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Collecting coins => Coin collecting => Topic started by: Pabitra on June 21, 2013, 08:00:44 PM

Title: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 21, 2013, 08:00:44 PM
In 2014, the world will see centenary of beginning of the first World War.

There is an active lobby in USA for a commem coin to be issued.

Which countries do you think, will issue any coin on the related subject, next year or next four years?
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Figleaf on June 22, 2013, 12:22:09 PM
If they have any sense, they'll wait until 2018.

My guess: Alderney, Cuba, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey, Marshal Islands, North Korea and Tuvalu.

Peter
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Figleaf on June 22, 2013, 12:24:08 PM
Oops, forgot Ascension and the British Virgin Islands.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 23, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
Jokes apart, this is serious matter. This is what the originator of the proposal has to say

"my name is Rod Gillis and I am the Numismatic Educator at the American Numismatic Association. It was my idea to commemorate the brave soldiers who gave their full measure during the ‘Great War”. To put my idea in reference, I started the process of working towards a commemorative coin a year and a half before Frank Buckles, the last American W.W. I veteran passed away. To be honest, the idea for the coin is to perhaps in some small way remind citizens that the war changed the lives of not only the soldiers but their families and had a profound impact on our world today.
You are right in that there are many people who know or care very little concerning what happened during the years 1917-1918. That does not mean the conflict or the sacrifice was any less important. I was a public school teacher for 15 years and I can tell you that we do not do a particularly good job of explaining the war to youngsters. Perhaps it is because the war was fought “over there” and not on American soil.
I want the coin to honor the men who came back and never left their home again because, as my grandfather said, ” I traveled enough in France to last me a lifetime.” I want the coin to honor the men who suffered from inhaling gas or suffered from shellshock. I want the coin to honor the first soldier who was buried at the Tomb of the Unknown whose name is but known only to God.
This is not a “feel good gesture.” If you knew what other countries are doing to commemorate the dead, you would be ashamed at the little the United States is doing. This coin will be struck to remind all of us that the sacrifices the Doughboys made were no less significant then the brave veterans of the other conflicts in our history."
The person who seconded this proposal had this to say
"Over the last decade, the men and women of today’s Armed Forces have fought gallantry, serving to defend our Nation’s…our world’s interest, whenever and wherever called upon. It’s true, CPL Buckles, F. (1901-2011) (the last surviving American veteran of WW I) has passed. However, that should not diminish the honor and downright gratitude that we, as American owe this great patriot. Furthermore, let us not forget that this was in-fact a World War. Our appreciation must extend equally to all the greats around the world who have, and will continue to follow in a ‘Soldier’s footstep.’

As a U.S. Army veteran of two foreign wars, with 19+ years (1993 – present) of ‘active’ federal service, I challenge each and every one of you to ask yourself, “What can I do to better my people, my Nation, and my world?” Mr. Gillis’ actions are simply an extension of that gratitude. IMO – It’s not simply an honor of WW I veterans as it is an honor of all veterans. Therefore, let me be the first to applaud you Mr. Gillis for your service both as a public school educator and as the current Numismatic Educator at the American Numismatic Association. I look forward to owning one of these gems in the years to come."
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: paisepagal on June 23, 2013, 06:58:53 PM
Nice Pabitra,
I found it in bad taste to push this topic to frivolous directions.
There are indeed many Indian soldiers buried (many not) and forgotten in distant lands across Europe, the gulf and in south east Asia.
But because they did not fight under the Republic of India flag, we easily forget them and I imagine there are so many families in rural India who don't even have a momento to remember those veterans let alone have the means to trace where they might have fallen.

I doubt India would issue such a coin. But I'm sure many European nations will do so
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 23, 2013, 07:12:20 PM
You are right, PP.
Recently I visited Ypres in Belgium which was one of the major sites in WW I.

I was accompanied by a retired Army Commander from India, who being a former Armoured Corps officer, was keen to visit Flandres fields when the tanks were used for the first time in the world in 1915.
Another friend, who is a chemical engineer, was keen to see the place where the Mustard gas was used as first reported incidence of chemical warfare.

There is a memorial to Indian soldiers who died there and since most of them happen to be from Punjab, every year Sikh citizens of UK come and hold a memorial service there.

The soldiers who laid down their lives, for the flag they were fighting for, are not forgotten, even though we may not agree with the cause for which they fought.

Please remember the commem coins do not commemorate the war but honor the soldiers.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: andyg on June 23, 2013, 11:17:21 PM
Celebrating any war be it start or end is bad taste in itself imo.

I do agree we should remember those (on both sides) who didn't survive - not just the soldiers but the civilians who found themselves caught up in whichever conflict, but I question what part commercialised commemorative coins have to play in this.
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Post by: Figleaf on June 23, 2013, 11:51:06 PM
Agreed, andyg. You celebrate peace, not war. However, my guess is the stamped metal pushers will issue whatever whenever without any thought and that's no joke.

Marx and Lenin condemned the first world war as a capitalist plot to sell arms and kill workers. Let's see if the Cubans and North Koreans remember...

Peter
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Post by: dheer on June 24, 2013, 06:34:04 AM
Issuing coins on such topic would be more on International discussions and agreements, I don't think any country on its own would try and venture out without understanding the sentiments of other nations ... half the nations were part of victory and the other half not ... and today in non polorized world not everyone maybe happy ... lets wait and watch ...
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 25, 2013, 07:37:42 PM
Celebrating any war be it start or end is bad taste in itself imo.

I do agree we should remember those (on both sides) who didn't survive - not just the soldiers but the civilians who found themselves caught up in whichever conflict, but I question what part commercialised commemorative coins have to play in this.

No one celebrates the war itself.
Either the victory in a battle is celebrated ( see Russia coins of 1812 battle victories, 2,5 and 10 Roubles issued last year) or Battle Heroes are remembered ( see Russia 1812 Heroes-2 Roubles issued last year ) OR ( see Canada 1812 Heroes- 25 cents issued last and this year).

Very rarely does a country issue coin where the battle is remembered without any claim of victory. Only example I could find was Gibraltar having issued coins on Operation Torch, a US Army operation in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt etc in 1942. Not having been student of History, I do not know about the degree of involvement of Gibraltar in WWII.

Incidentally, we are discussing coins and not history or wars.

Kindly note that USA has no attachment to 1914 since their participation in WW I was from 1917.

Regarding your specific query "what part commercialised commemorative coins have to play in this", figleaf has very wisely said "An identified coin is a piece of history"

Come to think of it, we can not deny history and wars have been an integral part of the same.

