and (on the right) the new one. The logo is a somewhat abstract combination of a crown and the mint's caduceus sign. Don't think the logo will be used on coins though ...

Christian
Title: Re: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Tom0000 on July 04, 2012, 04:01:29 PM
Royal Mint of Belgium will have new mint master. Serge Lesens will be replaced by Bernard Gillard. The coins will have new minter mark : cat. We will see it on coins from 2013 year.
Title: Mintmarks & privy marks on the Euro coins.
Post by: Bimat on July 04, 2012, 04:17:37 PM
Correct. :)

Also check: http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15754.0.html

Aditya