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Euro coins => Commemorative 2 euro coins => Topic started by: chrisild on December 14, 2014, 10:48:01 PM

Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: chrisild on December 14, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
There have been rumors about a common €2 commemorative coin, to be issued in 2015, with the theme "30th Anniversary of the European Flag". Actually the flag is older, but in 1985 it was adopted as an EU symbol.

When our member Frizio showed us his idea for such a coin (see here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,29516.0.html)), I initially thought that there won't be such a piece. Well, except there are serious thoughts about it ...  Currently we do not have an official decision yet, but that may change.

As a collector I am not really fond of the idea. Yes, if the euro area was able to agree to a truly common issue, that would be interesting. However, if this was one of those joint issues - with 19 almost identical designs - my desire to get the pieces would be close to zero.

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on December 15, 2014, 12:59:33 AM
This is a note from the General Secretariat of the Council of the European Union to the Committee of Permanent Representatives (Coreper) PDF, English (http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-16014-2014-INIT/en/pdf), about 160K file. Quote:

COREPER could therefore suggest that the Council at a forthcoming meeting decides on a new common commemorative coin for 2015 commemorating the "30th anniversary of the European flag".

Background: The European Flag was first adopted by the Council of Europe (CoE - not an EU body) in 1955. In April 1983 the European Parliament voted for a decision to also use that flag, and in June 1985 the European Council (an EU body) said Yes. The CoE gave its OK as well, and today uses a slightly modified version (see logo (http://www.coe.int/en/web/about-us/official-logo)). So the European Flag as a symbol of the EU is indeed 30 years old ...

Interestingly, Europe Day and the European Anthem were equally adopted as EU (and in a broader sense European) symbols by the Council in 1985. But it seems the proposed coin would be about the flag only.

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: annovi.frizio on December 15, 2014, 06:04:18 AM
my.. proposal.. :-)

(http://www.friziodesign.it/coins/30anni.png)

here:

http://www.friziodesign.it/coins20.html (http://www.friziodesign.it/coins20.html)

:-)
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: eurocoin on December 15, 2014, 06:54:13 AM
The other proposed themes for a joint 2 euro commemorative coin in 2015 were:

70th Anniversary of the Second World War
65th Anniversary of the Schuman Declaration
50th Anniversary of the Death of Winston Churchill
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Bimat on December 15, 2014, 06:59:36 AM
I'm really surprised to see Churchill's name for the common theme! :o

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on December 15, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
I'm really surprised to see Churchill's name for the common theme! :o

Some kind of joke maybe? As for the other two, the WW2 theme will be dealt with on next year's euro/star coins (European Silver Program, or so), and the Schuman Declaration would have been covered by the Europe Day that I mentioned. After all, 9 May refers to Schuman's speech in 1950 but became an EU "symbol" in 1985, just like the flag and the anthem.

In any case, if we are to get 19 almost identical commemorative pieces, I will not. :)  Get them, that is.  Maybe one, just as I don't need all five mint marks for Germany ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: eurocoin on December 15, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
According to the document (http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-16316-2014-INIT/en/pdf) they wanted to commemorate him because it was he who called for the United Nations of Europe. No further explanation is given. There won't be a public designing competition, only mints will be able to submit designs and the public will be able to vote again (after a pre-selection by a jury). The coins will be issued in June 2015.

Who knows, San Marino may issue a coin for this occasion too so that would make 20 (or 24 for people who collect all 5 mintmarks on the German coins).
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on December 15, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
According to the document (http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-16316-2014-INIT/en/pdf) they wanted to commemorate him because it was he who called for the United Nations of Europe.

Yes, shortly after WW2 in Zurich. Ironically, the "we" that he used then apparently refers to Continental Europe, and his country did not contribute much, as far as I can tell, to the construction of the union that Churchill may have had in mind. So it makes sense to not use that as a theme, but of course in 2016 some member states may issue coins that commemorate the anniversary of the speech.

