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Title: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on March 22, 2013, 11:21:27 AM
MEDAL MADE OUT OF THE FIRST LOT OF BRITISH ALUMINIUM. CARGAN LARNE FOYERS MILTON JUNE 1896
Rev. female seated torch in hand. Machinery & aluminium ingots around. Power lines, factory and hills in background.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8578896861_34b5befd5b_m.jpg) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8578897061_7e368345b9_m.jpg)

MADE OUT OF THE FIRST LOT OF WEST HIGHLAND ALUMINIUM.
Rev. DE NACH DEAN AN T'UISGE, 'NUAIR A RINN E MISE.  = What water can not do, when it can make me. Hills and smelting plant in background. ex. kinlochleven.
 
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8579996730_17bf95ec17_m.jpg) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8579996934_8c349a47d0_m.jpg)

Both, needless to say, aluminium and 38mm.

The British Aluminium Co Ltd was formed on 7 May 1894, acquiring the British and colonial rights for the Bayer and HĂ©roult patents for alumina extraction and aluminium reduction.
Until the end of the 19th century, aluminium was still regarded as a precious metal, due to the difficulties experienced in its extraction. In the late 1880s and early 1890s, innovations in the extraction of alumina from ore (bauxite) and of converting this into aluminium by electrolysis had precipitated a drastic fall in the price of the metal.
British Aluminium Co commenced production of carbon at Greenock, Inverclyde, in 1897, and Kinlochleven, Highland, Scotland, from 1909.
source.
 (http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/British_Aluminium_Co)
At Kinlochleven, construction of the smelting works began in 1904 and was completed in 1909, but aluminium was produced in a temporary smelter in 1907. source (http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?/topic/25179-aluminium-medal-1907-kinlochleven-scotland-rrr/)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: bagerap on March 22, 2013, 12:43:20 PM
From 1908;
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on March 22, 2013, 01:19:07 PM
That is interesting. WITH THE COMPLIMENTS OF THE ALUMINIUM CORPORATION LTD 54, PARLIAMENT ST, LONDON S.W. reverse FRANCO-BRITISH EXHIBITION LONDON 1908 COURT OF HONOUR [from the BM notes] Aluminium 39mm.

Yet a notice later that year on pag (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28207/pages/9784/page.pdf)e 9784 of the Government Gazette of December 22nd, 1908 states that the company was in liquidation.

...too many free samples?

The British Museum have an example here (http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3265320&partid=1&output=Terms%2F!!%2FOR%2F!!%2F16802%2F!%2F%2F!%2Fexhibition+hall%2F!%2F%2F!!%2F%2F!!!%2F&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_collection_database%2Fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10)

Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: africancoins on March 22, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
>>FRANCO-BRITISH EXHIBITION LONDON 1908<<

A new programme on TV just now mentioned that the BBC Television Centre was built on the site where the Franco-British Exhibition of 1908 had been...  some tiling on the floor remaining from the time of the exhibtion was shown near Studio One and detailed as the last remains there from that period - the BBC have almost completed vacating the whole centre...

I have an old Aluminium related piece for Lochaber somewhere.

Thanks Mr Paul Baker
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on March 22, 2013, 11:27:31 PM
I have an old Aluminium related piece for Lochaber somewhere.
Thanks Mr Paul Baker

I hope you can look out the Lochaber piece and add it to the page.

I have another, a somewhat scruffy, WEBSTER'S PATENT ALUMINIUM METALS W.J.T. LONDON below HEAD OFFICE 34 St. MARY AXE LONDON, E.C. Aluminium 30mm.
(Another is known with 34 Leadenhall St. on the reverse.)

JAMES FERN WEBSTER (1821-1904) was pioneer in Aluminium Production, his patent can be seen here. (http://www.google.com/patents?id=qiVDAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false) A history was written by his grandson and can he seen here. (http://jfwebster.co.uk/Home/Aluminium.html)

A Standing Joke
Webster was very proud of his discoveries, but he lived in dread of spies, and it became a standing joke for his friends to greet him in German. Fearing that his secrets would be stolen, he took every precaution to keep strangers away from the factory and carried his secrets about with him. Efforts were, in fact, made by spies to obtain his formula and several times his factory was entered. He died at the age of 84 with his efforts unrecognised”.  Birmingham Sunday Mercury, 20 November 1938.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on March 22, 2013, 11:37:38 PM
Another variety of the WEBSTER'S PATENT token was recently seen on eBay with addresses in London and Birmingham. 63mm and presumably aluminium.
[Unfortunately the reverse is not now available.]
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on March 23, 2013, 04:27:01 AM
My WEBSTER'S PATENT token is shown again after a rather drastic cleaning method. The scratches caused by a previous owners attempt at cleaning stand out. the makers name W.J.T.London can now be seen clearly.

