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Ancient coins => Indian subcontinent: Ancient & Pre-sultanate => Topic started by: capnbirdseye on March 07, 2013, 05:08:36 PM

Title: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: capnbirdseye on March 07, 2013, 05:08:36 PM
This coin has a sprue which indicates it's a cast coin , Obv Elephant & rev Ujjain symbol?

2.38g
Title: Re: cast coin with elephant & symbol
Post by: Abhay on March 07, 2013, 05:42:27 PM
Kaushambi region, Mauryan Copper ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC), 3.02g, an Elephant looking left, three arched hill on rev., a pair of coins joined together during the casting process (Mitch ATEC 4571). Very Fine, Extremely Rare.

From Todywalla Website.

Abhay
Title: Re: cast coin with elephant & symbol
Post by: capnbirdseye on March 07, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Thank you Abhay, I never did get this coin identified for all the years I owned it
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: mitresh on March 09, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
Happy to inform I own the coin listed by Abhay
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: birder on March 25, 2013, 05:06:38 AM
Thanks for guiding me to this page. I also have a similar coin.
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: mitresh on March 25, 2013, 06:07:49 AM
Wonderful specimen. Very clear elephant and chaitya (stupa) symbol.
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: birder on April 06, 2013, 06:38:19 PM
Thank You Sir.
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: DarshanBaweja on April 27, 2013, 04:47:15 AM
Thank You Sir ji
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: ChrisHagen on July 01, 2013, 04:37:16 PM
Hello,
I also want to share my coin.
I is not a very nice elephant, but the three-arched hill is very strong and well-centered.

The seller did not clean the coin very well. I hope the orange areas will re-tone to a pleasing brown, but I doubt it.

(http://i.imgur.com/iT3W59n.jpg)
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: Figleaf on July 02, 2013, 02:00:57 AM
Try keeping it in olive oil (no additives) for a month or so.

Peter
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: ChrisHagen on July 02, 2013, 03:36:32 AM
Quote from: Figleaf on July 02, 2013, 02:00:57 AM
Try keeping it in olive oil (no additives) for a month or so.

Peter
Was this directed at me? I definitely will! Should end up quite nice, I hope. There's a lot of dirt on it.
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: Figleaf on July 02, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
It was. As a bonus, the olive oil should solve or soften the dirt. Attack dirt with a wooden toothpick after the oil bath.

Olive oil is slightly acid. Producing regions in the East of the Mediterranean (Greece!) are the least acid, those in the West (Spain) the most acid. An Italian brand name on the label says nothing about where the oil was produced. Bertolli uses Spanish oil. Anyway, the acidity is low enough not to be harmful to copper (but beware of additives.) I wouldn't recommend a month in oil for a silver coin.

Peter
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: cmerc on July 02, 2013, 10:08:44 PM
Here's a picture of my coin of this type (MACW 4366-4370).  Nowhere as great as the specimens discussed earlier in this thread.  ~1.9 grams. 
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: Quant.Geek on July 03, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
I think I will join this bandwagon as well, can't let you guys have all the fun  ;D

Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: ChrisHagen on July 03, 2013, 03:02:37 AM
It seems that the defining feature of a "great" specimen of one of these coins is a well-struck elephant done by an experienced engraver. Most coins seem to have a nice three-arched hill, but few coins have an easily identifiable elephant.
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: Quant.Geek on July 09, 2013, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: ChrisHagen on July 03, 2013, 03:02:37 AM
It seems that the defining feature of a "great" specimen of one of these coins is a well-struck elephant done by an experienced engraver. Most coins seem to have a nice three-arched hill, but few coins have an easily identifiable elephant.

I am not that convinced that the engravers made such an unidentifiable elephant.  The elephant is enormously important and hence care must have been taken when cutting the dies.  It seems to me that it *might* be the joining of another animal on the left, especially with leg-like attributes on the left...
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: ChrisHagen on July 11, 2013, 12:55:25 AM
Aha! That is an interesting theory. What would be most likely? A horse, a bull, or another animal?
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: ChrisHagen on November 02, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
I made this in ten seconds so excuse the horrible mspaintjob. This is what I have started to see. NO ELEPHANT ON THE COIN :D
Title: Re: Mauryan, Kaushambi region, cast ½ Kakani (c. 300-200 BC) elephant
Post by: cmerc on November 02, 2013, 10:57:56 PM
These were cast.  Casting flaws are common.  Great imagination though!!