Thanks for the link to that PDF file. It seems that the decision making process has advanced further than I thought ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: eurocoin on December 15, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
Just came across this in the document, it is going to be a very expensive series I guess >:(

Quote
"Some Member States have indicated that their 2015 issuance planning is already well advanced.
It is therefore agreed that some Member States will mint only very small quantities below the call for
tender threshold."
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Bimat on December 15, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Just came across this in the document, it is going to be a very expensive series I guess >:(

I think that's just yet another excuse for issuing less number of coins, both dealers and the issuing authorities will make fortune of it anyway... ::)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: augsburger on December 16, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Yeah, and it will backfire on them. The less they mint, the less people will collect.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Bimat on December 17, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Yeah, and it will backfire on them. The less they mint, the less people will collect.

Unfortunately, it is not happening, at-least with euro coins. The demand seems to be growing every year... ::)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on December 17, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
Unfortunately, it is not happening, at-least with euro coins. The demand seems to be growing every year... ::)

If people could simply do what I do, this world would be a better pla----errm, I mean, then this common issue might change things. 8)  In a German language forum, somebody suggested to try a combination of flags: If the conditions of the "mint contest" said that it would be OK to combine the European flag and the national flag, the designers might choose to put the European and the French flag on the French coin, European and Dutch on the Dutch piece, etc.

This way you would still have an easily recognizable "family" of coins, but the designs would be slightly different. And since the EU's motto is Unity in Diversity, his idea is quite appropriate. He did send the suggestion to the Council, but who knows whether there will be any reaction ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: augsburger on December 17, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
Well, no doubt it would be a bland coin, there's no competition open to all I'm assuming, so it'll just be your generic rubbish that took a couple of minutes to draw.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on December 17, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
Well, no doubt it would be a bland coin, there's no competition open to all I'm assuming, so it'll just be your generic rubbish that took a couple of minutes to draw.

Guess they just issue "bland" issues to increase your pulse or blood pressure. ;)  On the average, I find euro coins about as well or badly designed as many others, but of course YMMV. As for the designs, the proposal makes a suggestion regarding the procedure - basically the same way as last time. (Don't think the design that won took just a few minutes ...) Just for the record, those common issues are the only coins that I may at least vote on; Germany does not even allow that when it comes to their designs.

So, as I wrote, I am not fond of this issue, and may well decide to not get it except for one piece. But that is simply due to the (probable) uniformity combined with low mintages.

Edit - The Portuguese Mint now lists such an issue in its annual program. More "later".

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on January 28, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
You can find the planned issue on page 15 of the INCM (Portuguese Mint) program for 2015:
https://www.incm.pt/portal/arquivo/numismatica/plano_numismatico_2015.pdf

Also see the attached screenshot ...

Christian
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Bimat on January 30, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
So another common issue is almost confirmed now. Collecting all €2 coins this year is NOT going to be easy! ::)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: augsburger on January 30, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Is it going to be common or just for Portugal? Perhaps there are clues there I'm not reading.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Bimat on January 31, 2015, 01:09:59 PM
Since Greece has also announced the 'European Flag' issue, it's now confirmed that there will be a common issue this year.

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: augsburger on January 31, 2015, 07:22:06 PM
Another says Malta has confirmed THREE two Euro commemoratives for 2015, the last being the flag. They seem to suggest that designs have already been submitted and potentially they've chosen already. Maybe no vote on this one, the EU probably doesn't trust the people to give a design the EU wants.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on February 01, 2015, 04:11:25 PM
As for the EU bashing, that is getting old. But yes, Malta (http://www.centralbankmalta.org/en/news/53/2015/405) also lists the issue. See the attached screenshot.

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Illioplius on February 02, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
I am already decided not to collect this issue.

First of all, there is no need to commemorate the European flag on a coin. Almost every euro coin already depicts the flag – twelve stars. The European flag will be probably depicted on the commemorative coins, so there will be something like "flag in the flag on the coin". Absurd.

Secondly, I am against the common issues and the coin overflow. If they just set the topic and let every member state to decide about the design, that would be actually interesting. But nobody needs about twenty coins looking almost the same. Also, the coin overflow worries me.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: augsburger on February 02, 2015, 01:04:43 PM
Yeah, I'm the same, I haven't even got the last common issue, I will collect anything, if I get a coin I'll keep it, but I haven't bought any 2 euro coins for years now.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on February 02, 2015, 02:42:01 PM
If they just set the topic and let every member state to decide about the design, that would be actually interesting.

