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Title: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 18, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Many numismatists believe that our passion has its own laws, rules and superstitions.
I propose to write here "gold" thoughts about numismatics.

If you bargain for a coin and already almost bought her, never try on mentally, where she will be in collection.
Will jinx necessarily.
:)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 18, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
The law couples.
For many years, you can not buy some coin. Eventually I bought it.
And in a very short time there is an opportunity buy this coin without problems and cheaply.
;) ;)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: <k> on June 19, 2015, 12:20:38 AM
These thoughts are really about coin collecting, rather than the science of numismatics, so I have moved the topic here. The numismatics board is about money and the creators of money (i.e. coins you can spend), while the Coin Collecting board is about the fans of coins and their activities, needs, thoughts and habits.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Afrasi on June 19, 2015, 01:55:22 AM
Every coin comes twice.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Pabitra on June 19, 2015, 06:50:54 AM
HUMOUR

First Child: What is your father?
Second Child: He is a numismatist.
First Child: But what does he actually do?
Second Child : He collects coins.
First Child: In our place, we call them beggars.


 :)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Bimat on June 19, 2015, 07:05:00 AM
 >:D >:D >:D

Aditya
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 19, 2015, 06:49:18 PM
Pabitra and Afrasi +++++.

When the price of the collection exceeds a certain level (this level is different for each collector), the collection begins to "put pressure."
You can not belong to himself.
  :)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bububoy on June 19, 2015, 07:39:36 PM
When buying coins which are scarce(those which you probably encounter once in a couple of years on ebay or your dealers or friends) and you intend to buy it, pay the future price, never the yesterdays price.. you will regret haggling and not buying it !
mahe
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 19, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
Bravo, bububoy.
Yes, this is our "rake".
Every at least once trod on the "rake".
 ;D
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on June 20, 2015, 04:08:53 PM
For every statement on coins, there is at least one exception. Therefore, "coin" cannot be defined.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 20, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
For every statement on coins, there is at least one exception. Therefore, "coin" cannot be defined.
 Peter

It should be included in the new edition of Murphy's Law!
"Peter Principle about the futility of expertise"
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on June 21, 2015, 12:03:05 PM
 :D :D :D

Don't think expertise is futile. It takes expertise to understand the statement. However, classification if futile. Judging people by what they collect is futile. Even defining the borders of what is a coin is futile. A poetic wise guy, Willem Kloos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Kloos), once defined art as the most individual expression of the most individual emotion. So is coin collecting.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 23, 2015, 06:41:14 PM
...Willem Kloos once defined art as the most individual expression of the most individual emotion. So is coin collecting.
Against this, it is difficult to argue.
Sir Philip Anthony Hopkins (http://Sir Philip Anthony Hopkins) said: "The truth is that there is no truth".

Every normal collector will explain why he does it:
1. He gets aesthetic pleasure.
2. History. A coin is part of history which can be felt in the hand.
3. Exclusive information. The process of study of rare coin gives new information.
4. Investment.
5. "Ponty" (braggadocio)  :) (this can not be translated literally). I have something that others have not. All this is saw and said: "Wah".
   :o

Et cetera.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bububoy on June 23, 2015, 11:58:06 PM
I am loving reading this thread, i think it should be rechristened as "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Numismatica" :P
mahe
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on June 24, 2015, 12:22:32 AM
An observation that fits in the "Peter principle on the futility of categorisation":

The expression pecunia non olet was coined before coin packaging with plastic softener was invented, creating stinking coins as an exception to the rule. :)

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Prosit on June 24, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
A regular person can own coins... but coins own the coin collector.


