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Design and designing => Coin characteristics => Topic started by: <k> on December 02, 2011, 01:18:19 AM

Title: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 02, 2011, 01:18:19 AM
I noticed a curious thing while looking at some Ugandan coins: throughout its three series of circulation coins, Uganda has consistently placed the denomination on both obverse and reverse of its coins, often in different forms: all words; numeral + word; or just numeral.

You may know that our site owner, Figleaf, believes that coins with denominations in words are "feudalistic", and that all modern coins should use numerals. Now suppose he picks up a Ugandan coin, sees the numerals on one side, turns it over, then sees all words on the other side. Immediately he will think that he has been transported back to feudal times, and he will fly into a panic. Fortunately, his mother keeps his straitjacket handy for just such an occasion, but sometimes she has to call the police to help her put it on him.



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Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 02, 2011, 01:19:15 AM
Jersey's two pound coin also has a latent image of the denomination on the reverse.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19864.0;attach=73063;image)

 
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: brokencompass on December 02, 2011, 05:33:52 AM
Love the Uganda coins! Love the character they exhibit. The 20 Cent piece looks very similar to British East Africa coins. Did British East Africa become Uganda?
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: FosseWay on December 02, 2011, 07:24:12 AM
Love the Uganda coins! Love the character they exhibit. The 20 Cent piece looks very similar to British East Africa coins. Did British East Africa become Uganda?

At independence, British East Africa split into Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania (which is why all three still use the shilling as their monetary unit). Tanzania was formed when Tanganyika (formerly German East Africa) and Zanzibar merged.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Figleaf on December 02, 2011, 10:33:07 AM
The trouble with the florins of Deventer was that no one took them seriously. This Dutch mint was starved for work as the federal government tried to close the small mints with medieval minting rights granted by the German emperor. It must have been a tortuous-thinking lawyer who came up with the solution: if we can't strike Dutch coins, let's strike German coins.

They called it a florin and said it was worth 28 stuiver, but it was lightweight both in the Holy Roman Empire and in the Republic. What saved the issue was a "silver hunger" in Germany, that made any coin, especially large silver coins, aceptable in trade. It took a war in 1672 to close the legal loophole. Curiously, the English long thought that florin was another word for gulden. An indication of which ignorant foreigners the lightweight coins were unloaded on?

In their fear that the coin would not be accepted, the good people of Deventer imitated two German designs, both of which carried the value 28 (stuivers). On one side it is in the orb, on the other in a cartouche below the shield.

Peter
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Figleaf on December 02, 2011, 10:50:38 AM
And just in case coffeetime will tell me again coins were invented in 1900 and older ones therefore don't count :), here's a modern Dutch coin with the denomination (and date) on both sides. Easy to figure out the why of this coin.

Peter
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: izotz on December 02, 2011, 01:54:42 PM
Austria, 1, 2 and 5 cents.

(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img6/11-1c02.jpg)

(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img6/11-2c02.jpg)

(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img6/11-5c02.jpg)
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: izotz on December 02, 2011, 01:59:07 PM
Greece, 2 euros 2004. KM#209.

(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img12/77-2e04.jpg)
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on December 02, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
Bangladesh 1 and 2 Taka issued in 2010 (Bangbandhu on the obverse) has denomination on both sides.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 02, 2011, 04:20:43 PM
And just in case coffeetime will tell me again coins were invented in 1900 and older ones therefore don't count

Peter

No, I don't hold to that: look at some of the beautiful older coins I posted here: The Origins of Thematics (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,7097.0.html) and here: Wreaths and Sprays on Coins (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,11147.0.html). I regard any legally authorised coin as a coin, whether minted for ornament or for actual use - what was good enough for the ancients is good enough for me.  Admittedly I do specialise in modern coins: some people like anything, but I like to practise a little discernment.  8) Though if all modern designs were as poor as the Dutch one you show us, which a semi-trained chimpanzee could have managed, then I would definitely have turned to the ancients, since that design makes even the infamous British "designer" Matthew Dent look hugely talented.  ;D
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Bimat on December 02, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
Indian bimetallic tenner showing cross (yes, THAT controversial coin ;D) shows denomination on both sides, in numerals on obverse and in text on reverse).