That is what the Euro/Star program is for. One common theme, and every participating country picks its own design. Used to be silver collector coins; now it can be pretty much everything. This year's French "Peace" €2 coin, for example, has that logo too.

No, I am basically OK with a common issue that has just one design. But in my opinion, that should indeed be one type then, issued by all euro area member states like the euro notes are. Since that would mean touching some holy grail ;) it won't come to that. Consequence for me - just as I do not need five German coins (A-D-F-G-J) per issue, just one, I plan to get precisely one of these European Flag coins.

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: Illioplius on February 02, 2015, 10:55:21 PM
That is what the Euro/Star program is for. One common theme, and every participating country picks its own design. Used to be silver collector coins; now it can be pretty much everything. This year's French "Peace" €2 coin, for example, has that logo too.

No, I am basically OK with a common issue that has just one design. But in my opinion, that should indeed be one type then, issued by all euro area member states like the euro notes are. Since that would mean touching some holy grail ;) it won't come to that. Consequence for me - just as I do not need five German coins (A-D-F-G-J) per issue, just one, I plan to get precisely one of these European Flag coins.

Christian
All right, but if this system (star program) works, why can't it be applied for common commemorative issues as well? I mean, where is the "unity in diversity" in the common issues? :D All I see is the same design used on plenty of coins which makes it boring and unoriginal.

"Eurozone" as the issuing entity is quite sensitive matter, but if it works with the banknotes (no national symbols, name of country etc.) why can't it work with common issues as well? But still, better than the experiments like this, no common issues would be better solution – in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on February 02, 2015, 11:15:41 PM
Well, I collect the coins that I find interesting and/or attractive. This way the "no common issues" policy applies to me. ;D  One will be enough for my collection. If we had 19 different designs instead ... I would have to pay more, hehe.

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue?
Post by: chrisild on March 04, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
From the Design Requirements (http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/media//pdf/Annex_I.pdf) published by the Central Bank of Cyprus ...

The compulsory elements of the coin are:
- on the outer ring: the 12 stars of the European flag completely surrounding the design;
- in the inner circle: the year 2015 (e.g. "2015" or "1985-2015") and the text "ISSUING COUNTRY" (that will be replaced by the name of each country in its language(s) on the coin to be issued).
The design should preferably not include any other text in order to avoid possible translation difficulties and to limit the difficulties for those countries having several national languages. However, if there is a text, it should be extremely short and in English. The design shall be drawn up in such a way that, where applicable a mint mark can be added in the inner circle of the coin. Furthermore, a design in the form of a map should preferably be avoided since it might be seen as repetitive to have a geographical representation on both sides of the coin.


More information here (http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=14680). The page has a language menu at the top (English | Ελληνικά), so depending on what you see, you may want to switch. Thanks to numisfreund from a German forum; as far as I can tell, that info has not been published online by the European Commission yet.

Christian
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: chrisild on April 20, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
We have five finalists - you may now vote:
http://www.coin-competition.eu

Edit: I attached screenshots of the five designs, from "FlagA" (very left on the voting page) to "FlagE" (very right). Tried to make them roughly the same size ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: chrisild on April 20, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Some comments and side notes:
* As usual, anybody in the euro area (i.e. citizens and residents) may vote.
* You can get an enlarged view by moving the mouse/pointer across a design. Right-click (or whatever it takes to get a context menu) to view/download that design.
* Do that five times, and you have seen (or downloaded) them all.

In my opinion, none of the five designs is thrilling or exciting. But at least you can tell that the five finalists did not simply pick the ring of stars and nothing else as the design. Guess I will just get one, maybe from Germany or some other "high volume" issuer ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on April 20, 2015, 03:45:46 PM
I voted for the second one, I don't particularly like the design too much, but compared to the other ones it's the best.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: chrisild on April 20, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
Interesting that none of the five designs has an "explanatory" text. Then again, something like Thirtieth Anniversary of the Adoption of the European Flag as a symbol of the European Union might result in microprint, hehe.