Dale
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bububoy on June 24, 2015, 03:14:57 PM
@dale perfectly said and well COINED !! :D
mahe
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: aarkay on June 25, 2015, 08:17:48 AM
Hi…

Never run after to buy any coin…the coin ,if destined, will choose you…by running after any coin one tends to overlook the sense of proportion…and ultimately pay a lot more than intended…like in share market…keep a price  for purchase… further unlike shares which one buy and sell, the coins are for keeps…

Aarkay
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: malj1 on June 25, 2015, 08:50:11 AM
When buying coins which are scarce(those which you probably encounter once in a couple of years on ebay or your dealers or friends) and you intend to buy it, pay the future price, never the yesterdays price.. you will regret haggling and not buying it !
mahe

You pay over the odds for a very rare token on eBay and then the same seller then puts another and better example which sells for 99p.   :'(
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: aarkay on June 25, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
You pay over the odds for a very rare token on eBay and then the same seller then puts another and better example which sells for 99p.   :'(

Hi...

Malj1....well said....ebay has a typical American business out look...Caveat Emptor... "buyer beware" attitude... >:D

Aarkay
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on June 28, 2015, 05:35:36 PM
Thinking on the real cost of the coin (collector "mistershilling").
1. The coin possible to estimate.
The estimate in different directories always different.
2. The coin has a price.
But this price is regulated by supply and demand.
3. Any price would be is subjective.
Coins of Japan does not need to me. I do not collect them. But someone has paid for this coin two prices. It is his theme.

Axiom "mistershilling":
Coins do not have a real cost
;D
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bububoy on June 29, 2015, 01:58:07 AM
Universal Fact:
"No two coins are the same"

Even if they are from the same era, ruler, mint, material, weight, grade, shape, size; there will always be a difference which is not visible even to the keenest of eyes !

mahe
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on June 30, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
While quite true in the vast majority of cases, you will find it difficult to find two uncirculated coins that are different. The irony is that the sameness is a security feature that is useful for circulation coins, but not for proofs.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on July 15, 2015, 07:13:20 PM
"No two coins are the same"
The first law of expertise.
Do not look for the exact similarity. Look for similarities in the details. :)

Igor
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Prosit on July 15, 2015, 09:57:22 PM
The next coin you want is always more exciting then the one you just got  :-)

Dale

Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: aarkay on July 16, 2015, 06:14:45 AM
The next coin you want is always more exciting then the one you just got  :-)

Dale

Hi...

You said it....like so many other things in life... ;D

Aarkay
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on July 20, 2015, 02:39:51 PM
The second law of expertise.
Quality the expertise is directly proportional to the competence of the experts, but in inverse proportion to their amount. ;)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Bimat on July 22, 2015, 07:15:40 AM
Minimum rarity of any coin on eBay is RRRR ;D ;)

Aditya
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on July 29, 2015, 01:03:01 PM
A law is third expertise.
An expert will "pay" his error from his own reputation, but a customer disburses expert error from the own pocket.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on July 29, 2015, 04:37:22 PM
The best way to determine if plastic contains softener, harmful for a coin is: if the coin in it is expensive, the plastic contains softener. If the coin is cheap, the plastic is safe.

This is actually one of the many laws derived from Murphy's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law).

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on August 01, 2015, 02:50:50 PM
The best way to determine if plastic contains softener, harmful for a coin is: if the coin in it is expensive, the plastic contains softener. If the coin is cheap, the plastic is safe.

This is actually one of the many laws derived from Murphy's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law).
Yes, Murphy's laws are the laws of our lives. This is my "desktop book"!

Who's an expert?
The universal definition of this book:

Weber's definition:
Expert - a man who knows more and more about less and less until he will know absolutely everything absolutely about nothing at all.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: malj1 on August 01, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
In promulgating your esoteric cogitations, or articulating your superficial sentimentalities and amicable, philosophical or psychological observations, beware of platitudinous ponderousity. Let your conversational communications possess a clarified conciseness, a compacted comprehensibleness, coalescent consistency, and a concatenated cogency. Eschew all conglomerations of flatulent garrulity, jejune babblement, and asinine affectations.

Let your extemporaneous descantings and unpremeditated expatiations have intelligibility and veracious vivacity, without rodomontade or thrasonical bombast. Sedulously avoid all polysyllabic profundity, pompous prolixity, psittaceous vacuity ventriloquial verbosity, and vaniloquent vapidity. Shun double-entendres, prurient jocosity, and pestiferous profanity, obscurant or apparent!! And, don't teach with big words.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on August 08, 2015, 05:15:03 PM
OK.

