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Other tokens and medals => Not used for payments => Topic started by: redwine on September 10, 2013, 11:33:08 AM

Title: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 10, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
These pieces have caused chaos over the years  ::)
Apparently they were part of an advertising campaign in 1971-1972 by the Theraplix Laboratory.
As a treatment for, wait for it, hypertension!
Yes, I'm missing one  :'(
I've had to bodge the reverse as the support gets in the way of the text ;D

From left to right:
SICLE DE TYR, BESANT D'ARGENT DE BOHEMOND VII, REAL D'ESPAGNE, MONNAIE D'ATHENES

TETRADRACHME DE NERON, DIRHAM D'ARGENT DE BAGDAD, PENNY DE LA PAIX, DRACHME D'ALEXANDRE LE GRAND
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on September 10, 2013, 11:52:45 AM
Rogers lists an English language version of these stating they were made for an advertising campaign about 1965. They were produced for Nicholas laboratories and were sent to GP's as part of a promotion for a new antacid called Polycrol.

He only illustrates two pieces the BESANT D'ARGENT DE BOHEMOND VII and DIRHAM D'ARGENT DE BAGDAD

He also mentions there was a report of one of these replicas exhibited as a genuine example in a local museum: Daily Telegraph 2nd Nov. 1971

Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 10, 2013, 12:03:58 PM
Many thanks Malcolm! 8)
Another thing to look out for  ;D
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on September 10, 2013, 12:21:56 PM
Alfred Nicholas, the owner of Nicholas laboratories had a little place :P just a mile or so from me here. He made a fortune in WW1 when the supply of aspirin from Germany dried up;  ::) he began producing aspirin under the trade name Aspro.  8)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 10, 2013, 02:20:44 PM
The boy done good 8)
The Rogers collection is here
http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opac/search/cataloguesummary.html?_searchstring_=%28maker=%27Nicholas%20Laboratories%27%29&_limit_=50&_function_=xslt&_resultstylesheet_=imagecs
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 12, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
Look what I found!
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350872724176
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on September 12, 2013, 03:05:10 PM
Presumably the same as your PENNY DE LA PAIX reproduction. I can't view your images in the card well enough to compare while the eBay image is bad enough to sell as a genuine coin as the two bidders [so far] will be expecting.

From the Fitzwilliam Museum coll. (http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opac/search/cataloguedetail.html?&priref=158838&_function_=xslt&_limit_=50)
William II (1087-1100) struck in the name of (ruler) Nicholas Laboratories (issuer) modern reproduction. given: Withers, Paul 2003-11-25 From the estate of Dr David J. de Sola Rogers (1946-99).
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 12, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
I believe it is a Normatensyl piece but I would prefer a hammered expert took a gander.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Arminius on September 12, 2013, 11:18:29 PM
This one looks like the Nero tetradrachm:

(http://www.arminius-numismatics.com/coppermine1414/cpg1414/albums/userpics/10001/ImNerAnT.jpg)

Antiochia in Syria, Nero, modern imitation,
"Tetradrachm" (22-23 mm / 8,54 g),
Obv.: ΝΕΡΩM ΚΑΙΣΑΡ - [ΣΕ]ΒΑΣ[ΤΟΣ] , laureate bust of Nero right, wearing aegis.
Rev.: ΕΤΟΥΣ - BIP•I (dated Caesarean era year 112 - and regnal year 10 ) , eagle standing r. on thunderbolt, wings spread, to r., dot and palm branch.
cf. RPC 4189 ; cf. Wruck 47 .

casting seam on the edge, casting bubbles, wrong letter ( M in NEPΩN ), fake patina, wrong weight

 ???
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on September 12, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
The Nero tetradrachm is listed in Rogers # 1320 but unfortunately no further details given there, nor image. However It does appear most likely to be from the Nicholas Products set.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Arminius on September 12, 2013, 11:55:53 PM
Thanks for the confirmation Malcolm, so my old eyes are to a certain extend still reliable.

These casts may differ slightly (as all experts know).

Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:28:07 AM
I've prized them all out of the holder  :-\

BESANT D'ARGENT DE BOHEMOND VII 4.01g / 24.5mm
(I have two of these  8), the other one weighs the same)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:28:45 AM
REAL D'ESPAGNE 4.36g / 25mm
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:29:22 AM
MONNAIE D'ATHENES 9.49g / 19-23mm
Coin No.5 in the Nicholas Laboratories set.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:29:58 AM
TETRADRACHME DE NERON 6.88g / 23mm
With definite seam.  But no playboy bunny on the neck like Arminius'
And lighter, perhaps to save postage  ::)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:32:50 AM
DIRHAM D'ARGENT DE BAGDAD 4.92g / 24mm
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
PENNY DE LA PAIX 3.11g / 18mm
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 06:33:59 AM
DRACHME D'ALEXANDRE LE GRAND 3.93g / 16mm
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on September 13, 2013, 12:28:59 PM
Although it does have the wrong letter ( M in NEPΩN ).
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 12:37:33 PM
Indeed, virtually the same but probably different metal.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 12:41:15 PM
I believe it is a Normatensyl piece but I would prefer a hammered expert took a gander.