The second design is not bad indeed; looks a little more dynamic than the others. The idea of little people holding hands (on two of the designs) - well, nice, but I have seen that on other euro coins. The only reason why I would not vote for that design: It is the only one that merely says "2015" instead of the "1985-2015" that can be found on the others.

As for whether I will vote, hmm. It's a bit like an election for a city borough/district council - one is tempted not to vote, simply because none of the options is great, and the vote is not terribly decisive or relevant. But if I don't vote, the turnout may be lousy, with a lousy winner. So all in all, I may vote. ;D

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on April 20, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
Reason to vote: Prizes......

Okay, you've got to pick the winning design and then maybe get close to the question of how many people will vote for the winning design, or something. But you've got a chance.  >:D
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on April 20, 2015, 05:31:21 PM
I can't vote but my vote is also for #2. 8)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on April 20, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
Actually you can vote, you just have to lie.  8) ;D
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: chrisild on April 20, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
Yeah, and then Aditya wins and cannot receive his prize. >:D
Side note: According to this page (http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/cash/commemorative/30years_of_the_eu_flag_en.htm), 62 designs had been submitted ...

Christian
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Illioplius on April 20, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
Nothing surprising, all designs are totally neutral and boring. I cannot see any deeper message in them. Stick figures? No, thank you, we have had those on EMU and 10 years of cash coins. Two people dancing? What does that mean? Strange curve with twelve stars? I find it quite unappealing. However, the first design is perhaps the worst: the flag is waving in the wind but the stars seem as the flag was straight.
My vote goes probably to the number 2: the least bad design and it has some romance in it.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on May 28, 2015, 02:43:07 PM
And the winner is....(announced couple of minutes back)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on May 28, 2015, 03:42:34 PM
So much excitement I can't contain myself (in a small box 1mm by 1mm)  >:D
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Alan71 on May 28, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
Isn't it a bit boring to have a coin with the European flag on?  It's a rather boring emblem anyway.  It may have meant something in 1985 when there were 12 countries in the (then) EC, but I struggle to work out what the 12 stars are now supposed to represent.  I refuse to have the EU flag on my car registration plates (and I'm not anti-Europe) so I wouldn't be interested in a coin with it on.  It's time for a new EU flag.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: <k> on May 28, 2015, 06:35:52 PM
If you want a coin that commemorates the EU flag, what better way to do it than to show the EU flag? Two of the main components of flags are stars and stripes, and the EU flag has stars. I agree, though, with the poster up-thread who complained about yet more stick people.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Alan71 on May 28, 2015, 07:03:48 PM
^^ The coin already has the EU flag on it though, the stars going round the edge!  There's no getting away from it on Euro coins!
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: <k> on May 28, 2015, 07:06:45 PM
^^ The coin already has the EU flag on it though, the stars going round the edge!  There's no getting away from it on Euro coins!

There's no getting away from it, but it is the perfect visual identifier for coins that circulate throughout the euro zone, making them instantly recognisable.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on May 30, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
Interestingly, the winner of this competition, George Stamatopoulos from Greece, was also the winner of similar competition in 2009 (10 Years of EMU). Merely a coincidence or...?!?

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on May 30, 2015, 01:55:41 PM
Interestingly, the winner of this competition, George Stamatopoulos from Greece, was also the winner of similar competition in 2009 (10 Years of EMU). Merely a coincidence or...?!?

