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Title: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on November 09, 2013, 09:08:42 AM
O: .FELIX STEENBAKKERS./ 10 RUE FRANKLIN / LA MADELEINE (NORD)
R: APPAREILS / ET / PIANOS / AUTOMATIQUES
30mm
7.26g
Medal aligned.
Zinc like?
 
Have found diddly about this on t'internet   ???
Your help ladies and gentlemen please  ;D
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on November 14, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
I have another AUTOMATIC PIANO / 32 RUE DES ARCHIVES PARIS same both sides. Zinc, 30.2mm
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: Figleaf on November 14, 2013, 03:08:18 PM
These may be advertising tokens of pianola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_piano) sellers. I think they are too different to be of the same seller.

Peter
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on November 14, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
These tokens are the size of the French 10 centimes or British penny and were probably used to operate coin-operated automatic pianos, popular from the 1890's through to the early part of the 20th century.

Google finds several of these pianos but unfortunately only American ones, eBay also shows several.

A US patent (http://www.google.com/patents/US1071640).

quote...
 ()ur invention relates to automatic pianos, and 'nu-tiirulnrly the kind that can he made to nutoimuicnlly play any one of a repermire of musical compositions, by depositinc n coin in one of several-slots.

One of the objects of our invention is to provide menus wherchy the piano c-.m be nnulc to play the composition desired by merely depositing" the coin in the slot designation the title of such composition and dis.......
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on November 20, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
Here's yours Malcolm under AUTOMATIC PIANO PARIS ;D

http://home.scarlet.be/lieveverbeeck/autres_marques_francaises_p.htm
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on November 20, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Yes, that should have been PNEUMA but I was forced off my machine!  Same thing really.
The correct link is here http://home.scarlet.be/lieveverbeeck/autres_marques_francaises_a.htm for AUTOMATIC PIANO ::)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on November 20, 2013, 09:44:05 PM
That's it, even down to the image of the token. So the Brand is 'Automatic Piano' and a Sub-brand PNEUMA.

Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on November 20, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
O: .FELIX STEENBAKKERS./ 10 RUE FRANKLIN / LA MADELEINE (NORD)
R: APPAREILS / ET / PIANOS / AUTOMATIQUES


And here is the entry for STEENBAKKERS (http://home.scarlet.be/lieveverbeeck/autres_marques_francaises_s.htm):

Pianos automatiques vers 1926 La Madeleine (Nord)

Tribunal civil : Steenbakkers contre Damelincourt en 1925, dans Recueil périodique des assurances : revue mensuelle : doctrine, jurisprudence, législation des assurances terrestres et maritimes, 1926, p. 133-135
   
Seems there was a court case (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k56819143/f148.image) but I was unable to read it.
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: Figleaf on November 20, 2013, 11:41:42 PM
Not a complete text and not very interesting.

The case is about a fire in a building belonging to Damelincourt that destroyed three automatic pianos he had rented from Steenbakkers. Damelincourt refuses to pay for the piano because he says he didn't start the fire. The court says he's responsible under the law and didn't prove he was covered by any of the exceptions enumerated by the law. Text stops there.

Peter
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on November 21, 2013, 06:38:22 AM
And here is the entry for STEENBAKKERS (http://home.scarlet.be/lieveverbeeck/autres_marques_francaises_s.htm):

Pianos automatiques vers 1926 La Madeleine (Nord)


Yes, I contacted him with the details of the token ;D
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on February 10, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Did you get any response?  ::)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on February 10, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Yes, really nice chap  8)
Response posted above...... No! I forgot   :-[
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: capnbirdseye on February 10, 2014, 12:57:42 PM
Reminds me of an amusing incident in my teens  ;D back then I started work for a firm of Shopfitters & we were refitting out an old shop which had a pianola which is also an autoplaying piano, you sat on the stool & worked the two pedals & the piano began to play via a perforated paper roll inside the cabinet, the correct keys also went up & down as it played.
We pushed it up to the door & I started to work the pedals & give the impression I was pressing the keys & before long a crowd had gathered watching the 'amazing' piano player ;D
 I presume there was a flywheel inside because when you stopped working the pedals it carried on for about 1/2 a minute so you can imagine the looks on their faces when I stood up & walked away & the music carried on  :D :D
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on February 10, 2014, 09:22:32 PM
 ;D

Someone should have taken your hat round first!  ;)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on July 05, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
I have another AUTOMATIC PIANO / 32 RUE DES ARCHIVES PARIS same both sides. Zinc, 30.2mm

