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Other tokens and medals => Other tokens used for payments => Tokens for operating machines => Topic started by: FosseWay on May 18, 2013, 05:03:58 PM

Title: PNA = PAN NORDIC AUTOMATER
Post by: FosseWay on May 18, 2013, 05:03:58 PM
Any ideas on this token or whatever it is?

It may have a Scandinavian connection, since mine was bought in Sweden and the only other one I've found on the web is one that was sold on Tradera in February.

Cupro-nickel, 22.5 mm, 5.09 g
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: Globetrotter on January 18, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
any confirmation?

ole
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: FosseWay on January 19, 2017, 07:46:45 AM
No, not as yet. I've come across others with PNO, which I think is Pan Nordic, but have no evidence of a connection.
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: Figleaf on January 19, 2017, 08:51:04 AM
The numbers are aligned, the letters are not. It looks like a generic token, numbered automatically with the letters punched in separately. A diameter of 22.5 mm would have been perfect for a Dutch coffee machine token, but why number those?

Peter
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: malj1 on January 19, 2017, 08:58:18 AM
The 3 is slightly askew too.
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: Figleaf on January 19, 2017, 09:02:19 AM
Th top of the 3 matches the style of the top of the one. The 1 looks too small, but that's also an optical illusion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Müller-Lyer_illusion).

Peter
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: malj1 on October 11, 2017, 03:22:26 AM
This one on Colnect (https://colnect.com/en/tokens/token/5207-PNA-Machine_Tokens-Germany_Federal_Republic) is very similar? as is the size and metal ...but they don't give any reason for selecting Germany as its origin.
Title: Re: Stumped...
Post by: Figleaf on October 11, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
Maybe they just mean "produced in Germany"? Even for that, I see no evidence.

Peter
Title: PNA = PAN NORDIC AUTOMATER
Post by: johnkooij on June 12, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
This is a coppernickel 22.5 mm token, reverse blanc. Who can tell me more about it?
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: malj1 on June 13, 2019, 12:41:50 AM
This is Pan Nordic Automater and listed in British machine tokens as Hayes 309A. Probably Swedish?

It is missing from my collection of these!
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: FosseWay on June 13, 2019, 07:50:34 AM
I think (am at work atm and can't check) that this is also listed in Norske Polletter, so it may be Norwegian. However a listing there, as in Hayes, simply means it's been used in Norway and it could still be Swedish. I can't find much online about Pan Nordic Automater; Google searches are frustrated by the existence of other similarly named organisations.

There are several PNA tokens.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: malj1 on June 13, 2019, 08:50:31 AM
I found this address:

PAN NORDIC AUTOMATION
P O Box 8
43040 Saro. Sweden

 here (https://archive.org/stream/cashbox36unse_6/cashbox36unse_6_djvu.txt) which says from 6 Part III — Coin Machines - Cash Box — July 6, 1974

I found the Cash Box magazine here (https://ia801206.us.archive.org/34/items/cashbox36unse_6/cashbox36unse_6.pdf) for July 1974  ...see 14 Part III Coin Machines.

Would  Automater mean something different to Automation?
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: FosseWay on June 13, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
That's very interesting, not least because Särö is about 5 km from me  ;D

The postcode 43040 no longer exists but the range of postcodes used in Särö is still in that ballpark (429xx).

Automation means the same in Swedish as in English - it is the act or process of making something automatic. Automater is the plural form of automat, the actual machine involved. Whether Pan Nordic Automater and Pan Nordic Automation are the same entity I don't know; Särö certainly strikes me as a strange place to have a large industrial concern, since it consists mainly of large detached houses and not commercial areas. But the financial HQ of an organisation need not be the same place as where its products are made or stored, of course.

I will see if I can dig further at Bolagsverket (equivalent of Companies House), since if the Särö organisation is the same as the token issuer, I need to add it to the material for the Halland tokens book we're working on at Gothenburg Numismatic Association.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: malj1 on June 13, 2019, 09:16:02 AM
I think the company may date from 1949 but unsure as I may have read the Swedish incorrectly and got the wrong end of the stick!
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: FosseWay on June 13, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
You've read the Swedish right if this page is anything to go by:

(http://runeberg.org/img/handkal/1971ink/0161.5.png)

(Handelskalender 1971)

This gives two companies with HQ at the same PO box in Särö as you found earlier - Pan Nordic Automation AB and Pan Nordic Operating AB. Elsewhere, in the publication Billboard (https://books.google.se/books?id=IkUEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA73&ots=sTqapYBFob&dq=%22pan%20nordic%20automation%22&hl=sv&pg=PA73#v=onepage&q&f=false), 1966-04-09, I've come across a Norwegian branch, Pan Nordic Automation A/S, with the same president as the Swedish sister company.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: FosseWay on June 13, 2019, 10:20:45 AM
The page from Handelskalender incidentally includes contact details for a number of other known token issuers, including Sanibox, Restaurangrouletter and more. This has the potential to be a major source for Scandi token attribution.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: malj1 on June 13, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
That's great news for your Scandi tokens. I immediately noticed Restaurang rouletter which I do have.

I see both Pan Nordic companies share the same telegraphic address and telephone number as well as the location.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: FosseWay on June 13, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
On that page alone, I have tokens from Bjuvex, Denco/Moccomat, Hansa, PNA, Restaurangrouletter, Sanibox and Sterners. It's entirely possible that some of the others also issued tokens that I don't know about.
Title: Re: Unidentified token PNA
Post by: malj1 on June 13, 2019, 01:25:16 PM
Here too is the entry from Hayes supplement 5 notes which I have just remembered.:

309A.(PNA) This token is of Swedish origin and stands for Pan Nordic Automater, issued C 1970 the firm closed in 1979. It is not known if the tokens were used in this country. (I.E. UK)
Title: Re: PNA = PAN NORDIC AUTOMATER
Post by: malj1 on June 25, 2019, 09:37:23 AM
merged another topic "Stumped" with this showing a very similar token.