It is said that "History repeats itself". It is wrong. Actually, those who forget history, are condemned to repeat it.

Recently, USA issued coins on its five star Generals ( USA WWII Heroes, issued in 2013); All of them were part of WW II; Had there been no WW II, none of them would have become a five star General. Do the coins commem WW II or the heroes ?

A straight forward question of seeing the glass half empty instead of half full.

Sorry, if I have hurt the feelings on any member but coins remain a powerful medium of educating the new generation about history as well as Geography.

In Flanders, we still celebrate the victory in the Battle of Golden Spurs on July 11 ( a state holiday), even though the losers in the battle in 1302, were from Wallonia, very much a part of Belgium now.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: paisepagal on June 25, 2013, 07:44:01 PM
This discussion seems to be veering into a Similar direction as the comments on whether one particular Indian coin commemorated a jail or the victims and the importance of that chapter in India's modern history. It was disturbing to say the least some of the comments in that thread
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: andyg on June 25, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
I think you both missed the point -
It's not the remembrance - but the fact that these coins are issued solely by greedy mints to make a profit out of those who buy them.  This severely undermines any moral argument with regards to their issuance imo.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 28, 2013, 05:04:11 PM
the fact that these coins are issued solely by greedy mints to make a profit out of those who buy them.  This severely undermines any moral argument with regards to their issuance imo.

The mints do not issue the coins but governments do. In case of all the coins quoted by me, except USA, the coins are circulating commemoratives. In case of USA too, the coins were duly authorized by democratically elected government. That is the logic as far as the subject matter of coins is concerned.

Mints, like all other organisations, exist solely to satisfy the demands of its customers. If collectors do not buy them, they will stop or reduce the production, as was done by US mint for presidential Dollars. On the other hand, as far as number of coins are concerned, the demand has now dictated that in EU every country can issue two commemorative coins per year. This is despite the fact that many countries like Austria, Netherlands etc. were not even availing the single opportunity. Now countries like Luxembourg etc. are enjoying enhanced number as well two designs option. Simple logic, the collectors want that.

Your poison may be some one's elixir.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on June 28, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
The mints do not issue the coins but governments do.
Legally that is correct. Practically ... hmm, it may well be the mint which says, hello government, we would really really like to issue this and that coin, and it will be good for budget too. ;)

As for "1914" coins, well, there may be some. In terms of surcharged commems, the US seems to issue a lot of military themed pieces (hardly anything else in the past few years), so maybe that is what the collectors want. But yes, they won't have anything next year from what I know. In Europe, there will be some that commemorate battles, I suppose, and then a couple in 2018 ...

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: FosseWay on June 28, 2013, 07:58:06 PM
Agreed, andyg. You celebrate peace, not war. However, my guess is the stamped metal pushers will issue whatever whenever without any thought and that's no joke.

Marx and Lenin condemned the first world war as a capitalist plot to sell arms and kill workers. Let's see if the Cubans and North Koreans remember...

Peter

Was a ouija board deployed to elicit Marx's view on the First World War? He died in 1883...  ;)

I think there is a place for a commemorative (not celebratory) coin in 2018. Commemorating the start of a war is a bit odd unless the occasion is significant for other reasons (such as 1776 for the US, rather than 1783 when the war actually ended).

Furthermore, I'm not clear what the point of a US commemorative for the start of the First World War is. The US didn't enter the war until 1917. A country's coinage is one of the most obvious day-to-day public-facing manifestations of its national identity, and events/people commemorated thereon should bear that in mind. If you're going to put whatever global events you like, however worthy of commemoration, on your coins, where do you stop?
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on June 29, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
Practically ... hmm, it may well be the mint which says, hello government, we would really really like to issue this and that coin, and it will be good for budget too. ;)

I do agree that in reality, you are absolutely right in most of the cases although it does not make sound economics.
Many times, the politicians are intelligent and do not fall to this "buddy is right" syndrome.
Otherwise, why did Sweden close down its mint or Belgium cancel its "Centenary of Flanders Cycling race" commemorative 2 Euro, despite its mint making consistent losses.


Furthermore, I'm not clear what the point of a US commemorative for the start of the First World War is.

I think that was clearly explained in reply #3. It is homage to veterans of first world war and issue is of 2014 may be either pure coincidence or 1914 is so deeply connected with WW I.


From the discussion it appears that USA and Canada are always remember wars. To some extent, it may be true since they have very active veterans departments.
Canada is remembering Battle of Somme's 97th Anniversary.
 See

http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/celebrate/canada-day/calendar-events/97th-anniversary-of-battle-of-somme-battle-of-beaumont-hamel

On the other hand, USA is remembering Gettysburg Battle on its 150th Ann.
See
http://www.gettysburgreenactment.com/reenactors/event-schedule/

In Europe too, I have seen enactment of Battle of Waterloo as well as D day (Normandy) being  actively remembered.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: <k> on June 29, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
If you're going to put whatever global events you like, however worthy of commemoration, on your coins, where do you stop?

I would stop with a "Demise of the Dictators" set: Saddam Hussein being hanged, Gaddafi being beaten to death, Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife being executed, or President Doe of Liberia having his ears, etc., cut off. No, I'd stop before that in fact. But we haven't got there yet. Nothing tasteless about a WWI issue, I think.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on June 30, 2013, 12:43:21 AM
Nothing tasteless about a WWI issue, I think.

No doubt that some will issue coins that commemorate WW1. Then again one might wonder how much sense it makes to celebrate an armistice/victory that 20 years later resulted in yet another war, with even more "impact" ...

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: <k> on June 30, 2013, 01:45:14 AM
No doubt that some will issue coins that commemorate WW1. Then again one might wonder how much sense it makes to celebrate an armistice/victory that 20 years later resulted in yet another war, with even more "impact" ...

Christian

Depends whether you commemorate the losses on all sides, or "celebrate victory". WW2 ended with the atom bomb, which has insured against any future world war - so far. And perhaps it's the reason many of us Europeans are here. Consider that your father and mother had to be in a certain place at a certain time for you to be born. WW2 caused so much disruption, that many Europeans would not have met otherwise, or else been in a different place had that war not happened. So which would you prefer: no WW2 and no you, or a horrific war and you get to exist?  :-\
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on June 30, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Now that I don't quite understand. This topic is about WW1, and I wrote about the turn that "history" took at and after its end. Back in 1918, the winners of the armistice ;) may have thought that the cruelties of that war would make such wars impossible in the future. Well, less than fifteen years later that hope was severely damaged, and it ultimately ended another five or six years later.