Aditya

Or just very good at telling people to vote for him. No coincidence, I'd bet most of the votes for him came from Greece.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Jostein on May 30, 2015, 03:36:02 PM
Any of design were interesting, but the winner one is one of the worst. Terrible choose :S
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: eurocoin on May 30, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
I was struggling to decide on which one I would vote, actually I found the winning design the least worse but it looked like the previous issue of 2009 and I don't want a trend. In the end I voted for it anyway. I am very curious to see how it will look like on the coin, for now I still think that the design on the 2012 10 years of euro cash coin is the best joint commemorative.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: eurocoin on July 06, 2015, 11:17:34 AM
Finland is going to issue their coin on 23 July. The coin will have a mintage of 500.000 pieces.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4234/35591580146_e2c34ae0f3_o.jpg)
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on July 07, 2015, 07:21:22 AM
Thanks for the update! Most of the countries have planned their issue in September / October I believe. I think it's better to get the entire set together instead of getting one/two coins together (if you are non EU collector). ;) Will we also see a Greek version of the same? ::)

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on July 29, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
NBS approves the release of commemorative coin

29. Jul 2015 at 6:24

THE COUNCIL of the National Bank of Slovakia (NBS), the country’s central bank, approved the planned commission of commemorative €2-coins to mark the 30th anniversary of the European Union’s flag.

One million of the coins will be produced in the state-run Kremnica Mint (Banskα Bystrica Region), the TASR newswire reported.

The coin will have the same technical parameters as an ordinary €2-coin, and it will serve as a legally valid means of payment in Slovakia and the rest of the eurozone.

The commemorative coin, with the same motif designed by Greek artist George Stamatopoulos, will be released in all the eurozone countries, TASR reported.

Source: Spectator (http://spectator.sme.sk/c/20058785/index.php/c/20059113/nbs-approves-the-release-of-commemorative-coin.html)
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 12, 2015, 05:19:33 PM
Mintage figures as reported by some dealers:

Finland: 489,000;
The Netherlands: 988,000;
Spain: 4,000,000;
France: 4,001,000;
Belgium: 400,000;
Germany: 30,000,000 (A + D + F + G + J);
Estonia: 350,000;
Greece: 748,500;
Ireland: 999,000;
Italy: 1,000,000;
Latvia: 1,010,000;
Lithuania: 750,000;
Luxembourg: 507,500;
Malta: 300,000;
Austria: Not known yet;
Portugal: 510,000;
Slovakia: 1,000,000;
Slovenia: 1,000,000;
Cyprus: 342,000.

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Figleaf on August 12, 2015, 07:46:34 PM
If the figures are largely correct, you are in luck if you live in a member state with a population of less than 3 million or Germany. Italians and Belgians are least likely to find a specimen in circulation. The figure in the total line in the column ratio is an average.

Peter

member-statepopulationmintageratio
Luxembourg549 680507 5000.923
Malta425 384300 0000.705
Latvia2 001 4681 010 0000.505
Slovenia2 061 0851 000 0000.485
Cyprus858 000342 0000.399
Germany80 767 46330 000 0000.371
Estonia1 315 819350 0000.266
Lithuania2 943 472750 0000.255
Ireland4 605 501999 0000.217
Slovakia5 415 9491 000 0000.185
Finland5 451 270489 0000.090
Spain46 512 1994 000 0000.086
Greece10 903 704748 5000.069
France65 835 5794 010 0000.061
Netherlands16 829 289988 0000.059
Portugal10 427 301510 0000.049
Belgium11 203 992400 0000.036
Italy60 782 6681 000 0000.016
Austria8 506 889
total337 396 71248 404 0000.265
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 13, 2015, 06:00:25 AM
Interesting analysis, Peter! Many thanks for that! :)

The top two entries in the table (Luxembourg and Malta) do not issue the rolls of €2 commemorative coins for face value (they add VAT to it) and I'm not sure if they put commemorative €2 coins into circulation at-all. So in that case, it's extremely unlikely that you will find issues from these two countries in circulation...

I just noticed that I made a mistake in mentioning mintage for French issue. It's 4,010,000 (forgot one zero ;)). Now the ratio for the French issue becomes 0.06, still too small. Amended the post accordingly.

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Pabitra on August 13, 2015, 07:00:45 AM
Not true for Luxembourg at least.
The VAT is charged only for international orders.
In local market, one does get commem coins in circulation, may be not that common but certainly more common than countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, UAE etc.
Note : all from first hand experience.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 13, 2015, 09:46:58 AM
Not true for Luxembourg at least.
The VAT is charged only for international orders.
In local market, one does get commem coins in circulation, may be not that common but certainly more common than countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, UAE etc.
Note : all from first hand experience.

