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Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 25, 2015, 03:50:47 PM
Image via Kishore Jhunjhunwala on Facebook. Looks pretty cool. 8)

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: bububoy on June 25, 2015, 04:49:32 PM
Image via Kishore Jhunjhunwala on Facebook. Looks pretty cool. 8)

Aditya
Wow ! are you serious  :o
 looks cool 8) but this is like making mockery of your own currency... >:D
mahe
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 25, 2015, 05:10:11 PM
Sorry Mahe, but I'm not sure if I have understood your comment correctly...I don't see anything objectionable in the new serial number pattern..I think many other countries follow the same... ???

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: bububoy on June 25, 2015, 05:38:04 PM
Sorry Mahe, but I'm not sure if I have understood your comment correctly...I don't see anything objectionable in the new serial number pattern..I think many other countries follow the same... ???

Aditya
sorry for my illiteracy on currency notes, but we seldom see such "abnormal changes" formally implemented by the govt mints in Asia. I did see a couple of years ago some euro bills with some additional art work, this was however done by an artist and not by the ECB.
mahe
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 26, 2015, 05:46:29 AM
sorry for my illiteracy on currency notes, but we seldom see such "abnormal changes" formally implemented by the govt mints in Asia. I did see a couple of years ago some euro bills with some additional art work, this was however done by an artist and not by the ECB.
mahe

Matter of personal taste I'd say...I don't see anything wrong if the central bank is trying something new to make banknotes / coins look better... ;)

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on June 26, 2015, 05:50:17 AM
Matter of personal taste I'd say...I don't see anything wrong if the central bank is trying something new to make banknotes / coins look better... ;)

Aditya

Isn't this a type of error. Are we saying all new notes are going to be printed this way?
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 26, 2015, 05:55:39 AM
Isn't this a type of error. Are we saying all new notes are going to be printed this way?

Since Kishore Jhunjhunwala posted this, I believe this change will be implemented sooner or later on all notes. Also, I don' think this is an error, I have seen few other countries where numbers are printed in this fashion.

Aditya
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 26, 2015, 06:09:41 AM
Rs. 100 Currency Notes Will Now Come With Extra Security Feature

Thursday, 25 June 2015

Mumbai, June 25:

With an enhanced security feature, currency notes of Rs. 100 denomination would now come with numerals in ascending size in the number panels, Reserve Bank said today.

RBI has issued Rs. 100 denomination banknotes in Mahatma Gandhi Series - 2005 with this type of new numbering pattern.

Now the numerals in both the number panels of these banknotes will be in ascending size from left to right, while the first three alphanumeric characters (prefix) will remain constant in size, RBI said in a release.

"Printing the numerals in ascending size is a visible security feature in the banknotes so that the general public can easily distinguish a counterfeit note from a genuine one," RBI said.

The design of banknotes with numerals in ascending size is similar in all other respects to the current design of Rs. 100 banknotes in Mahatma Gandhi Series - 2005 except for the new numbering pattern.

Further, all the banknotes in the denomination of Rs100 issued by the RBI in the past will continue to be legal tender, it said.

The new numbering pattern will be introduced in a phased manner in all other denominations, RBI said.

Source: Siasat (http://www.siasat.com/english/news/rs-100-currency-notes-will-now-come-extra-security-feature)
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 26, 2015, 06:10:49 AM
...And here's the RBI press release regarding the same:

https://rbi.org.in/Scripts/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=34276

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on June 27, 2015, 07:04:52 AM
Thanks ... I initially though this was some kind of error.
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 27, 2015, 08:30:38 AM
I don't know how does it add 'additional security' to banknotes...Are these patterns hard to print? Need any extra technology? ???

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Pabitra on June 27, 2015, 09:15:46 AM
Yes, the number printing machine requires all six wheels to be of different sizes. The printing wheels are high technology ( metallurgically) items.
Also since the wheels are of different sizes, they cannot be on same axis and still present flat faces to gather, this the mechanical design is totally different.
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on June 27, 2015, 04:39:32 PM
Yes, the number printing machine requires all six wheels to be of different sizes. The printing wheels are high technology ( metallurgically) items.
Also since the wheels are of different sizes, they cannot be on same axis and still present flat faces to gather, this the mechanical design is totally different.

Thanks! You learn something new everyday... :)

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on June 27, 2015, 05:17:16 PM
Yes, the number printing machine requires all six wheels to be of different sizes. The printing wheels are high technology ( metallurgically) items.
Also since the wheels are of different sizes, they cannot be on same axis and still present flat faces to gather, this the mechanical design is totally different.

Sorry, are numbers still being impact printed? I thought impact printing for numbers was discontinued quite sometime back and its now screen printed?