Aditya
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: andyg on December 03, 2011, 10:06:06 AM
which a semi-trained chimpanzee could have managed, then I would definitely have turned to the ancients, since that design makes even the infamous British "designer" Matthew Dent look hugely talented.  ;D

You know, I actually prefer the work of the semi-trained chimpanzee....
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: izotz on December 04, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
I forgot about these :
Greece 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 cents, 1 and 2 euros.

(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-1c02.jpg)
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(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-5c02.jpg)
(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-10c02.jpg)
(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-20c02.jpg)
(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-50c02.jpg)
(http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img4/77-1e02.jpg)
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Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Bimat on December 04, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
Rwanda 100 Francs.

(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa337/AdityaKulkarni3/R1.jpg?t=1294053163)
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Aditya
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 01, 2012, 03:16:51 AM
Austria, 10 Groschen, 1994.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16141.0;attach=29744;image)
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 02, 2012, 12:17:45 PM
The Indonesian circulation coins of 1970 to 1973 all show the denomination on both sides. Later series do not.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Bimat on December 03, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
Austria, 1, 2 and 5 cents.

In fact, all the 8 denominations from Austria (1c-€2) have value on both sides. :)

Aditya
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 03, 2012, 03:29:49 PM
The Icelandic series (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,14175.0.html) that was introduced in 1981 shows the denomination in words on one side and in numerals on the other.



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Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 03, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
Like Iceland, Cuba gives its denominations in words on the obverse and in numerals on the reverse. Strangely, those numerals are Roman numerals.

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19040.0;attach=29855;image)
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 03, 2012, 11:09:33 PM
The late and much lamented pre-euro set of Slovenia showed the denomination on both sides. The reverse showed numerals only, but the obverse showed the numerals and the denomination in words.

In the attached examples:

"PETDESET TOLARJEV" = 50 tolar (1 tolar = 100 stotinov)
"DESET STOTINOV" = 10 stotinov
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 04, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
The Democratic Republic of Congo's 10 sengi, 1 likuta and 5 makuta coins of 1967 all had the denomination on both sides.



(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23338.0;attach=88699;image)



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Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 04, 2012, 12:41:59 AM
And the 1, 5 and 10 Zaires of 1987 all follow the same pattern: the denomination appears in numerals on side, words on the other.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Prosit on December 04, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
A few coins from East Africa fit the description.
10 Cents for one.

Dale
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: chrisild on December 04, 2012, 03:05:27 AM
In fact, all the 8 denominations from Austria (1c-€2) have value on both sides. :)

Don't mention the evil "euro" word too often. See <k>'s comments yesterday, about "the late and much lamented pre-euro set of Slovenia" and "Sadly Slovenia joined the euro zone in recent years" ... ;D  But maybe it's OK to bring the E-word up in the context of Austria. Actually, today it would be a violation of European law if you repeat the face value on the country specific side. (Exception: different character set.) But the transition period ends in 2060 or so, hehe.

Side note: The €2 coins of some member states indicate the face value on the "third side" too - on the edge.

Christian
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: Bimat on December 04, 2012, 07:25:21 AM
Side note: The €2 coins of some member states indicate the face value on the "third side" too - on the edge.

Good point, Christian! You have just given yet another idea to <k> for a new thematic topic: Coins having denomination on edge. Difficult to photograph though. ;)

Aditya
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: milkshakespeare on December 04, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
The current 1, 2, 5 and 10 rouble coins of the Bank of Russia also have denomination on both sides. In words on the obverse and with numerals on the reverse.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 05, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39617.0;attach=89765;image)

Malawi, 1 penny, 1967.

 
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on December 07, 2012, 06:30:15 PM
The Sierra Leone 1996 set fits the bill. It seems a long time since that country had its own circulation coins.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: <k> on January 19, 2013, 01:43:26 PM
Modern Russian coins that show the denomination on both sides.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: izotz on December 03, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Spain, Alfonso XIII, 50 céntimos, 1926.
Some people find this one interesting. Regardless the fact that its value is on both sides ("cincuenta céntimos" = "50 céntimos"), in the obverse, we can't find the usual "por la Gracia de Dios" = D.G. = Dei Gratia, the date is on the reverso, and we can't see a second date engraved within the stars, as in some other Spanish coins.
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5496/dpk8.jpg)
This image is taken from the magazine "El Eco Numismático y Filatélico" from July,  2013.
Title: Re: Coins with the denomination on both sides
Post by: dheer on January 23, 2017, 03:00:00 PM
India Definitive 2004 to 2007; Unity in Diversity Design

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