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Adjacent hobbies => Coin scales, weights and handling machines => Topic started by: redwine on April 14, 2016, 06:46:31 AM

Title: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: redwine on April 14, 2016, 06:46:31 AM
6.4g
15.88 x 16.15
Uniface
Looks like a very familiar design but I can't place it. Any ideas.  Many thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: malj1 on September 07, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
If the weight is rotated 180 degrees it is somewhat similar to the two weights at the left hand bottom on this box label but I can't read the text!

Its described in the book as fig.109. Antwerp 1586.  ...but then goes on to say:

However no labels were made in Austria, Berlin, Prussia and Schleswig-Holstein. The importance of the label and/or the inscription is that they often bear a date, the name and address of the coin weight-box merchant. and an indication of its coin-weights content.
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: redwine on September 07, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
Aha, Fleur de lys between two faces  8)
Many thanks Mal!  ;D
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: redwine on September 07, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
Closest I've got is a Venetian ducat....................
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: malj1 on September 07, 2016, 02:38:38 PM
I think the text is Dutch but its double-Dutch to me!  :(

...I don't see VenetiŽ.
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: redwine on September 07, 2016, 02:56:31 PM
How about Spain? Fernando V & Isabella.
http://www.coinshome.net/en/coin_variations-2_Excelente-Gold-Spain-0SMK.GJASQIAAAEt5b.374FH.htm
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: constanius on September 07, 2016, 06:59:29 PM
It is might be a French coin weight for a double excelente(double ducat).

I know that both Mary & Elizabeth allowed the excelente use in England, hence the need for its coin weight there.  Quite a few in the UK data base for finds.  Perhaps France had its own coin weight for the excelente too, hence the fleur de lys.

I noticed the one you posted has the image rotated like this one  https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/99629   (https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/99629) though that is where the similarity ends.

This one has the unadorned necks  https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/197000    (https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/197000)
Most coin weights at that time were made in the Low Countries.
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: malj1 on September 07, 2016, 11:47:07 PM
The weight should confirm this if it can checked.
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: constanius on September 08, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
Tim gave the weight as 6.4gm and the two I linked are 6.42gm & 6.44gm, so about right.
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: constanius on September 08, 2016, 02:58:32 AM
Looks like it is an English coin weight for the double excelente.  Assumed the fleur de lys made it a French one...but the English still laid claim to the French crown!

See this example with a fleur de lys between Ferdinand & Isabella and with similar style of bare neck busts.

(http://constanius.com/img/weight.jpg)

from   http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/c/coinweights.htm    (http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/c/coinweights.htm)
Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: malj1 on September 08, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
Excellent! I think we have it.  8)

Title: Re: Money weight - can't place it
Post by: redwine on September 08, 2016, 05:36:05 AM
Splendid! Well done Mal & Pat  ;D