That is why I think that commemorating the 1914-18 war on coins is somewhat strange. After WW2 quite a few things worked out differently, partly because of fortunate coincidences but primarily due to deliberate decisions. Let's talk about those future coins in the early 2040s ... and focus on coins that will commemorate 1918.

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: <k> on June 30, 2013, 12:48:29 PM
Now that I don't quite understand. This topic is about WW1

Well, you mentioned how WW1 led to WW2, and so...  But I don't expect to be around for the 2040s. It's quite possible to commemorate the dead on all sides, who were led into this "war of the cousins", without "celebrating victory".
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on June 30, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Well, you mentioned WW1 how led to WW2, and so...  But I don't expect to be around for the 2040s.

Neither do I, unless some medical miracle happens. ;D  Let's face it, coins usually commemorate "our heroes" or "our victory", not the people who died no matter where they were from. Just ask yourself - how many coins have you seen with an "End of the Vietnam War" or "End of the Second Iraq War" theme? WW2 was the last war that was "universally" considered to have a, hmm, successful end, no matter whether you ask people in the UK, the US, Russia or Germany, just to name these four.

At the end of WW1, however, many decisions were made that, at least in hindsight, were fatal mistakes. For example, the Deutsches Reich did - due to the 1918 revolution - not send the imperial government or the Emperor's generals to the negotiations, but representatives of the post-monarchic Germany. So it was easy for people such as Ludendorff to make that "stab in the back" myth popular in Germany.

On the other hand there were huge reparation demands (which to a large extent had been "inspired" by what the Prussians and their allies had done in 1871), the Belgian-French occupation of the Ruhr Area in 1923-25 ... anyway, my point is, if you commemorate the 1918 centennial, you also celebrate what it brought with it so to say. Veterans associations in some countries will still support the idea of issuing such coins in 2018 because they focus on those who fought and won, not so much on what happened after afterwards. Ah well, at least I am not forced to buy and collect them. ;)

Christian
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Post by: <k> on June 30, 2013, 03:01:44 PM
Neither do I, unless some medical miracle happens. ;D

No miracles in 2040 - here's why. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzJhlvtDms&t=3m5s) "Complex civilisations collapse under the weight of their own complexity" - Joseph Tainter. Resource depletion, diminishing returns on investment, environmental degradation, climate change, food scarcity, drought: Europeans will be busy reacquainting themselves with the human condition in 2040.


WW2 was the last war that was "universally" considered to have a, hmm, successful end, no matter whether you ask people in the UK, the US, Russia or Germany, just to name these four.
What about the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Hungarians, the Czechoslovaks? Did they enjoy the spread of Stalinism across central and Eastern Europe?

Let's face it, coins usually commemorate "our heroes" or "our victory", not the people who died no matter where they were from. Just ask yourself - how many coins have you seen with an "End of the Vietnam War" or "End of the Second Iraq War" theme?

I take your point. Your national history, personal views and politics, will all influence your opinion of any coins with a WW1 theme. So it's been a useful discussion. My own point is that there are far worse things than tasteless coins, and as themes go, this is far from being the most tasteless theme possible.

Ah well, at least I am not forced to buy and collect them. ;)

Precisely. So I'll leave it there.  ;)
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: FosseWay on June 30, 2013, 05:04:42 PM
I think it's possible to separate the significance of 11 November 1918 from the disaster that was the subsequent settlement (mostly the Treaty of Versailles, but also various other treaties and more minor wars that occurred elsewhere than western Europe - Greece, Turkey, Russia for instance). The centenary of the Armistice is, I think, a fitting subject for a commemorative coin, but only if it is treated from the perspective of remembering those who died - in whatever capacity and from whatever country - and not from the geopolitical perspective.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on July 03, 2013, 09:29:39 AM
According to the unconfirmed sources, France next  year will issue one of the two €2 commemorative coins with the theme of "70 Years since D-Day". Since this theme is integral part of World War II, there should not be any moral issues with commemorating any event of WW I. May be some event is remembered later in any year between 2015 to 2018.
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Post by: chrisild on July 03, 2013, 11:31:38 AM
Like many other countries, France has issued lots of WW2 related coins. In terms of €2 commems, think of the Appel du 18 Juin 1940 issue (in 2010). Then there was the series of D-Day collector coins in 2004 (€1.50, €20, €100), and "Mai 1945" coins in 2005, and an even more comprehensive series in 1994 and 1995. You could also add issues such as the 2007 coins honoring Sousa Mendes. Well, I tried to explain why in my opinion 1918 and 1945 are different, but of course the mints and you don't have to agree with me. ;)

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on July 04, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
I tried to explain why in my opinion 1918 and 1945 are different, but of course the mints and you don't have to agree with me. ;)
Christian

Yes, Christian. I understand that in your opinion - both WWs were different. As a matter of fact, most of the members of this group appear to say that coins commemorating a war should not be issued.
I do not have any specific opinion on this subject except that if a circulating commemorative is issued, I should get it, without bothering about the sentiments of the issuing country or opinions of those who oppose it. It is just a matter of national sentiments and interpretation of the words.

Let me take a small example. This is a coins forum, as is evident by its very clear name. However, some of the most senior members as well as moderators, happily clutter the space with notes, stamps etc. Well, it all depends on where to draw the limit. If choice is allowed to be exercised by members themselves, then why have moderators?
Same is about the topic of war on coins. There are no moderators and choice is to be made by the people of that country or the government on their behalf.
Nevertheless, my interest has been aroused on this theme. My first report is from Australia which just issued a war commem coin.
Australia was neither major participant, claims any victory nor remembrance. It just commems Korea War.

I will report more coins on the subject, as and when I come across them. ( You can shift to to a theme topic, if so required)

Your views on the subject are solicited since they enlighten me a lot.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on July 10, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
After Australia, it is Canada who is issuing the coin on the subject.
It was released in presence of Korean Ambassador to Canada, Minister of  Veteran's Affairs and President of Veterans Association.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on July 10, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
A design like that Canadian one I would have expected on a coin from the early 20th century, or before, but not these days. Ah well, live and learn ...

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on July 10, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
I'd prefer to see a coin commemorating the end of all wars instead of the start of one.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: augsburger on July 10, 2013, 03:17:20 PM
I'm not sure about this word "commemorative". When we issue a coin for the start of the war and we say we are commemorating it, are we not just really remembering it? We're not passing judgement over whether it was a good thing or a bad thing, just that it was really important.

