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Other tokens and medals => Advertising, propaganda and numismatic artefacts => Private countermarks => Topic started by: redwine on March 08, 2016, 03:49:35 PM

Title: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: redwine on March 08, 2016, 03:49:35 PM
I think
MOUKVOS
CROIX DU SUD

Countermark on a 1939 French 25c piece. Now concave.
A comment on the occupation?  The cross of Lorraine being the sign of the resistance. Any thoughts.  Many thanks  ;D
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: saro on March 10, 2016, 11:51:29 AM
This is a suggestion...
The "Croix du Sud" was the name of the plane of Jean Mermoz "Latécoère 300" ( aéropostale line Dakar / Saint Louis / Rio), the plane on which he died in dec. 1936; may be "MOUKVOS" is a deformation of "MERMOZ" (in african language ? or some other ?)

I don't think that "Croix du Sud" could be linked with the Lorraine cross.
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: redwine on March 10, 2016, 12:32:34 PM
Yes, I may have assumed too much re the Southern Cross.  :-[

Perhaps it's a Touareg love token?  Or someone's doing some pseudo random counterstamping?
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: redwine on March 10, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
MOUKVOS - I've just tried Google translate.  It reckons its Portuguese for Groom or Bride and Groom  :-\
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: THCoins on March 10, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
Moukvos/Moukvoz is a Jewish family name. So a relation with WOII is not so unlikely ?
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: Figleaf on March 30, 2016, 07:13:43 PM
The discussion on numismatique.com (http://www.numismatique.com/forum/topic/20578-1939-25-centimes-contremarques-moukvos-croix-du-sud/) centres on the following elements:
So, for the moment, the most likely constellation seems to be a post-war French market token for a company called "Croix du Sud", the owner of which was called Moukvoz (or at least that's how the family calls itself now.)

Peter
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: THCoins on March 30, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
A reference to a war-time Moukvos family here (http://www.yadvashem-france.org/les-justes-parmi-les-nations/les-justes-de-france/dossier-6357/).
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: redwine on April 01, 2016, 09:50:24 AM
Thanks guys  ;D
From all the countermarked pieces I've seen I don't remember a worded French countermark on a French coin.  This is just not done.  French countermark on a French token, yes.
The notable exceptions being anything 'satirique,'  ie SEDAN and other words/images on Napoleon III coinage; 25c Patey with beware the Germans etc......
Title: Re: CROIX DU SUD / MOUKVOS countermark
Post by: redwine on April 02, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
I forgot the UN Decime countermark  :-[