Parable.
A long time ago an old aksakal (this is a very clever old man), numismatist in the second generation, said to me:
Lad, not collect cheap trash. This trash your children buried together with you. Or will sell to no avail and curse their parent. It is necessary to collect a few dozen such coins for which the buyer will stand in queue.
But it is collected what lay beneath their feet, in a purse or shine beautifully. Eventually they begin to buy good coin (1-2 per year). 90% lose interest and stop there.
Those who choose to continue (ideological numismatists) lead his collection in a decent view. But while 90% die of old age.

So while is not too late, listen to old aksakal.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on August 21, 2015, 06:27:42 AM
Complete does not exist. Happiness does exist.

There is always a variety that is out of budgetary reach or all the known specimen are in museums. There is always another coin to collect.

However, even when the collection has "holes", all the collector has to do to enjoy it is to realise how truly unimportant the holes are in relation to what he has assembled.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on September 14, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
"Collectors are the happiest people", Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on October 21, 2015, 08:47:19 PM
Some prominent scientists believe collecting frivolous matter.
Ernest Rutherford, was a New Zealand-born British physicist who became known as the father of nuclear physics.

"All science is either physics or stamp collecting."

As quoted in Rutherford at Manchester (1962) by J. B. Birks
Unsourced variants:
    Unsourced variants:
    That which is not measurable is not science. That which is not physics is stamp collecting.
    Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bgriff99 on October 22, 2015, 12:33:19 AM
Some prominent scientists believe collecting frivolous matter.


"All science is either physics or stamp collecting."


Anyone who says: "What I do is important, difficult, and valuable to humanity.   What everybody else does is stupid, easy and unimportant." instantly loses all credibility.   "Stamp collecting" is widely used as a pejorative for frivolous activity.    Something for children to occupy themselves.   At the point where people, adults of a certain age, lose themselves in minutiae of detail varieties of the same stamps they first collected perhaps 45 years previously, alright.   That is not the same as a child learning history, languages, geography, and a little about printing thrown in.    It does not acknowledge, in fact denies the arc of collecting for most people over their lives.   I am fully aware and remember the first thing I collected was acorns.   An easy link to the biological role of children in gathering food.   I still forage quite a bit.    I also collected rocks, keen on finding flint to knap, but of course also fossils.   Whether fossils, paintings, coins or scripophily, we stay with it for the beauty, history, learning and community.

Collecting and classifying per se are the foundation of science.   Science evolved from survival, making better tools, finding better food, making shelter.   Eventually it horned in on and usurped "story making" in the role of explaining the universe.   Physics sits at the crux of tool making and cosmology.  It does happen to be difficult to do.      That is a fine thing.   I strongly support history and physics versus fantasy and religion.   

But I would ask Dr. Rutherford if the people who figured out how to tan animal skins, weave and sew, make flint tools, invent writing and record history as it happened, discover medicinal plants, manufacture bronze, brass, steel, gunpowder, cast coins, domesticate animals, program computers, were physicists or stamp collectors.   

If his answer is :   "I mean now, not in the past", then he adds to arrogance a bias for the present.   "Modern" physics only exists on the prior work of metallurgists, chemists, electricians, engineers, glassmakers at the cutting edge of science of their day.    And then countless millions of artisans, factory workers, miners, farmers and soldiers without whom no advances would have had an impetus to be furthered.

A better division of science is into tool making and story telling.   It all starts with collecting:   flint, ore, fuel, plants and seeds, rocks, artifacts and documents.   Dr. Rutherford foists off much work on others, while denigrating them.   He is a glorified flint knapper, merely using all that calculus to devise a better spear point.   
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: malj1 on October 22, 2015, 04:52:18 AM
A prominent Stamp and Coin shop in Melbourne Australia received a letter yesterday informing the shop and the entire arcade is to be demolished to to make way for a new underground line.