Clearly 1914 is one of the most important years in British History, everything changed in that year. Why not produce a coin that marks such a monumental date?

I mean we'll commemorate 1066 in 2066 quite clearly, a bad year for the English (unless you count the fact that the Normans became English).

I think we should commemorate it, in fact I expect them to.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: <k> on July 10, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'd prefer to see a coin commemorating the end of all wars instead of the start of one.

Sadly, that will only happen after the demise of the human race, so there will be nobody around to mint it.
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: <k> on July 10, 2013, 03:24:44 PM
A design like that Canadian one I would have expected on a coin from the early 20th century, or before, but not these days.

Christian

I agree. It's worth another tantrum from North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, if he ever finds out about it. (Do you have his email address?).
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Figleaf on July 10, 2013, 04:33:08 PM
Computers don't work in North Korea, especially when there is a blackout. You can reach him by snail mail at:

Mr. Kim Jong Un
Chairman, Communist Party of Chosun
Kumsoosan, Miam-dong, Daesung
Pyongyang
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Hint: he likes big stamps.

Peter
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: paisepagal on July 10, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
I quite like the motif of the Canadian coin....is there an explanation that goes with it ?
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Post by: chrisild on July 10, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
Of course there is (http://www.mint.ca/store/news/news-18700040?cat=News+releases&nId=700002&parentnId=600004&nodeGroup=About+the+Mint#backgrounder), but it does not make the design any better. >:D

The piece features "an adaptation of the reverse of the original Korea Medal awarded to all Commonwealth forces who served in the war. In adapting the Korea Medal design for this coin, Royal Canadian Mint engravers faithfully preserved Edward Carter Preston’s original depiction of Hercules, the idealized warrior from Greek mythology, slaying the indomitable hydra-headed monster as an allegory for the perilous struggles of war, and a tribute to those who freely go to battle."

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: paisepagal on July 10, 2013, 05:41:33 PM
Of course there is (http://www.mint.ca/store/news/news-18700040?cat=News+releases&nId=700002&parentnId=600004&nodeGroup=About+the+Mint#backgrounder), but it does not make the design any better. >:D

The piece features "an adaptation of the reverse of the original Korea Medal awarded to all Commonwealth forces who served in the war. In adapting the Korea Medal design for this coin, Royal Canadian Mint engravers faithfully preserved Edward Carter Preston’s original depiction of Hercules, the idealized warrior from Greek mythology, slaying the indomitable hydra-headed monster as an allegory for the perilous struggles of war, and a tribute to those who freely go to battle."

Christian

Differing eyes differing tastes.... I've had to disparage some of my friends on other coins too   :P?.. Und danke schön!
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on August 08, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
Since this topic has become a topic of debate as to whether wars should be comemmorated or not, here is a medal being issued by Royal Dutch Mint on 31st August, to celebrate 200th Ann. of Victory in Waterloo.
It is not a coin since there is no denomination on it but then who follows the face value of Silver coins. They may be legal tender at face value or called NCLT, they are medal or medallions, as long as they are sold at high price ( higher then bullion value).
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Figleaf on August 08, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
EINDE VAN DE FRANSE BEZETTING = end of the French occupation. Legally incorrect, but who cares. It's about flogging metal.

The occupation ended on 20th november 1813 by proclamation of "the triumvirate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driemanschap)". The battle of Waterloo was on 18th June 1815. As Dutch/Belgian troops participated on the allied side, it should be obvious that equating the end of the occupation with the battle of Waterloo is dead wrong.

Furthermore, I'd argue that commemorating the battle would be in bad taste. Dutch troops did not exactly distinguish themselves (they did at Quatre Bras, though.) Francophone troops deserted in droves, the population of the area was rooting for Napoleon and crown prince William was such a bad military commander that Wellington manoeuvred him out of his command. Bad taste has never stopped marketing guys before, though. ::)

Peter
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on September 15, 2013, 10:54:18 PM
Ukraine comemms 70th ann of victory in Kharkow
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Pabitra on October 03, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
Ukraine has issued another coin to commem victory in 1943
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on October 03, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
Since this topic has become a topic of debate as to whether wars should be comemmorated or not,

... I modified the topic title. ;)

Christian
Title: Re: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: chrisild on October 11, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
From Canada (http://www.mint.ca/store/news/news-19200029?cat=News+releases&nId=700002&parentnId=600004) we can expect a plethora of war coins in the near future:

"As 2014 marks the centennial of the First World War and the 75th anniversary of the Second World War, the Royal Canadian Mint is developing an all-encompassing coin program to commemorate both historical events. With so many stories and events touching Canadians on so many levels, the program will span 2014 to 2020, including both circulation and collector coins."

Christian
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Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on October 11, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
Royal Canadian Mint issues too many commemoratives.  I think they may get to 100 different coins with WWI commemorations.
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Post by: Pabitra on October 17, 2013, 01:29:34 AM
Another Coin by Ukraine.
On 16th October, Ukraine commemed 70th Anniv of Liberation of Melitopol
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Post by: andyg on November 09, 2013, 01:14:08 AM
MODERATOR'S NOTE:

These posts were split from here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,24501.msg161854.html#msg161854).



oh goody, a coin commemorating the beginning of the end, or was that the start of the beginning - or maybe the end of the start.  I guess we can look forward to a few more tasteless issues when next the mint thinks about it's profit margins. 

The only first world war coin should be to remember those who gave so much to the rest of us (of both sides) - and the royal mints profits from the issue should go in their entirety to the British legion (a UK charity for old soldiers)
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Post by: augsburger on November 09, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
We commemorate Guy Fawkes being killed too. Does anyone get offended?
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Post by: FosseWay on November 09, 2013, 10:08:46 AM
Guy Fawkes was killed because he attempted to murder a lot of other people, and the standard punishment for that in those days was execution. I don't agree with the death penalty but that doesn't mean there is an equivalence between Guy Fawkes (or any other terrorist or murderer) and the millions of ordinary men on both sides who got sucked into the First World War. I'm with Andrew on this - the only valid commemorative should be one remembering the dead, and the most obvious date to commemorate is 11 November 1918. We didn't, after all, commemorate the start of the Second World War in 1989, 1999 or 2009 on a coin but we did commemorate the peace in 1995 and 2005.
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Post by: andyg on November 09, 2013, 10:15:45 AM
Fosseway's post appeared as I was typing -

But nevertheless, with Guy Fawkes we are celebrating that he didn't blow up parliament - not what happened to him afterwards.