Do you mean, when in Luxembourg, you can visit the central bank (or any other authorized distributor bank) and get a roll (€2 commemorative) for face value i.e. €50? The press releases by central bank always mention price including VAT, that's why I thought so...

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Figleaf on August 13, 2015, 09:54:38 AM
According to EU law, VAT is charged on all domestic sales. However, the VAT on coins changing hands at face is 0%. I got rolls of circulation (non-commemorative) coins at a bank in Luxembourg, but it was just what they happened to have in stock. A roll sold at an agio over face should attract VAT, even if it contains current coins, but not everyone is aware of that.

No idea how the commemoratives are distributed. Some member-states will distribute them in apparently recognisable rolls, others in non-recognisable rolls, others still will mix them with older coins, so getting a roll does not guarantee anything and people who don't care would put them into circulation.

Peter
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 23, 2015, 08:32:42 AM
Mintage of Belgian issue will be 400,000 only. Updated my earlier post accordingly.

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 23, 2015, 09:25:59 AM
Looking again at Peter's summary, it appears that the 2015 series will be perhaps the hardest series (in terms of numbers, not availability with dealers) among all similar series (2007, 2009 and 2012) issued since introduction of euro. Countries like Portugal, Italy, Malta etc. will be issuing two other €2 commemorative coins (apart from the flag issue) so three in total...busy year ahead! ::)

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 28, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
Tentative issue dates:

Belgium: November 2015;
Germany: November 05, 2015;
Estonia: Not decided yet;
Finland: Issued!;
France: November 16, 2015;
Greece: Not decided yet;
Ireland: October 2015;
Italy: November 2015;
Latvia: November 2015;
Lithuania: November 2015;
Luxembourg: Not decided yet;
Malta: Not decided yet;
The Netherlands: OCtober 2015;
Austria: November 2015;
Portugal: November 2015;
Slovakia: September 2015;
Slovenia: Not decided yet;
Spain: October 2015;
Cyprus: Not decided yet.

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: eurocoin on August 28, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Germany: 5 November 2015
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on August 28, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Thanks! Updated my previous post. :)

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on October 22, 2015, 01:55:25 PM
Just noticed that the Dutch mint will again issue three different 'colored' versions of the 'European Flag' commemorative. Go to bottom of Dutch Mint's website:

http://www.knm.nl/europesevlag#

Where they have listed the set of four coins (three colored + one normal) of proof quality for €99 'only'. There also will be a BU version of one of the colored coin.

The images provided by KNM are not of great quality. I'll post them here once we have better images.(I have seen them on eBay, waiting for confirmation by KNM).

Aditya

Edit: Dutch version of 'European Flag' issue (regular ones) was issued yesterday.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on October 22, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Aah, found a better photo! ;)

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 03, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
Tentative issue dates:

Belgium: November 2015;
Germany: November 05, 2015;
Estonia: Not decided yet;
Finland: Issued!;
France: November 16, 2015;
Greece: Not decided yet;
Ireland: October 2015;
Italy: November 2015;
Latvia: November 2015;
Lithuania: November 2015;
Luxembourg: Not decided yet;
Malta: Not decided yet;
The Netherlands: OCtober 2015;
Austria: November 2015;
Portugal: November 2015;
Slovakia: September 2015;
Slovenia: Not decided yet;
Spain: October 2015;
Cyprus: Not decided yet.

Usually I hate quoting my own post ;D; but can someone confirm if all the countries have issued their respective 'EU Flag' commemorative? I don't think so, Greece hasn't issued yet if I am not wrong?

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Figleaf on December 03, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
Haven't seen a single one in circulation yet and was in Lithuania, Spain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg recently.

Peter
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Globetrotter on December 03, 2015, 09:41:39 PM
Hi,

here are the 5 I found in rue Vivienne the other day :-X Normally I get all my commemoratives from my local newspaper shop, from my baker in Normandy and from the secretary in the golf club, so I have a steady incoming flow of nice coins like that. I even got a 50 cents from the Vatican this way ;D People simply don't know what they have in their pockets 8)

Ole
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 04, 2015, 07:55:03 AM
Hi,

here are the 5 I found in rue Vivienne the other day :-X Normally I get all my commemoratives from my local newspaper shop, from my baker in Normandy and from the secretary in the golf club, so I have a steady incoming flow of nice coins like that. I even got a 50 cents from the Vatican this way ;D People simply don't know what they have in their pockets 8)

That's cool! 8) Which are those 5 countries?