Jetons D'Audition has a small section on this topic pp141-149, Jetons de pianos mecaniques.
This is Paris 1.2
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on July 05, 2014, 09:13:33 PM
O: .FELIX STEENBAKKERS./ 10 / RUE / FRANKLIN / LA MADELEINE (NORD)
R: APPAREILS / ET / PIANOS / AUTOMATIQUES
Zinc

Listed under PROVINCE / LA MADELEINE (59) 8. JDA ACJM
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on July 06, 2014, 12:55:36 AM
Do we know what is meant by the 8. JDA ACJM  ???
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on July 06, 2014, 05:39:41 AM
Jetons d'Audition France & Colonies (édition 2004) ASSOCIATION COLLECTIONNEURS de JETONS MONNAIE
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on August 10, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
Jetons D'Audition has a small section on this topic pp141-149, Jetons de pianos mecaniques.
This is Paris 1.2

And this is Paris 1.1
* AUTOMATIC * / PIANO / 32 / RUE DES / ARCHIVES / PARIS
No distinguishable makers mark in the diamond below PARIS :(
Coin aligned
Consimilar
Brass
9.31g
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on August 10, 2014, 11:55:04 PM
And this is Paris 1.1
* AUTOMATIC * / PIANO / 32 / RUE DES / ARCHIVES / PARIS
No distinguishable makers mark in the diamond below PARIS :(
Coin aligned
Consimilar
Brass
9.31g

This is the same as my zinc piece in reply # 1

(https://sites.google.com/site/malsotherprojects/_/rsrc/1408193668098/piano/Epa4746.jpg?height=110&width=200)

This is a close-up of the makers mark from the zinc piece, i imagine the brass piece would also have this same maker. CHJ  ???
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on August 11, 2014, 06:14:31 AM
Looks like CNJ?  Couldn't find anything :-[
We should have a makers mark thread similar to that on the French government site.
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2014, 01:10:52 AM
All the links given above have died.

I managed to track down the site to Pianos (http://www.lieveverbeeck.eu/index.htm)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
Looks like CNJ?  Couldn't find anything :-[
We should have a makers mark thread similar to that on the French government site.

I noticed the maker CH.Jourde Paris in Jetons d'Audition France & Colonies [see Paris  # 30.3.3]
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on August 17, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
Yes you're right ;D
See here (http://www.ebay.fr/itm/3-diff-jetons-en-Alu-de-Ch-Jourde-Paris-/201102572848?pt=Fr_GW_Monnaie_&hash=item2ed2a5bd30) for some other samples of his work and here (http://www.delcampe.fr/page/item/id,139284069,var,jeton-en-laiton-quot;-K-et-Wquot;entrelaceacute;es-avers-quot;Kermesse--Wagram-ChJourdegraveur-revers-47-Avenue-de-Wagram-Paris,language,F.html).
Even the best get it wrong here (http://www.cgb.fr/casinos-et-jeux-kermesse-wagram,fjt_276474,a.html).  On the same site are shown a number of tramway tokens - Charles Jourde.  Makers mark CHJ in a diamond.
And a different piece here (http://www.cgb.fr/maison-bernot-freres-3-francs-20,fnc_243033,a.html)

Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Confirmation too from this page (http://www.cgb.fr/compagnie-generale-francaise-de-tramways-20-centimes,fnc_257562,a.html)

Quote:
"le poinçon en forme de losange du graveur avec ses initiales “CHJ” (pour Charles Jourde)."

Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on October 24, 2014, 07:56:45 AM
My latest acquisition:

(https://sites.google.com/site/malsotherprojects/_/rsrc/1414061565116/piano/Epa8195.jpg?height=200&width=200)

Pianos Automatiques Proust&Tarteng Rue de L'Entrepot 32 Paris / Same both sides Zinc 30.3mm
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on October 29, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
Very nice  8)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on October 29, 2014, 10:16:36 AM
"PROUST et TARTENG, 32, r. de l'Entrepôt. Paris, 10°. T. Nord 44-42.

French manufacturer of automatic pianos, with interchangeable cylinders. Repairs.

Source (http://www.lieveverbeeck.eu/Pianos_francais_p.htm)
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on March 30, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Finally the new ISP is operationalish
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: malj1 on March 30, 2018, 11:06:26 PM
Hooray   :applause:

...and your first token is a cracker, I love it.  ;D

It's the second type from La Baule, # 1.2

A : LES ETABLISls / GUILBAUD / FRERES / LA BAULE (L.Inf)
R : PIANOS IAUTOMATIQUES / ORCHESTRIONS / ELECTRIQUES
Title: Re: Automatic Piano
Post by: redwine on March 31, 2018, 12:08:31 PM
Thanks Mal, it's a beauty 8)