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Collecting coins => Fantasies, fakes and imitations => Topic started by: andyg on August 10, 2014, 01:35:35 AM

Title: Greek?
Post by: andyg on August 10, 2014, 01:35:35 AM
Any ideas what this is supposed to be?
It's presumably a copy, albeit a good one as I can't see any casting flaws or seams etc.

15.5g, quite large 32mm
Title: Re: Greek?
Post by: Arminius on August 10, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Yes for the model.

I think itīs a modern bronze imitation/repro of this silver tetradrachm from Alabanda in Caria:


CARIA. Alabanda, ca. 165 B.C.
AR Tetradrachm.
Av.: Laureate head of Apollo right.
Rev.: AΛABANΔEΩN , Pegasos springing right; below, B. 16.75 grams.
ref.: SNG Keckman -. N. Waggoner, "A new wrinkle in the Hellenistic coinage of Antioch/Alabanda," KME pl. LXVI, 13. Boehringer p. 188, 10.

If the letters A and B of this rare coinage of Alabanda are meant to be dates, it then could be an aera starting in 167 B.C., year in which the Roman senate declared Freedom for Caria. Why the minting stopped after just two years, has still to be established. Before the 1972 hoard from Kirikhan (see Coin Hoards I [1975], 26, 87A), these issues from Alabanda were of the greatest rarity.

Title: Re: Greek?
Post by: andyg on August 10, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
Thanks :)
Another mystery cleared up.
Title: Re: Greek?
Post by: malj1 on August 10, 2014, 01:38:36 PM
Not quite!  ::)

Now we have to decide who made the replica. It is not one I have come across before.

We do have some threads on similar items; see Collection NORMATENSYL (,23288.msg155847.html) and Westair repros (,882.msg3817.html)
Title: Re: Greek?
Post by: andyg on August 10, 2014, 02:26:54 PM
Don't think we will - it's not stamped or marked. :(
Title: Re: Greek?
Post by: Figleaf on August 10, 2014, 10:57:26 PM
Since the coin used to be so utterly rare, maybe this is a museum copy: a copy of a coin in the museum, made for courses and visiting schoolchildren.

That would make it different from the Westair (souvenirs) and Normatensyl (advertising) series, but still not meant to deceive.