William Joseph Taylor was born in Birmingham in 1802. By the 1840s Taylor was established as a medallist and dealer. During his career he produced a considerable number of coins and tokens, mainly for export.  He set up a business as a die-sinker, medallist and engraver in London in 1829. The business was first housed at 5 Porter Street, Soho, London, then at 3 Lichfield Street, Birmingham. In 1843 it moved to 33 Little Queen Street and finally to 70 Red Lion Street in 1869, where Taylor died in 1885.  After his death Taylor's sons Theophilus (left the business in 1892) and Herbert took over the business which operated until c. 1908.

On another forum (http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?/topic/33121-the-aluminium-crown-metal-co-token-circa-1885/) "constanius" mentions he thinks it is a composition of something like aluminium and German silver/nickel silver; I agree as it is too heavy for aluminium alone. [I shall weigh when my batteries are recharged]
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on April 30, 2013, 01:09:22 AM
Another aluminium pioneers piece added;
H McLELLAN & Co, 37 HADDINGTON PLACE, AND 32 SOUTH BRIDGE, EDINBURGH / WE ARE THE PIONEERS OF ALUMINIUM IN SCOTLAND, 25mm.

I have yet to find any information about this elusive company.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on June 14, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
(http://constanius.com/img/1141-horz_zps5b735925.jpg)
Obv. WEBSTER'S PATENT ALUMINIUM METALS * below a tiny W.J.T. LONDON / TRADE (A phoenix rising from a flaming crucible) MARK
Rev. HEAD OFFICE 34 LEADENHALL St. LONDON, E.C.
30mm by William Joseph Taylor for James Webster's Aluminium Crown Metal Co.

(http://constanius.com/img/2850a.jpg)
The Company was formed in 1894, the same year that this unlisted medal is dated.  The 1896 medal using a similar design is BHM#3498 and is listed as RR.

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on June 14, 2014, 01:48:51 AM
I take it that "The 1896 medal using a similar design is BHM#3498 and is listed as RR." refers to the piece at the start of the thread? I have seen another for sale recently.

Good to see the Webster piece bearing the Leadenhall St address that I have been looking for.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on June 14, 2014, 03:37:47 AM
I take it that "The 1896 medal using a similar design is BHM#3498 and is listed as RR." refers to the piece at the start of the thread? I have seen another for sale recently.

Yes, that is the one :)

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on June 14, 2014, 03:43:05 AM
I also have the second one in the thread, the 1907 Kinlocheven, that is BHM#3951 RRR.

(http://constanius.com/img/2778.jpg)

We obviously have similar tastes, as far as medals go :)

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on August 09, 2014, 03:08:59 AM

We obviously have similar tastes, as far as medals go :)

Pat

Yes!  8)  I have now got a poorer example of the 1894 type. A faceless woman unfortunately and the telephone? line is indistinct.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: Figleaf on August 09, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
I would suggest that they are electricity cables. Aluminium smelting requires loads of electricity.

Peter
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on September 07, 2014, 02:21:07 AM
(http://constanius.com/img/3031.jpg)

This is interesting, brought over eBay(did not read all the blurb), what sold me on it at first sight was the condition but then on a second look the variation in the '3' made it a must have. 

Taking the photos I had a very pleasant surprise.......apart from the raised edge & beading.....all the reverse was all incused!   

I looked at the sellers listing again, and he had stated that fact, but it was not apparent from his picture.  When you first see the picture above it does look incused but quickly the letters looked raised, try looking away for a few seconds then look again, it should appear incused for a second or two.


Try this link
 http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn21/constanius/DSCF3044.jpg   (http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn21/constanius/DSCF3044.jpg)

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on September 07, 2014, 03:05:32 AM
What a fantastic find, you would have had stiff competition if I had seen this!

I can see it is incuse on the reverse. Rather an odd looking 3 almost as if it is inverted.

I notice too that the ornament is quite different, my piece has a pair of horizontal diamonds and square dots are used instead for the punctuation.

This made me look again at the Leadenhall St piece to see quite different ornamentation and this time along with the square dots it also has a square comma.

The same obverse die appears to have been used throughout and all are signed W.J.T. London for William Joseph Taylor.

Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on September 07, 2014, 05:13:38 AM
I can see it is incuse on the reverse. Rather an odd looking 3 almost as if it is inverted.

All the letters & the ornamentation are inverted/incused.