Max was on the TV news last night and is devastated, as he is now 94 so is somewhat too old to relocate! He has been in this location since 1956 and I have been a customer since around 1959.

https://www.maxstern.com.au/about-us/ (https://www.maxstern.com.au/about-us/)
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: aarkay on October 22, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
A prominent Stamp and Coin shop in Melbourne Australia received a letter yesterday informing the shop and the entire arcade is to be demolished to to make way for a new underground line.

Max was on the TV news last night and is devastated, as he is now 94 so is somewhat too old to relocate! He has been in this location since 1956 and I have been a customer since around 1959.

https://www.maxstern.com.au/about-us/ (https://www.maxstern.com.au/about-us/)

Hi...

Remembering  the old quote...

“The old order changeth, yielding place to new,   
And God fulfils himself in many ways,   
Lest one good custom should corrupt the world."


The Passing of Arthur
Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron (1809–92)
From “Idylls of the King”

Aarkay

Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on October 22, 2015, 10:19:22 AM
he is now 94 so is somewhat too old to relocate! He has been in this location since 1956 and I have been a customer since around 1959.

I am a customer of Johan Mevius & son since 1959. At that time, he had just "promoted" himself from street seller to coin dealer/shopkeeper. His business went through a number of permutations. He ended up as coin book dealer with coins and medals as side business and finally moved out of Amsterdam, to a nice ex-farm in the East of the country (known as "the wilderness" in the West). He transferred the business to his son and bought a very nice house in the South of France, enjoying his retirement to this day.

- The lesson the first: one is not too old to move, but one may lack the funds or the family members to outsource the move.
- The lesson the second: when it's time to stop, stop.

Retirement does have its attractions also. Besides, you can do odd jobs and they are never routine, you are no longer in a traffic jam because of office hours and you don't have to keep on explaining to a "manager" who couldn't do your job if he wanted to what you have been doing, what you are doing and what you are planning to do.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: constanius on October 24, 2015, 03:30:09 AM
That which is not physics is stamp collecting.
    Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting.

I understand this as meaning that he thought that any science, biology, chemistry etc but excluding physics is unimportant or as he puts it "just stamp collecting" and nothing to do with collecting of any sort or everyday people, jobs etc, just the other, to him, lesser sciences.

Well if he had appreciate biology and medical science he might not have died when he did

 "For some time before his death, Rutherford had a small hernia, which he had neglected to have fixed, and it became strangulated, causing him to be violently ill. Despite an emergency operation in London, he died four days afterwards of what physicians termed "intestinal paralysis", at Cambridge"

A certain irony there.

Pat



Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Prosit on January 21, 2016, 03:27:46 PM
Just heard this elsewhere about buying coins in an area you aren't familiar with and though the thought is commonly expressed,  I liked the way it was phrased.

If you don't have a clue,
No purchases till you do.

Dale
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on January 21, 2016, 03:56:40 PM
I am adventurous and go with a different one:

When in trouble or in doubt
Run in circles, scream and shout

In a place like Cairo, it's the more fun approach. Remember Indiana Jones in Cairo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I_Ds2ytz4o)? :)

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on February 27, 2016, 04:20:21 PM
Numismatics - pleasure from well spent leisure.
and
Professional Numismatics - pleasure from well work.

Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on February 28, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
A small gouge on a coin is damage. A big gouge is a cancellation, a counterstamp, a test mark or a political protest.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on April 05, 2016, 07:14:26 PM
There are a handful of people whom money won't spoil, and we all count ourselves among them. ;)

Mignon McLaughlin
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on April 05, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
A coin that is difficult to identify is called good. A coin that is impossible to identify is called Celtic.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: malj1 on April 06, 2016, 12:42:56 AM
This happens to be on eBay today and described simply as "CELTIC COINS"
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on July 13, 2016, 02:05:29 AM
The more important an old currency is, the more of its coins will be in coin collections. The less important a modern currency is, the more of its coins will be in coin collections.