 ... Hence if you take the current currency notes and feel the numbers, atleast I don't get an sensation on the back side, where as on older notes I could clearly feel the numbers on back ...
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Pabitra on June 27, 2015, 06:52:45 PM
The last time I checked up, I was told that number printer was the main obstacle in going above six digit numbers. World over, many countries have seven digit numbers but countries with impact printers, can not go above six digits.

If this has changed recently, then I am not updated.
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on June 29, 2015, 05:09:39 AM
If this has changed recently, then I am not updated.
Thanks,
I don't know for sure, something to find out :)
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Vivek on September 07, 2015, 04:43:45 AM
RBI brings 7 new features, numbering system to check fake currency

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/rbi-brings-7-new-features-numbering-system-to-check-fake-currency-1081051.html
Vivek
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on December 28, 2015, 03:46:42 PM
Bit off-topic: Not only banknotes but also train tickets (platform tickets, suburban railway tickets and may be express tickets too) will now have the telescopic numbering system... 8)

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on December 28, 2015, 06:19:45 PM
Bit off-topic: Not only banknotes but also train tickets (platform tickets, suburban railway tickets and may be express tickets too) will now have the telescopic numbering system... 8)

Aditya

Humm that is very interesting
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on December 29, 2015, 06:40:25 AM
Who prints railway tickets? Railways must be having their own printing facility, considering that they have to print billions of tickets every year?

Aditya
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on February 09, 2016, 06:07:46 AM
₹50 banknotes with telescopic numbering system also out now. 8)

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on February 09, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
₹50 banknotes with telescopic numbering system also out now. 8)

Aditya

No bleed lines ...
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Vivek on February 10, 2016, 05:33:04 AM
Fake note makers fail to imitate security features

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Fake-note-makers-fail-to-imitate-security-features/articleshow/50923889.cms

Vivek
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Mits on October 06, 2016, 05:59:16 AM
Can someone help when did telephonic series start for each denomination. I have a 2015 50 Rs with telephonic no. but then in 2016 I also have 50 Rs note with old pattern!!
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on October 06, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Can someone help when did telephonic series start for each denomination. I have a 2015 50 Rs with telephonic no. but then in 2016 I also have 50 Rs note with old pattern!!

The implementation is in phased manner, with plates bearing the older and new running in parallel. This starts with some insets and when the new plates are being done, they introduce new features. So we have mix of items. Even 3 variations for same year / inset. Normal, with Telescopic and with Telescopic and bleed lines.
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Mits on October 07, 2016, 02:56:38 PM
Thank you Dheer. This helps me in collecting the inset/prefix/year collection :)
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Mits on December 20, 2016, 04:11:07 AM
Missing square identification mark. is this an error? i have got similar 20 rs note also where the identification mark is missing.
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on December 20, 2016, 05:24:23 AM
Missing square identification mark. is this an error? i have got similar 20 rs note also where the identification mark is missing.

Looks like you are not keeping pace with RBI  >:D
The design for Rs 20 and Rs 50 has been modified. The identification mark, Intaligo printing and some other features have been removed. Read this at other thread http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,36643.msg231225.html#msg231225

So this is not an error, but what the new notes will have. As the plates are not yet fully transitioned, one can find both old and revised designs. on Rs 50 [or Rs 20?] in one of the inset/year you have both the designs. Similar to with telescopic / without telescopic for same year/inset.
Title: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Bimat on December 20, 2016, 05:28:12 AM
Looks like you are not keeping pace with RBI  >:D
The design for Rs 20 and Rs 50 has been modified. The identification mark, Intaligo printing and some other features have been removed. Read this at other thread http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,36643.msg231225.html#msg231225

So this is not an error, but what the new notes will have. As the plates are not yet fully transitioned, one can find both old and revised designs. on Rs 50 [or Rs 20?] in one of the inset/year you have both the designs. Similar to with telescopic / without telescopic for same year/inset.

Dheer, notes you are showing are signed by Patel. What Mits is showing has Rajan's signature... ???

Aditya
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: dheer on December 20, 2016, 07:27:30 AM
Dheer, notes you are showing are signed by Patel. What Mits is showing has Rajan's signature... ???

Aditya

Yes the New Design were introduced during Rajan's tenor. However they were put into circulation during Patel's tenor.

For Raghuram Rajan we have;
Rs 50 - 2016 No Inset Letter / There is also Older design 2016 No inset
Rs 20 - 2016 No Inset Letter
Rs 20 - 2016 L Inset Letter

For Urijit Patel we have;
Rs 50 - 2016, No Inset Letter
Rs 20 - 2016, L Inset Letter
Rs 20 - 2016, R Inset Letter
Title: Re: India: New Serial Number Pattern on Banknotes
Post by: Mits on December 20, 2016, 03:20:07 PM
Agree not keeping up with pace. Thank you for the info.