That's why the celebration is in November, rather than the end of January (when he was hanged)

(If no one has any objections - I'll move the posts from mine onwards into another thread later and leave this topic as the proclamations kindly posted by <k>)
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Post by: augsburger on November 09, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
WW1 changed everything we know. We're not celebrating the beginning of the war with this coin, we're commemorating one of the most important dates in British History. As much as it brought dead and destruction, it brought change, the Empire was on the way down, what we know as Britain today was essentially born in 1914.

You can look at it however you like, there are plenty of reasons to commemorate such a war. Another one is "so we don't forget", however quickly it was forgotten.
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Post by: Figleaf on November 09, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
I would argue that what you say applies to the Napoleonic wars, rather than the first world war and that the British empire kept on taking importance until the US started to make its mark in the 1920s, with no specific turning point.

In terms of military history, the first world war brought some "innovation", like armed aircraft and tanks, but that was nothing compared to the second world war (jet engine, accurate rocketry, atomic bomb). In terms of political and economic history, the first world war had more influence on Russia, Finland, the Baltic states Austria, Hungary, Germany and others than on Britain. By contrast, the Napoleonic wars established Britain as a continental player for the first time since the hundred years' war and established the modern money system.

Peter
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Post by: augsburger on November 09, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
Yeah, other wars had an impact too. Lots of things do. But in the memory of the people alive today, WW1 and WW2 are the big wars. The ones my Grandfather lived through. The ones that came home rather hard on our memories. I assumed the mint would commemorate the start of WW1, and i assume they will commemorate historic battles of WW1 too. Just because for someone like me, it seems important, for whatever reason.
Other people will look at things in other ways, which is fine too. But then should we be offended they make money out of making coins that commemorate things where people died? I don't think so, not in this case, nor the other military commemoratives they've made.
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Post by: Bimat on November 09, 2013, 04:28:26 PM
Several WW coins from UK next year...

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,24501.0.html

Aditya
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Post by: chrisild on November 09, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
Don't think anybody is surprised by the fact that the Royal Mint commemorates the beginning of World War I. And yes, of course there will be more "Great War" coins later, including issuers such as Alderney, Jersey, etc.  However, it may make sense to keep the list of coins that <k> posted, and the discussion about British war coins in general, separate. See this topic: http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,22056.0.html Done, thanks! :)

Christian
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Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on November 09, 2013, 10:33:55 PM
Yeah, other wars had an impact too. Lots of things do. But in the memory of the people alive today, WW1 and WW2 are the big wars. The ones my Grandfather lived through. The ones that came home rather hard on our memories. I assumed the mint would commemorate the start of WW1, and i assume they will commemorate historic battles of WW1 too. Just because for someone like me, it seems important, for whatever reason.
Other people will look at things in other ways, which is fine too. But then should we be offended they make money out of making coins that commemorate things where people died? I don't think so, not in this case, nor the other military commemoratives they've made.

Maybe it is different now that everyone that participated in WWI is now gone.  There still are WWII vets around, saw one just today - but they are getting very old now.  I believe when all WWII vets are gone that the whole truth about that miserable stupid war will not be told anymore.  No country but Poland?(which commemoratives of 2009 are stupid) made coins commemorate the start of that war.  Can you imagine how people would feel if for say - Germany commemorates start of war?  In former USSR we commemorate the hero cities, the victories and the end of war.
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Post by: augsburger on November 10, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
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Can you imagine how people would feel if for say - Germany commemorates start of war?

I might also expect Germany to commemorate the start of WW1 and WW2. They just commemorated Kristallnacht, it was a bad thing in their history, but the (West) Germans have been forced to recognise the bad since 1945 and have made every effort to not forget, and to fix things so it doesn't happen again. Should they just pretend it didn't happen?
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Post by: andyg on November 10, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
We seem to be at cross purposes - we should remember not commemorate the atrocities.
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Post by: augsburger on November 10, 2013, 01:14:32 PM
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We seem to be at cross purposes - we should remember not commemorate the atrocities.

Well, agreeing isn't always necessary.  ;)

It depends what you mean by "commemorate the atrocities". I'd say glorifying, or celebrating atrocities is not a good thing. However remembering something important that might also have been bad, tragic, even evil, is about telling people that this is not acceptable in the modern world. We forget very easily as human beings, and we repeat mistakes. I'd say that coins are a good medium to get this across.
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Post by: Prosit on November 10, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
There isn’t a doubt in my mind that WWI and WWII are crises/pivot points in history that created the world we live in today. Not solely but without them the world would be a vastly different place. Is that for good or ill? I don’t posses wisdom enough to know that answer however we have what we have.

In seems to me that when the worst in man comes to the fore there are also tales of the best coming forth as well.

To paraphrase Andyg, we shouldn’t forget or celebrate the atrocities. However maybe we do need reminding of the horror we are capable of...somehow.

If we aspire to be and do better we should celebrate triumphs over war and goodness and great deeds that happen in spite of war without celebrating war.

That is a not so subtle difference that someone driven to market a product may not consider. I can think of no coin that circulated that I won’t collect. There are some few commemoratives I would never collect even if I collected commemoratives.
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Post by: chrisild on November 10, 2013, 01:34:32 PM
I might also expect Germany to commemorate the start of WW1 and WW2. They just commemorated Kristallnacht, it was a bad thing in their history, but the (West) Germans have been forced to recognise the bad since 1945 and have made every effort to not forget, and to fix things so it doesn't happen again. Should they just pretend it didn't happen?

We do not really celebrate or commemorate wars on our coins. (That is, pieces issued by the Federal Republic of Germany.) As you wrote, this does not translate to forgetting or ignoring history. But I would find it extremely strange if Germany issued coins to remind of the beginning of WW1 or WW2. And no, nothing like that is planned for 2014 here.

In 1994 and 1995 there were coins that commemorated the anniversary of 20 July 1944 and of the destruction of the Frauenkirche in Dresden. The latter might be considered an "end of WW2" coin as the motto on the image side is Mahnung zu Frieden und Versöhnung (call/appeal to peace and reconciliation). So if one wants coins with a WW1 theme in 2014, look at what the Five Eyes will issue. Russia has a whole series too, I think.