The first part of this thought is a consequence of international use and large numbers struck of important old currencies (e.g. Spanish silver). The second part of this thought follows from the fact that more important currencies change their coins less often.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on November 26, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
Real numismatist is person who sees the coins in the money.

I.Kolomiets
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: aarkay on November 27, 2016, 05:33:07 AM
Real numismatist is person who sees the coins in the money.

I.Kolomiets

Hi all....

And also thinks it as a piece of history... ;D

Aarkay






Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on November 27, 2016, 01:29:26 PM
What may sometimes stop a coin collector is not running out of money, but running out of coin drawer space, album pages or coin cartons.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on May 23, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
The best photo's are made of weathered old ladies and young fashion models. So it is with coins. The old and the pristine make the best pictures, except that coins can be old and pristine at the same time. :)

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: bgriff99 on May 23, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
Interesting analogy.    Then are the photos of fakes which somebody has paid $12000 at auction for.    And we wait to hear news of the imp... refund.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on September 23, 2017, 05:37:25 PM
Whether a collection is modest or great depends neither on the number of coins in the collection nor on their aggregate "value". Instead, it depends on the explicit knowledge, passion and care that goes into building the collection. A great collection yields emotional results, such as erudition, satisfaction, piece of mind, amazement and smiles.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on December 23, 2018, 04:42:40 PM
Arthur Schopenhauer was not a numismatist. But in his aphorisms, he writes about coins.

"Fun - ringing coin of happiness, everything else - credit cards"
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Rabi_R on December 24, 2018, 04:14:20 AM
Arthur Schopenhauer was not a numismatist. But in his aphorisms, he writes about coins.

"Fun - ringing coin of happiness, everything else - credit cards"

Are you sure Schopenhauer said this? He died in 1860. How on earth could he have talked about credit cards?
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on December 24, 2018, 10:01:05 AM
Are you sure Schopenhauer said this? He died in 1860. How on earth could he have talked about credit cards?

1. See http://statusmind.com/clever-quotes-1500/ (http://statusmind.com/clever-quotes-1500/)
2. In Germany, paper money began to be issued from the end of the 18th century.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Rabi_R on December 24, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
1. See http://statusmind.com/clever-quotes-1500/ (http://statusmind.com/clever-quotes-1500/)
2. In Germany, paper money began to be issued from the end of the 18th century.

Not just in Germany, even in British India, paper money was being issued in the 1770s and 80s by the Bank of Hindostan and Bank of Bengal and Bihar. But since paper money and credit cards are totally different concepts, the question remains if he had meant paper money when he said credit card......if he said that at all. I have my reservation about veracity of internet information.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on December 24, 2018, 01:57:16 PM
Thank you for your opinion.
1. No sense to continue the discussion here about credit cards or their analogs in Germany of the 18th and 19th centuries.
2. I agree, information on the Internet may be unreliable. It is necessary to read Schopenhauer in the original.

Rgrd,
Igor
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on December 14, 2019, 05:00:51 PM
From J. Adrianov.

It is widely believed that everyone who collects coins is a numismatist.
I tried to make a brief classification of our community.

Classification Attempt:
1. Inexperienced/Lazy Collector.
2. The Collector.
3. Numismatist.


The inexperienced/Lazy Collector is the one who purchases coins without any system and without using special catalogs.
The acquisition of coins is the main task of the whole process. The study / determination of coins is not conducted or is conducted randomly.

The Сollector creates his collection according to some specific principle, trying to substantively show the chosen topic, to make the collection "speak".
It is very important for the collector to buy coins and search for the right coins for his personal collection.
For the Collector, the condition of the coins when buying is usually a priority,

Numismatist from a collector differs in setting goals. For Numismatist, the main thing is information. The number of coins in his personal collection, the condition of the coins and the price are not of primary importance. The value of a coin is determined only by the information component.
Numismatist seeks and creates original, previously unknown information or new findings from already known research.

___________________
The boundaries between these categories are sometimes vague and arbitrary. Sometimes one person can be classified simultaneously in three categories.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on December 15, 2019, 11:14:07 AM
Yes and no. The prototypes are recognisable, but they suggest three distinct classes, one better than the other. I would argue that reality is more complicated.

