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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Mughal central government => Topic started by: Abhay on July 22, 2013, 02:10:25 PM

Title: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 22, 2013, 02:10:25 PM
Akbar issued the heaviest copper coins of India, each weighing about 39 - 41 grams.

These coins were called TANKA or 2 Dam.

These are very rare coins and hardly seen these days.

I am lucky to have 10 such coins.

I will be uploading them for the benefit of the recent research on the Akbar Copper coins.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 22, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
Coin No. 1

Mint - Ahmadabad
Ilahi - 44
month - Mihr

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 22, 2013, 02:14:05 PM
Coin No. 2

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 4X
Month - Khurdad

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 22, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
Awesome conditions these coins are in.. Normally nowadays we get very worn out pieces.. I'm lucky to handle the bairata coin myself and the condition is better in hand.. Only a small correction the month in Ahmedabad tanks is bahman
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 22, 2013, 10:21:51 PM
Is not coin  one Ilahi month Bahman?
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: asm on July 23, 2013, 03:12:16 AM
Is not coin  one Ilahi month Bahman?
I too ha the same view.......and the date on the second one looks like Ilahi 47.

Amit
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 23, 2013, 05:45:47 AM
That's the disadvantage of not knowing how to read Persian. :'( :'( :'(

I have to depend on the coin dealers for reading of the months and mints. I have made the correction to read the month as Bahman. Thanks for pointing this out.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 23, 2013, 10:09:15 AM
Coin No. 3

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Ardibihisht

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 23, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
Coin No. 4

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Farwardin

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 23, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
Coin No. 5

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Tir

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: asm on July 23, 2013, 11:37:22 AM
Lovely collection Abhay........it is certainly hard now to come across these coins in these grades at some price which is within reach. Gobindpur, Bairata and Ahmedabad can still be found but the others are well near impossible........

Amit
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 23, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Amitji, find me a Ahmedabad Tanka in good grade and we can talk of availability.. Bairata appears in market sometimes.. Gobindpur lesser.. Ahmedabad has become scarce and Dehli and Agra are impossible.. Zubair khan has seen only one Agra in his life and not a single Dehli.. Rakesh Jain has not seen either a Agra or Dehli in their lifetime.. And I'm talking about people who have handled tons of copper coins. That says about the rarity.
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: asm on July 24, 2013, 03:11:07 AM
............ find me a Ahmedabad Tanka in good grade and we can talk of availability..
If you read again, you will see that I have mentioned that the prices now are impossible........ only, the three mint issues (and I have not mentioned about condition) can still be encountered.........

Amit
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 24, 2013, 04:54:56 AM
Out of the 10 coins that I have, I purchased 9 from an Ebay dealer from south (I don't remember his name now), some 5 year back @ 1900 each. The deal was done outside Ebay, and thus the seller saved on the commission and offered the coins at discounted rates. All the 9 coins are from Bairata mint, with different months.

But after purchasing these coins, even I have rarely seen these Tanka or 2 dams being offered for sale either in Auction Houses or Ebay. I remember that many copper dams were used at the bottom of the heavy copper utensils, just to save the copper utensils from being worn out. It was a very common practice to use brass and copper utensils in India, before stainless steel took over. I still remember going to Kalai Walas (http://www.merinews.com/article/kalai-walas---the-living-heritage/15877369.shtml) for getting the brass utensils polished, with my Grandmother.  Time changes so fast!!!!!

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 24, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
Yes, times do change.. Imagine puting a couple of haridwar dams( worth around say 25,000 rs) under a copper utensils so that the utensil do not wear!!
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 24, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
Coin No. 6

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Mihr

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 24, 2013, 10:44:59 AM
Coin No. 7

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Aban

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 24, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
Coin No. 8

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Amardad

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 24, 2013, 09:04:32 PM
A wow! Awesome coins and I had a tough time looking for a good piece and you have 9-10 pieces of which each is perfect. Great!
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: akona20 on July 25, 2013, 01:46:20 AM
Fantastic collection Abhay.
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 07:08:19 AM
Coin No. 9

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Di

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 07:09:39 AM
And finally, Coin No. 10

Mint - Bairata
Ilahi - 44
Month - Azar

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Manzikert on July 26, 2013, 11:01:36 PM
I attach my only example of a tanka, in rather poor condition.

Could anyone confirm my readings of Bairata, Ilahi 45, Ardibisht?

Thank you

Alan
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 26, 2013, 11:24:10 PM
Confirmed! it is ardibisht
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on July 26, 2013, 11:27:39 PM
My example of the tanka. Ilahi 45 Ardibisht mint bairata
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Coinsforever on August 30, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Elegant specimens.

Out of curiosity apart from weight difference in comparison with normal dam , what is diameter of such double dams.

Does One can easily distinguish double dam visually without carrying digital weighing scale.

Another question any suitable coin holders available in market?
Cheers  ;D

Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Abhay on August 30, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
There is a great variation in the Diameter of these dams. the dia can vary from about 25mm to 32mm. But accordingly, the thickness also varies - more thickness for lesser dia coins and vice versa. Please see this thread for more information:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,5638.0.html

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Coinsforever on August 30, 2013, 02:56:54 PM
There is a great variation in the Diameter of these dams. the dia can vary from about 25mm to 32mm. But accordingly, the thickness also varies - more thickness for lesser dia coins and vice versa. Please see this thread for more information:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,5638.0.html



Thanks  link give some idea on dimensions , it is clear that emphasis was given on weight only while  minting & issuing such heavy tanka/double dams.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: abhinumis on August 30, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
Tankas are double the weight of dams.. So one can easily feel the difference. The dimensions vary but generally the flan is 4-5 mm larger than a good flan dam. You can easily feel a tanka
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: Coinsforever on August 31, 2013, 02:30:18 AM
Tankas are double the weight of dams.. So one can easily feel the difference. The dimensions vary but generally the flan is 4-5 mm larger than a good flan dam. You can easily feel a tanka

Thanks , it is excellent explanation much helpful to hunt these double dams.



Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Akbar 2 dam (TANKA) - my collection
Post by: capnbirdseye on February 22, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
That's the disadvantage of not knowing how to read Persian. :'( :'( :'(

I have to depend on the coin dealers for reading of the months and mints. I have made the correction to read the month as Bahman. Thanks for pointing this out.

Abhay


You didn't alter it as it still reads as Mihr  :o