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Globetrotter on December 04, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
Austria, Ireland, Finland, Latvia, Lithunia...

Ole
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 04, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Austria, Ireland, Finland, Latvia, Lithunia...

I think Irish and Lithuania are good catches, Irish coins do not start circulating outside Ireland so soon after they are issued and Lithuanian version has small mintage...Congrats!

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Globetrotter on December 04, 2015, 09:02:38 AM
Hi,

you have to know, that rue Vivienne is a "specialized" street next to the French bourse (stock exchange), where you find at least 8 coin shops, and I fell for the temptation to BUY those coins. Peter knows this, so he didn't think, that I got them out of the circulation....

On the other hand, both the French and both the Italian 2015 commemorative coins came to me through my "normal" sources!

Ole
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Rasmus on December 10, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
Estonian version issued today. Spent sometime in Estonian Bank and got my share of mintage :)
Purchase limit was 5 rolls and 5 cards per customer.

Press release is here: http://www.eestipank.ee/en/press/two-euro-coins-commemorative-design-enter-circulation-08122015

Can somebody explain this sentence from press release?

It should be noted that for technical reasons the height of the letters and symbols in the edge text is slightly smaller than on the earlier two-euro circulation coins.

Rasmus
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: eurocoin on December 10, 2015, 06:42:50 PM
On the edge of Estonian 2 euro coins, the following is being minted:

(http://api.ning.com/files/qLNeX-GdiJ-doq-vhjeTkrh5lGcMEi3UiG34OqKGRm5A3a5k3WyBObydKVbgwaPd6fza98qjrckJWij8RJ8gmr4JUaq0njru/estonia2euro.jpg?width=600)

These letters are now slightly smaller.
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Rasmus on December 12, 2015, 09:57:48 AM
Indeed, this is comparaison with 2011 2 euro coin
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: augsburger on December 12, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
All the companies are doing it, making the amount of chocolate go down, making the amount of this that or the other go down to save money, the Estonians are reducing the amount of E they give you when you get a coin, party poopers.
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 12, 2015, 11:10:06 AM
Indeed, this is comparaison with 2011 2 euro coin

Excellent scan, thanks for posting it! Helps in comparing... :)

I just hope they don't issue some 10,000 odd coins with 'normal' height of edge letters 'by mistake'.... ;)

Aditya
Title: Re: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Rasmus on December 12, 2015, 11:23:56 AM
Think, it depends what mint is manufacturing coins.
2011 was from Finnish Mint and 2015 is from Lithuanian Mint

When looking this year 1,2 cents from Lithuanian Mint, there is bigger stars comparing 2011 ones

Rasmus
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 15, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
The Greek version will be issued on next Wednesday (December 23). I think that completes the entire set?

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on December 27, 2015, 07:07:00 AM
All the countries have issued the 'EU Flag' coins now. :) Here's the order in which they were issued (corrections welcome!):

CountryIssue Date
Finland06.08.2015
Slovakia24.09.2015
Ireland16.10.2015
Netherlands19.10.2015
Austria30.10.2015
Latvia03.11.2015
Germany05.11.2015
France16.11.2015
Belgium18.11.2015
Lithuania17.11.2015
Portugal30.11.2015
Estonia10.12.2015
Italy18.12.2015
Malta18.12.2015
Cyprus18.12.2015
Greece23.12.2015

Aditya
Title: 2015: Common "European Flag" €2 Issue
Post by: Bimat on February 25, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Just received the complete set of 23 coins with the help of a good friend! :) Although my opinion about the selected design is not a very good one ;), it's still a very nice feeling to have the set! (That also reminds me that I need to get the 2 x 2 self adhesive holders IMMEDIATELY!!!)

Aditya