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Modern European coins except the euro => Central and Eastern Europe => Central Europe => Topic started by: natko on March 02, 2014, 11:03:45 AM

Title: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: natko on March 02, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Not only they have not been discontinued, they have been redesigned now.

http://www.nbp.gov.pl/homen.aspx?f=/en/banknoty/monety.htm#e2014

Which could mean we can expect new 10,20 and 50 groszy to be released later this year, but it's just my speculation of course.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: chrisild on March 02, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
Thanks for the info! The NBP has also issued a info sheet in English (PDF) about the new coins:
http://www.nbp.gov.pl/banknoty_i_monety/monety_obiegowe/new_coins_1-5_grosz.pdf

Note the tiny cross next to the eagle's feet (or whatever the lower ends of a bird are called :) )? Apparently the pieces have been minted in Llantrisant ...

Christian
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: <k> on March 02, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
The old coins were in "steel bronze".  The new coins are made of brass-plated steel. Otherwise the edge, size and weight are the same - except that the new 5 grosz is 19.48mm in diameter, compared to 19.5mm for the old - a minuscule difference.

Below you can see the old and new designs.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: chrisild on March 02, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
Not much of a difference, design wise. :)  But I still wonder why these have been minted in the UK. After all, the mint in Warsaw makes coins for many other countries as well. Is it less expensive to have these (low denomination) coins produced in Wales, and then ship them to Poland?

Christian
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: Prosit on March 02, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
Letter facing in or letters facing out...not sure I have a preference but it looks pretty good...all of them.

Dale
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: augsburger on March 02, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Maybe more Polish people work at the Welsh mint than the Warsaw mint.  ;D
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: chrisild on March 02, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
Yes, may well be so. ;)  Judging from those images, by the way, it seems that the five leaves (on the 5 gr coin) have become two only. Then again, I looked at the "old design" piece I have, and with that the five are hard to keep apart anyway ...

Christian
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: Pabitra on March 02, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
But I still wonder why these have been minted in the UK. After all, the mint in Warsaw makes coins for many other countries as well.
Christian

Perhaps, Warsaw mint does not have know how to make plated steel blanks.
In addition, due reasons of packing and unpacking, Royal mint may perhaps have quoted same price for blanks and struck coins.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: <k> on March 02, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
I did read, not many years ago, that the Royal Mint had upgraded its electro-plating facilities.

Strange that the Polish website described the earlier coins as being "steel bronze". Numista.com lists them as "manganic brass", but when I Google that, manganese bronze comes up instead.

As for the designs, yes, they have merely been amended rather than changed, but they are rather timid and old-fashioned designs, IMO.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: chrisild on March 02, 2014, 10:39:57 PM
Well, I poked around in various forums, and came across this:
http://nbp.pl/home.aspx?f=/aktualnosci/wiadomosci_2013/2013_10_31_komunikat.html

Seems there was a semi-open tender. The central bank (NBP) "invited four mints that submitted offers":
* Royal Mint (UK), 54 035 230 zł (coins from steel coated with a single layer);
* Mint of Finland (FI), 55 114 130 zł (coins from steel coated with two layers);
* Mint of Poland (PL), 61 355 870 zł (coins from steel coated with two layers), and 64 999 900 zł (coins from steel coated with a single layer);
* Royal Canadian Mint (CA), 99 830 000 zł (coins from steel coated with a single layer).

Unfortunately that information is not available in English (as far as I can tell). So either you understand Polish, or you try a translation tool. Guess how I got the info above ;)

Christian
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: Pabitra on March 03, 2014, 06:05:43 AM
Poland mint quoted lower for two layer as compared to single layer plated coins.
I always thought, putting second layer was additional work and hence added to the cost.
Can some one explain the reasons?
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: Pabitra on May 06, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
Apparently the announcement by NBP was premature.
I Grosze of 2014 still remains with old design on obverse, perhaps minted at Warsaw mint only.


Things do not always move the way we want them to move.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: natko on May 06, 2014, 12:03:36 PM
Interesting. I'll ask my Polish friend he didn't have clue in December.

P.S. It seems that both exist in 2014.

Check out on ebay, for instance item# 151293749567
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation
Post by: Pabitra on June 06, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
I checked up with Polish sources.
No plated coins of 2013 were released.
For 2014, 1 gr is available in both versions.
For 2014, 2 gr is old brass version only.
5, 10, 20 and 50 gr for 2014 are yet to be issued.
For 5 gr, Royal mint will be the source.
For others, nickel plated steel will be issued from Warsaw mint.

1, 2 and 5 Zl are still with old specs.
Please let me know, if any more info is available.