First, the classes are not distinct. Collectors can be several stages at the same time or they can move from one to the other. Some examples from personal experience: a year ago, I knew nothing about telephone tokens and I did research on Central Asian coins, I collected euro coins from circulation, but my want list wasn't up to date and I was re-organising my British bus/tram tokens. Now, I have done a large number of pages on WoT and a presentation on telephone tokens and I am still doing research on Central Asian coins, my euro coin collection looks less sloppy and the want list has improved somewhat after a quite successful visit to a Brussels coin shop and the bus/tram token collection has lost attention for lack of new stuff. Then and now, lack of new stuff also hampered my well-researched collection of Dutch coins and my under-researched French coins. I am currently starting to research Dutch gas distribution tokens. In other words, my collecting was in all three categories all the time.

Second and more important, coin collecting is voluntary and unpaid. It is not a job, but a way to spend your own time in your own way. That means that you can approach your hobby any way you want. If, like me, you don't want to put stuff on paper, but do like to build up something significant in a random way and over a period of time, that's just as good for you as writing a standard reference book or sloppy collecting. Don't get me wrong, the standard reference book is of great value to other collectors and a real contribution to collecting, knowledge and perhaps research or even a contribution to world peace, but if a sloppy collection makes the collector happy, so be it. Also, I am personally convinced that the more you know about the coin, the more you appreciate it, but I am not asking anyone to agree with me.

I short, people who collect for the chase, but wouldn't know what to do when the chase is over are just as much collector as people who can do without the coin as long as they have a high-res illustration.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: brandm24 on December 15, 2019, 12:45:02 PM
It's very simple to me. You collect what you like for what ever reason.

 I've always had eclectic tastes, acquiring what ever struck my fancy at any given time. Labels such as numismatist, collector, accumulator, etc. are meaningless . It's just no concern of mine.

I've had this "condition" for about 65 years now and have enjoyed every minute of it. Enjoyment is the bottom line to all this. Wouldn't trade it for anything.

Bruce
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on December 19, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
I agree with Peter and Bruce.
Of course, reality is more complicated.
And we have pleasure and even enjoyment from our hobby.

But everyone starts with the simplest and then only two ways:
1. Finish this hobby
2. Develop with the collection.
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on December 19, 2019, 07:58:07 PM
You are quite right, Igor. Most people start with leftover coins from trips abroad. Nothing wrong with that, but if you get stuck there, you miss almost all of the fun. Also, it doesn't end with coins and collecting. I have been in fantastic places, such as museum reserves, seen exquisite numismatic items and met unforgettable friends and most amazing experts through coins.

And still, nothing tickles me as much as a collector advancing, going from hoarder to collector, learning a different script or going from collector to researcher. So here is my contribution to this thread: seeing a collector advance in his/her hobby is like seeing a good friend win the lottery.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on July 14, 2020, 10:57:57 AM
For their own safety, coins get locked up, people get locked down.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Gusev on July 14, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
For their own safety, coins get locked up, people get locked down.

Peter

Like.
Locked down / Lockdown.
It's a pun?
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on July 14, 2020, 01:14:58 PM
Yes, it's one of the inconsistencies of English, like being in front of the television but behind the computer.

Peter
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: gpimper on September 14, 2020, 09:02:50 PM
;-)  New shirt!
Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: brandm24 on September 14, 2020, 09:32:58 PM
Kind of silly I guess. I'm guilty of buying money all the time. My wife on the other hand just spends it and doesn't understand why I rarely buy anything but coins. Silly girl!  ???

Bruce

Title: Re: Wise thoughts about numismatics/coin collecting
Post by: Figleaf on October 07, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
Putting the same or no design on both sides of a USB connector should be punishable by a spanking from your mother (it's for your own good) or father (this will hurt you more than it will hurt me). :hammer:

OK, OK, it's only indirectly about coin collecting ;)

Peter