November is a "mixed" month in Germany. Just think of 11 Nov which is the anniversary of the 1918 armistice, but (at least in this area) also the start of the Karneval season. 9 Nov is an extremely multifaceted date: The revolution and end of the monarchy in 1918, the Hitler coup in Munich 1923, the Pogrom Night 1938 ("Kristallnacht" is a cynical term that the nazis used), and then ... the opening of the German-German border and of the Berlin Wall 1989.

Remember how in the years of the Deutsches Reich, Prussia issued coins that celebrated the beginning of the Prussian war against Napoleon's France, and how Saxony issued a Battle of Leipzig commem? 100 years before, in 1813, Prussia and its allies (Saxony switched sides shortly before that battle ...) had fought against "the French" -- and one year later they did it again.

Christian
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Post by: augsburger on November 10, 2013, 01:46:15 PM
For circulating coins Germany isn't in much of a position to do so anyway. Whether collectors coins would be accepted by Germany who were the losers and the connotations with the rise of Hitler out of the ashes of WW1 is also another factor.

Nationalism and pride are big factors here. The British fascists like the BNP will pull out Churchill to back up their silly little ideas. WW1 though doesn't have that, we won, but not with pride so much as with relief, we won't because of the Americans and not because of our own exploits. So we don't have a sense of guilt, we don't have a sense of patriotism, it's just about remembering the dead.
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Post by: andyg on November 10, 2013, 03:02:56 PM
Would anyone support a coin commemorating the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war?
The subject is a little difficult, but no worse than what went on in 1914.
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Post by: augsburger on November 10, 2013, 05:03:04 PM
I doubt a 10th anniversary would merit a coin, to be honest. We commemorate things in the long run, things that stand out. How will the Iraq war stand up in history? We don't know. Now it's right in our faces, but in 40 years time, what will it be? Will the Falklands War be remembered in 2082?
I doubt we'd have a coin for the Korean War, Vietnam, or other places we've had engagements, not because they're not valid, and not because people didn't die there, but because their importance to our identity is low.
Also, the Iraq war is seen as negative. WW2 is majorly positive, WW1 was see differently back then to how it is seen now.

It's not about the truth, per se. It's about identity and interpretation of history really.
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Post by: Figleaf on November 10, 2013, 06:07:22 PM
Interpretation of history indeed. You will be pleased to know that according to my son's (french) teacher the first world war was a war between France and Germany over Alsace-Lorraine. France won, so they got Alsace-Lorraine. You Brits weren't even there. :)

You may not be aware of the importance of the battle of Waterloo in the British psyche. There were times that anyone with at a minimum a large attic would have a scale model of the landscape, populated by tin soldiers, often homemade and painted in proper regimental uniform. My point is that what you remember is your grandfather's memories and what you learned in school, not history.

Peter
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Post by: Pabitra on November 18, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
(http://www.royalmint.com/~/media/Images/Products/D/D14COLL/_L_D14COLL_04.ashx?as=1&h=390&w=390)

100 years of World War I

Great Britain will issue a 2 Pounds coin.

Belgium will issue a 2 Euro coin.
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Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on November 19, 2013, 01:00:59 PM
They should append coin design with legend after "Your country needs YOU" - to die needlessly and not long be remembered.
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Post by: chrisild on November 19, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
The fact that they merely reproduce a war mobilization poster from 100 years ago says a lot in my opinion. But I assume that is the message they want to get across. :-\

Christian
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Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on November 19, 2013, 08:42:55 PM
I think people should watch movie - Warhorse" which clearly documents enthusiasm which people went to war, then enthusiasm when after four years the war ends.
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Post by: chrisild on November 19, 2013, 09:11:43 PM
Maybe the following coins (I think there will be five, one for each WW1 year) will reflect that ... But I doubt it.

Greetings from near Sedan and Verdun (currently in Reims), Christian
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Post by: andyg on November 19, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
I think people should watch movie - Warhorse" which clearly documents enthusiasm which people went to war, then enthusiasm when after four years the war ends.

"It'll be all over by Christmas"
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Post by: <k> on November 20, 2013, 12:37:31 AM
1815, 1914 - it's about that time of the century that big changes occur. What could be in store: the next leg of the "never-ending recession" ? World War 3 ?
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Post by: chrisild on November 20, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
Guess there will be twenty dull years after 2018, and then they can finally start with the WW2 series (at least seven coins) in 2039. Add the other Five Eyes countries, and you'll get a whole bunch of English language War coins. Plus a couple more from elsewhere ...

Christian >:D
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Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2014, 10:14:26 AM
Canada 1 Dollar
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Post by: Figleaf on January 17, 2014, 10:43:12 AM
Too busy, even for a large coin, but a better message than the UK variant.

Peter
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Post by: augsburger on January 17, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
Is it? They're smiling, except the woman. Sort of suggests to me that men like going to war and find it fun. Okay, i don't, but any commemorative like this could be criticised.
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Post by: chrisild on January 17, 2014, 11:15:24 AM
Since these coins are supposed to c---rate the anniversary of the beginning of that war, well, even in Germany there were many examples of "hooray patriotism" that you can still see and read. Keep in mind that, in that war, the common view in Germany was that it was forced upon the country; the Deutsches Reich had to be loyal to Austria, counter the French and British ambitions, and so on.

I have seen several photos of soldiers who left home to fight, and who looked similarly enthusiastic. Again, I find it strange to dedicate coins to the beginning of military action. But if somebody made a movie about soldiers at the beginning of WW1, well, showing smiling soldiers, and sad or weeping wives and mothers, would not be all that unrealistic ...

Christian
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Post by: Figleaf on January 17, 2014, 11:17:40 AM
I wonder where those smiles are. I don't even see mouths, especially on the woman.

Peter
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Post by: chrisild on January 17, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
The RCM has some hi-res images here (http://ftp://communications:RCM2007@ftp.mint.ca) (FTP). Attached are the face clips, so to say. And yes, if you buy such a "coin", you will not see these details with "just" your eyes ...

Christian
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Post by: augsburger on January 17, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
Yeah, soldiers would have probably been happy to go to war. And they would have seen the posters. These are all facts of the time, and appropriate when looking at what actually happened. We're not into changing history, just observing what happened and reporting on it.
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Post by: SquareEarth on January 17, 2014, 06:05:18 PM
After Australia, it is Canada who is issuing the coin on the subject.
It was released in presence of Korean Ambassador to Canada, Minister of  Veteran's Affairs and President of Veterans Association.
A re-production of the Korea Medal (.uk, .ca, .au, .nz)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Korea_Medal_reverse.png)
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Post by: Figleaf on January 17, 2014, 10:00:53 PM
Having been through a war on your own territory may make a difference. Many years back, I was part of an official delegation visiting South Korea. Our hosts assumed we wanted to visit the memorial they had erected for Dutch soldiers killed in the Korean war. They had organised everything, from the Dutch national anthem to some flowers for all delegation members. I was exceptionally impressed with our hosts.