(http://constanius.com/img/3050.jpg)
I guess I was luck that you did not see this on eBay :)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on September 07, 2014, 06:52:08 AM
By inverted I had meant like this 3 below.   :) 

...I have chosen a more exaggerated example.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on September 07, 2014, 08:15:29 PM
At least it made me post the extra pics, silly me!

Pat



Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on September 08, 2014, 01:34:37 AM
I like the extra pics anyway, these certainly show the incused lettering.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on September 18, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
I came across more details in Mitchiner Vol.4 Jetons, Medalets and Tokens while reading about Henry Grueber.

A bit of a fight to scan a large volume ...but its readable.   8)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on September 18, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Great info & pictures Malcolm, worth your effort :)

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on November 10, 2014, 06:11:48 AM
I have just acquired a rather nice example of the 34 Leadenhall St piece.

I see I made a promise to weigh one; this is 11.5g.  ;) 30.1mm.

Rather oddly this appears to have a countersunk screw-head next to the 'U' with the [raised] slot from 5 o'clock to 11 o'clock.  ???
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: constanius on November 10, 2014, 04:23:28 PM
Congrats on the nice exaple :)

At least it appears the token has been screwed, not you!

No idea what it is, most strange.

Pat
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd
Post by: malj1 on May 30, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
I came across an advert for The British Aluminium Co Ltd while seeking other information.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on February 07, 2017, 12:55:46 PM
Another Webster's patent in lousy condition with a brooch mount - but it had to be bought as this one from Manchester!

ELLIOTT EDMINSON & OLNEY MANCHESTER

It appears they were Ironmongers. ...Illustrated catalogue on application.  ::)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: constanius on February 07, 2017, 04:48:14 PM
A great find.  Is it a deliberate struck medal, an accidental mule or an overstrike, I wonder.

This helps with the date
(http://constanius.com/img/1888sept.jpg)

Sept. I.1888.    https://books.google.ca/books?id=UAhKAQAAMAAJ&dq=ELLIOTT,+EDMiNSON,+%26+OLNEY&source=gbs_navlinks_s    (https://books.google.ca/books?id=UAhKAQAAMAAJ&dq=ELLIOTT,+EDMiNSON,+%26+OLNEY&source=gbs_navlinks_s)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on February 07, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Possibly ELLIOTT EDMINSON & OLNEY could have been involved in the manufacture or distribution of cutlery using this patented metal.

I have another series of tokens here (https://sites.google.com/site/malsotherprojects/mystery) that I have never been able to satisfactorily explain. W. B. Andrews & Co. Dudley England Arguroid Silver Registered WM 30mm. Various reverses are 6d, 1/-, 2/- and 2/6 all with the numbers 1 to 4 included. These are seen more often in Australia and New Zealand rather than England although very scarce here too. The use of 'England' on the token implies it was for use in the colonies. Apparently this arguroid silver was used for cutlery.

Your link above doesn't open the correct page for me....
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: Figleaf on February 07, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
See this thread (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=14022.0).

Peter
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on February 07, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
I was just about to add that link!  ;D
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: tamsvt1 on March 04, 2018, 11:19:12 PM
Possibly ELLIOTT EDMINSON & OLNEY could have been involved in the manufacture or distribution of cutlery using this patented metal.

I have another series of tokens here (https://sites.google.com/site/malsotherprojects/mystery) that I have never been able to satisfactorily explain. W. B. Andrews & Co. Dudley England Arguroid Silver Registered WM 30mm. Various reverses are 6d, 1/-, 2/- and 2/6 all with the numbers 1 to 4 included. These are seen more often in Australia and New Zealand rather than England although
very scarce here too. The use of 'England' on the token implies it was for use in the colonies. Apparently this arguroid silver was used for cutlery.

Mal, I recently picked up a similar token from a collector in Italy.  The denomination is  2 1/6.    Did you ever find any more information on these tokens ?    Thanks,  Pete
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on March 04, 2018, 11:34:57 PM
No I am no further forward with this question but always hoping to find more information. I do now have a 1 1/6

Did you see this page (https://sites.google.com/site/malsotherprojects/mystery) ???  (click on this page)
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: tamsvt1 on March 04, 2018, 11:44:47 PM
OK, thanks for the update.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: The British Aluminium Co Ltd (note also includes WEBSTER'S PATENT)
Post by: malj1 on May 09, 2018, 08:48:34 AM
Another large aluminium piece, 47.77mm, commemorating the first ingots of Lochabar Aluminium produced by the The British Aluminium Co Ltd 30th December 1929