Poland appears to follow many other nations in going in for plated coinage.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: milkshakespeare on March 01, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
The 10, 20 and 50 groszy and 1 zloty coins will be issued in 2017 with the updated obverse too. Material is still copper nickel and not nickel plated steel. Also the 1, 2 and 5 groszy coins will be minted in Poland instead of the UK from now on.

(http://www.nbp.pl/banknoty_i_monety/monety_obiegowe/img/100_2017_A.jpg)
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: MCz on June 02, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
I'm from Poland and can confirm you that new design 1gr, 2gr and 5gr coins were producent by Royal Mint since 2014 however one milion pieces of test coins were produced in 2013. Due to delay of delivery from Royal Mint in beggining 2014 Polish Mint delivered old version of coins. This means that in 2013 and 2014 all 3 coins were produced in both versions.
Since 2017 production of new version is in Polish Mint (it's called "Warsaw Mint" and it's private company since mamy years), also 10gr, 20gr, 50gr and 1zł have been redesigned.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: Figleaf on June 03, 2019, 12:17:08 PM
Hello MCz, welcome to World of Coins and thank you for your first contribution. I hope you'll soon feel at home here.

Peter
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: MCz on June 14, 2019, 07:01:00 PM
I promise to write a little more about polish coins so I'm writing :)
The fact that producing of small nominals is more expensive that their face value is common knowledge since many years. There were a lot of propositions to exclude from circulation 1 and 2 grosze but according the Polish law it should remain. Polish National Bank decided to decrease the cost of production by changing the metal (from steel bronze (MM59) to brass plated steel). Best price for the 3 years contract was offered by Royal Mint, so why this mint produced coins in years 2014-2016. As I wrote before, trial portion delivered in 2014 was with date 2013.
Coins received the redesigned obverse (revers not changed): smaller Eagle, somethinglike circles and of course the Royal Mint mintmark (cross) instead of Polish Mint mintmark (stylised letters: mw). Also the letters looks like were bold.
Cupronickiel & bimmetalic coinswere still produced by Polish Mint in unchanged way.

In 2016 Polish Mint won the next contract for providing coins in next years and production of small coins was back to Poland. What is important, the design changed again: RM mintmark was under the Eagle leg, on rigt side of coin (in the same place was prevoiusly mw mintmark) but on new coins produced in Poland since 2017 mintmark is moved to left side. Also the letters are thinner again.
The mintmark is moved for all nominals, also for cupronickiel. All coins received the common obvers except of bimmetallic 2zł and 5zł which are unchanged since beginning.

Below the link to the all circulation coin designs:
https://www.nbp.pl/homen.aspx?f=/en/banknoty/monety.htm

Second link to the mintage figures (only in Polish but it's table with figures - ease to comprendre... page updated at the beggining of each year for the numbers for prevoius year):
https://www.nbp.pl/home.aspx?f=/banknoty_i_monety/monety_obiegowe/naklady_emisji.html

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Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: eurocoin on June 14, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
Interesting read! I had forgotten that the Royal Mint also did Polish coins a few years ago. If I am not mistaking it is quite unusual for the Royal Mint to use its cross mintmark on foreign coins.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: MCz on June 14, 2019, 09:09:44 PM
Interesting read! I had forgotten that the Royal Mint also did Polish coins a few years ago. If I am not mistaking it is quite unusual for the Royal Mint to use its cross mintmark on foreign coins.

Yes, when I wrote my prevoius post, I wanted to check if this is cross or something other as polish coins produced by RM are very small and this is not well visible without magnifier... but it was not so easy to find coins with this cross mintmark.


ps. eurocoin - I like your posts in UK section (Spain&Portugal for Gibraltar too). I collect coins with QE2 from whole world and usually you are the first who inform about the new releases so I can build my Excel catalogue with QE2 coins without worry that I missed something from UK & teritories.
Title: Re: Poland: New 1,2 and 5 grosz have been put into circulation 2014
Post by: eurocoin on June 15, 2019, 08:36:54 AM
Yes, when I wrote my prevoius post, I wanted to check if this is cross or something other as polish coins produced by RM are very small and this is not well visible without magnifier... but it was not so easy to find coins with this cross mintmark.


ps. eurocoin - I like your posts in UK section (Spain&Portugal for Gibraltar too). I collect coins with QE2 from whole world and usually you are the first who inform about the new releases so I can build my Excel catalogue with QE2 coins without worry that I missed something from UK & teritories.

Thank you for your kind words  :) I am glad that my efforts are being appreciated, at least by some forum members. Unfortunately governments, mints and coin dealers increasingly start to hinder me in my work to get the latest news about planned coin issues first.