Shamefully, not only did I not know there was such a monument (I was the Korea desk officer of the ministry of economic affairs), the monument was wholly maintained by the Koreans and I have yet to meet any Dutchman who knows as much as where it is.

Peter
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Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
Malta will issue a silver numismatic coin commemorating the 100th anniversary of the First World War and Malta’s role as the “Nurse of the Mediterranean”. This coin will be issued in April 2014.
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Post by: Pabitra on January 28, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
There are going to be two coins with same design but different specifications and prices. Silver and base metal in rolls.

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Post by: <k> on February 04, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Der Spiegel has a very succinct piece of analysis of how the aftermath of WW1 is still affecting the Middle East. The blame is laid on France and perfidious Albion (Britain!):

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/world-war-i-led-to-a-century-of-violence-in-the-middle-east-a-946052.html
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Post by: SquareEarth on February 05, 2014, 08:52:07 AM
Der Spiegel has a very succinct piece of analysis of how the aftermath of WW1 is still affecting the Middle East. The blame is laid on France and perfidious Albion (Britain!):

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/world-war-i-led-to-a-century-of-violence-in-the-middle-east-a-946052.html
The sheikhs, emirs, free officers and Baathist dictators may be heavy-handed, but they are angels as compared to the Ottoman Empire.

By the way, do any of you know German stamps/coins for Armin Wegner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_T._Wegner)
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Post by: Figleaf on February 05, 2014, 11:58:54 AM
Good points both (though the mores of the times should be taken into account.) No coins, no stamps for Armin Wegner. We commemorate violence but not justice.

Peter
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Post by: chrisild on February 05, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
No coins, no stamps for Armin Wegner. We commemorate violence but not justice.

Agreed with the first sentence. As for the second one, it may depend on who "we" is. In such a general sense it is not right, I think.

Christian
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Post by: Pabitra on February 13, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
Australia has issued a 1 Dollar coin on Feb 13th to commemorate centenary of Anzac.
The mintage will be 23 million.
Anzac stands for Australia and New Zealand Army Corps which started its World War I campaign in Gallipoli.
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Post by: Pabitra on March 24, 2014, 11:37:54 AM
Another unique collector coin by Australia, triangular in shape, poem wording on the reverse.
The title of the poem, apparently is "Lest we forget", a very apt title for this thread too.
The reverse shows Flanders poppies at dawn.
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Post by: Figleaf on March 24, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Unique means one specimen only. You can trust the precious metal pusher to have foreseen more than one unique specimen. :'( Even the particularly tasteless use of the "ransom note" lettering is not unique. France did it before. Neither is the shape. Bermuda, where triangles are a tourist attraction, did it before. Hype is definitely not unique. It is as old as the biblical story of the flooding of the earth, which may have covered a sliver of Mesopotamia. ::) Ah! maybe it's a one of a kind thingy since it shows dusk!

Peter
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Post by: chrisild on March 24, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
And yet another one. Well, if one celememorates the beginning of a war, why not use a reproduction of a war propaganda poster ... See image (embedded) below. This page has an even larger version: http://www.perthmint.com.au/catalogue/australian-posters-of-wwi-enlistment-2014-1oz-silver-proof-rectangle-coin.aspx

Christian

(http://www.perthmint.com.au/images/product/250/0-Australian-posters-of-wwi-enlistment-2014-1oz-silver-proof-rectangle-coin-reverse.jpg)
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Post by: Pabitra on April 02, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Belgium 2 Euro, due on 25th April 2014
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Post by: FosseWay on April 02, 2014, 07:14:57 PM
Since when was English an official language of Belgium?  ???
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Post by: chrisild on April 02, 2014, 07:49:13 PM
Why would it be? The Belgian Mint has done that before. Sometimes it's Latin, sometimes English. Easier than using two languages on the same piece. Or even all three, whatever the "Great War" would translate to in German ...   ::)

Christian
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Post by: FosseWay on April 02, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
Latin is a bit different, not being a living official language of anywhere but carrying great cultural pondus across the West generally.

It just seems slightly odd to use someone else's official language on your coins, especially when the language in question is not an impartial choice given the nature of the event being commemorated. But perhaps I'm just weird.
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Post by: chrisild on April 02, 2014, 08:44:38 PM
Well, Latin was - and English is - a lingua franca or a bridge. And as I wrote, this is not the first Belgian coin with an English inscription. See these reatively recent €2 issues:
(http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/images/image12670.jpg)
(http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/images/coins/be_2010.jpg)
(http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/images/coins/2012/be_2012_400.jpg)

Sure, with regard to this theme, English is also the language of the (or of most) winners. Then again, who else would issue these 1914-2014 coins? What I do find somewhat strange (mentioned that in the euro topic) is the years on that piece ...

Christian
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Post by: Figleaf on April 02, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
While both French and Dutch are compulsory subjects in school, in practice, the "other" language is usually among the most difficult and hated subjects. There are relatively few people who speak both languages well. The royal house is an obvious and telling example. It's not just the language division. Dutch pupils also have problems with French and French pupils find German very difficult. English is perceived as easier (blame TV), so there are situations where Belgians communicate best in English.

Peter
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Post by: chrisild on April 15, 2014, 07:14:14 PM
Back to our favorite subject - commemorating the beginning of WW1. In early September the Monnaie de Paris will issue a series of four collector coins (same design for all) that feature the "Taxis de la Marne". The French military had confiscated about 600 taxis in Paris which would bring soldiers to the Marne front. These cabs would soon become symbols of a solidarity spirit.

The current edition of Gerhard Schön's euro coin catalog has an image of the piece. Again (I just mentioned that with regard to two new Finnish coins) we have a design that begins on one side and is continued on the other. It starts with soldiers and women, then we see parts of the mobilization poster in the background, and then the "rear half" of such a taxi.

On the other side, the "front half" of the taxi, and marching soldiers. Will try and post an image later. There will be two silver pieces (€10, €50) and two gold pieces (€50, €200).