I've let the seller know................
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 13, 2013, 07:19:46 PM
I've let the seller know................

Ignored.  :o  Evidently, he was aware what he was selling.
The piece sold for 33,53 EUR  ::)
Ebay strikes again.....................
I wont be buying from JEAN.JACQUES AKERMAN, 19 rue des myosotis, 33510 ANDERNOS LES BAINS, Aquitaine aka toscane33510
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Figleaf on September 13, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
Noted. From now on, he's caveat emptor. Thank you.

Peter
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on September 23, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
Here's the original mailshot sent to Doctor's in the UK for Nicholas Labs (November 1965.)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Figleaf on December 03, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
None of the four is silver. The Jewish coin is marked 19…19. The Spanish coin has a garbled legend. They came in a very large lot. Great educational value.

Peter
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: andyg on December 03, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
I might be able to see one here;
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,23288.0.html (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,23288.0.html)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Figleaf on December 03, 2013, 08:14:35 PM
Three even! Thank you, andyg.

Peter
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on December 03, 2013, 11:10:17 PM
Here is the information given by Rogers in Toy Coins, this refers to the Nicholas Product POLYCROL but the French variety for NORMATENSYL appears to be the same.

Section 77 a.  Drug company advertising replicas
These were made about 1965 for an advertising campaign. They were produced for Nicholas Laboratories and were sent to General Practitioners as part of the promotion of a new antacid called Polycrol. Each replica was accompanied by literature which ran:
"If you had been court physcian to William the Conqueror (Haroun al Raschid, Nero, etc.)......"
and each was in a pocket that was labelled "Exact replica of..." They are not exact enough to deceive anyone who knew the metal and feel of the original issues, but they did appear regularly in the hands of people who thought that they were genuine and were occasionally even exhibited in small museums. The design had not been altered like the Wembly pennies, section 57. The finish is now only superficially similar to the original metal but may have been more convincing initially. However the weight and the thickness should have been identifiably wrong. These features cannot be illustrated in a catalogue and may explain why unmarked replicas confuse the inexperienced. [Wledig and Teasdale] There are anecdotal reports of some of these being sold at auction, or by dealers, which I cannot confirm. They are direct copies and have no mark to indicate that they are replicas. If the marked replicas can be confused, it is possible these unmarked pieces may have been mistaken as genuine.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Figleaf on December 03, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
Rogers is quite right. They are obvious fakes as long as you have handled similar real silver coins. The colour is wrong and they look wrong even before you touch them. I can imagine laymen getting confused over them, but then again, I once took a pretty brilliant Mercurey for a Haut Médoc and nobody laughed. ;)

Peter
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on December 06, 2013, 01:54:23 AM
See the reference [Wledig and Teasdale]  ...the name BTW should be Teasdill. SCMB August 1968

(http://web.archive.org/web/20151111111742/http://imagizer.imageshack.us/img46/8961/ws4r.jpg)

This is the original article. The replica doubloons from Scarborough are also shown below along with the other coins mentioned in the footnote.

Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on December 06, 2013, 02:16:33 AM
In the footnote to the article above , mention is made of the False Carlisle Shilling in SCMB for April 1968.

See below images.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on February 09, 2014, 01:42:01 PM
Here's the missing piece!  Snaffled today  8)
27mm
6.24g
Medal aligned
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on February 09, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
These pieces have caused chaos over the years  ::)
Apparently they were part of an advertising campaign in 1971-1972 by the Theraplix Laboratory.
As a treatment for, wait for it, hypertension!
Yes, I'm missing one  :'(

Well done!  ;D

It had to turn up eventually and your hypertension is now eased.  >:D what a relief!
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: Figleaf on February 10, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
Congratulations, Redwine. Fun series.

Peter
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on February 10, 2014, 06:58:45 AM
Many thanks guys  ;D
And that piece cost me all of 50 centimes!! 8)
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on February 01, 2015, 01:17:43 PM
PENNY DE LA PAIX 3.11g / 18mm

I've got another one, slightly bigger :o
 4g
19.3mm
1.42mm thick
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: malj1 on February 01, 2015, 11:46:31 PM
I would have expected the same size and weight.

It would be interesting to know how these copies were made.
Title: Re: Collection NORMATENSYL
Post by: redwine on February 02, 2015, 11:27:47 AM
Me too.  Especially as they were meant to fit in the card. :-\
And indeed.......