Christian
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Post by: Pabitra on April 26, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
Released on schedule
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Post by: Bimat on June 01, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
CBM marks centenary of WWI

Sunday, June 1, 2014, 00:01

The Central Bank of Malta has issued a limited edition silver coin commemorating the 100th anniversary of the start of World War I. The coin has a face value of €10. The bank also issued a similar coin in a brass version with a face value of €5.

The coins were minted at the Royal Belgian Mint and were designed and engraved by Noel Galea Bason.

The reverse features a nurse administering medication to a wounded soldier, recalling the humanitarian role Malta played during the war with its 27 hospitals and convalescent camps, where thousands of casualties of the war were treated.

The reverse of the coin also features a soldier and a red-coloured poppy – the first time colour has been used on a Maltese coin.

Source: Times of Malta (http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140601/business-news/CBM-marks-centenary-of-WWI.521469)
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Post by: chrisild on June 03, 2014, 07:15:31 PM
British collectors will be delighted to hear that they can soon buy thirty-six £5 pieces that "honour the centenary of 'the Great War' over the next five years", as the Royal Mint puts it. Only £450 for the first six silver proof issues (http://www.royalmint.com/shop/First_World_War_Outbreak_2014_UK_5_pound_Silver_Proof_6_Coin_Set) ... and that is just the first year. Seems the series even goes beyond the end of WW1. The attached image is from that page.

Christian
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Post by: Pabitra on June 03, 2014, 11:18:27 PM
Canada has issued 5 Dollars and 10 Dollars collector coins on the subject
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Post by: Pabitra on June 05, 2014, 08:23:36 PM
Australia has released two coins on the themes of WW I
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Post by: Pabitra on June 05, 2014, 08:25:49 PM
Great Britain has released the designs of first 3 of 6 coins for this year which is first year of 5 year plan on WWI commem coins.
These coins are of 5 Pounds denomination.
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Post by: Pabitra on June 09, 2014, 10:01:20 AM
Next three designs.
To be issued in 2014.
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Post by: Pabitra on June 09, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
British overseas territories ( 4 of them) have issued two coins each.
They are Falklands, Isle of Man, Ascension Islands and British Virgin Islands
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Post by: Pabitra on September 12, 2014, 12:42:40 PM
Gibraltar has issued significant battles commems
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Post by: chrisild on September 12, 2014, 12:53:21 PM
Alderney, £5 ...

Christian
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Post by: Pabitra on January 01, 2015, 02:49:35 PM
First coin of 2015. - issued by Australia- minted on midnight between Dec 31 and Jan 1 - taking advantage of time zone of Australia

Commem Gallipolli campaign as Centenary of ANZAC
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Post by: malj1 on January 01, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
Australia issued two circulation commemoration types for 2014, a 100 Years of Anzac dollar and a coloured Remembrance two dollar.

See also New Australian issues for 2014 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,29183.0.html)
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Post by: Pabitra on January 14, 2015, 03:09:07 PM
Turkey - centenary of Sarikamis Campaign
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Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2015, 10:39:23 PM
Belarus - 1 and 20 Roubles on First World War
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Post by: Pabitra on April 12, 2015, 04:31:14 AM
Turkey has issued a set of six coins on Centenary of Battle of Canakkale, remembering the ships that took part in the Naval Battle near Gallipoli.
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Post by: Figleaf on April 16, 2015, 05:34:47 PM
It's almost hilarious. Deep strike, antique finish. Medals, except for the denomination. I would have found them more attractive as medals, but tastes will differ.

BTW, notice that two ships are shown at anchor.

Peter
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Post by: SquareEarth on April 17, 2015, 12:12:54 AM
The moment I saw the Gallipoli Star, I thought "It would be great to see this featured on a coin".

And it seems that the designer of this coin really has tastes.  :D ;D ;) :)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Gallipoli-star.jpg/240px-Gallipoli-star.jpg)

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22056.0;attach=53339;image)
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Post by: SquareEarth on April 17, 2015, 12:16:02 AM
The sheikhs, emirs, free officers and Baathist dictators may be heavy-handed, but they are angels as compared to the Ottoman Empire.

By the way, do any of you know German stamps/coins for Armin Wegner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_T._Wegner)

It's been a year and Germany still hasn't issued a coin for Armin Wegner...
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Post by: chrisild on April 17, 2015, 03:03:40 PM
It's been a year and Germany still hasn't issued a coin for Armin Wegner...

Don't think that bringing this up here once a year will change anything. ;)  But if you are interested, you can currently (until the end of May) see an exhibition (http://www.remarque.uni-osnabrueck.de/aktuell.html) about Wegner in Osnabrück. The main page of the Remarque Peace Center is here (http://www.remarque.uni-osnabrueck.de).

Christian
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Post by: Pabitra on April 24, 2015, 02:06:15 PM
Australia has issued 14 coins of 20 cents and one of 1 Dollar on centenary of ANZAC in WW I.
See worldcoinnews.blogspot.com
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Post by: malj1 on April 25, 2015, 06:49:45 AM
Australia has issued 14 coins of 20 cents and one of 1 Dollar on centenary of ANZAC in WW I.
See worldcoinnews.blogspot.com

I believe they are only available from News limited who has issued these fourteen 20c coins in packs over the past few weeks.  Each time you bought a paper you could buy one of the coins.

It seems the 2015 $1 coin with a red poppy centre could only be purchased if you took out a subscription to the newspaper.
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Post by: malj1 on May 02, 2015, 06:26:49 AM

It seems the 2015 $1 coin with a red poppy centre could only be purchased if you took out a subscription to the newspaper.

Supplies of this 2015 $1 coin with a red poppy centre have now been released to dealers, no doubt the remainder after News limited had reached their final sales.
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Post by: Pabitra on May 12, 2015, 03:52:23 PM
Italy too remembers WW I
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Post by: Pabitra on May 12, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
Canada 2015 issues
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Post by: Pabitra on May 27, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
UK
Nurse Edith Cavell
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Post by: Pabitra on June 17, 2015, 06:35:18 AM
South Korea to issue 3 coins on Aug 12.
They commem 70th Ann of end of WW II as well its Liberation
Title: WW1 Coins in 2014? (and other war commems)
Post by: Bimat on September 27, 2015, 08:46:50 AM
Ireland €10 (2015): 70 Years of Peace in Europe.

(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa337/AdityaKulkarni3/Ireland_zpshyraleyf.jpg)

Aditya
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Post by: <k> on August 08, 2018, 12:56:44 AM
Interesting old topic. How about expanding it to 2018, anyone?